GrosslyIncandescent1709
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buff every prime frames speed by 11%... speed is always nice and according to a large part of the forums it's nothing gamebreaking.
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it does damage to chargers, not runners. and it does 500 basedamage w/o mods
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Making powers a default for every warframe would be either A: Overkill cause you get 10 modslots or B: limit some frames severely when taking away those 4 former powerslots. Some frames simply need extensive modding and don't even posses 4 worthwhile abilities, their abilities need way to much mods to work just as good as other abilities. Examples would be Embers world of fire, you need range, strength and duration, and probably efficiency if you want to use it effectively. Now look at frames like Nova, her antimatter drop performs well with range and efficiency, molecular prime performs well as a debuff even without power strength and her wormhole is still useable even with a short duration, only her first skill suffers. As long as a frame is limited severely by keeping abilities it's a bad idea, i have to disagree with making all 4 powers a default.
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bump because this is important
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Rhino abilities are fine.
It is only the speed issue that Rhino Prime has.
Yes, I bold Rhino Prime, NOT Rhino.
Either nerf Vanguard to 15% and bump up Hemlok to 15% (and Rhino Prime still as fast as Ash, regular Rhino will be close in Nekros speed which is 1.1 iirc) as well or reduce Rhino Prime's base sprint speed to 0.95 (and he will beat Ash by a little) and bump up Hemlok to 25%.
Cmon that is all is needed.
QFT
finally some1 comprehending the major differences between, slow,fast and fastest. have my upvote
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exchange flow with roar, take a rank 2 blind rage and max fleeting expertise/streamline. use roar before you use stomp to buff your damage. the trick behing this is that roar may be short with this build, but long enough to use your stomp. roar buffs your damage by 76% with the mods describe while you're keeping a maxed efficiency, your stomp is hitting for 2140 damage with roar active for a collective cost of 44 energy. maximizing powerstrength without roar would do 1792 damage on stomp while using 65 energy. with maxed power efficiency you're also getting the most iron skin out of your energy and energy pickups are netting you more effective skill usages. also, when using stomp for cc, you don't need to use roar, saving you another 19 energy, stunning the whole room for a mere 25 energy. those stats slightly change when you're not using vanguard, but i assume you're using it. also take redirection and rush or a defensive mod of your choice, maybe even something like equilibirum, you could even use masterthief. here's a link: http://goo.gl/BMtQRd
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i prefer my greedy milk with loki charms
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loki doesn't require more skill than rhino or nova, just a little more attention due to his low hitpoints. he's definitely an asset in endless modes. to be honest, right now nothing in warframe requires skill, it's a game about numbers. know your numbers and how to build your frame and you will always succeed until the enemies outscale you.
PS: loki is my starter and my most played frame right now
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I like these ideas, especially the heavier footstep sounds for the Rhino, but I'm still irked by the fact that Rhino has 190 armor with all that massive plating and Valkyr has 600 after having all of its original plating removed, all that bulk is just for show.
Edit: To clarify, I do not wish to begin a discussion over balance, simply that the above is an odd quirk for me to deal with in-game.
all those shield generators need some space, and then there's another layer of armor. valkyr is carrying almost no shield generators at all and her armor might be of higher quality. that's at least how i'd explain it
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i agree in general with nerfing the ammo pools of some weapons, but buffed ammo pools won't make bad weapons useable, a gorgon will run out of ammo even with a 1k ammo pool. if they go down that route they need to change the amount of ammo you pick up for each weapon too, gorgon/supra for example could pick up 100% more ammo to keep your ammo pool up in the long run. penta on the other hand could end up having 20% effective ammo pickup, resulting in 4 ammo per pickup. could even be a new stat, call it ammo efficiency and make it a multiplier visible in the ui.
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Another thing; Rhino is conditioned to move in his heavier Warframe. There's no reason he should be that much slower than the rest. Slower acceleration, perhaps, but not top speed.
sounds reasonable, but weight should also have an effect on how much stamina running uses then. the idea would bring another meaning to weight, and would even make marathon worthwhile for a fast but heavy rhino for example; you want to keep that speed once you got enough momentum. you could go even farther by allowing frames to tackle enemies with effects depending on speed/weight and probably armor, would make rhinos 1 kind of redundant but would certainly be a funny thing to see, one of those rhinos charging through masses of infested
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iron skin should cap every damage you take to a specific number, lets say 40, for a duration x, making rhino effective at tanking regardless of enemy level. also fix the vanguard helm and leave rhino primes sprint speed at 1.0
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It's just a metaphoric comparison.
it's a not, it's a bad ad hominem
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Zarozian: Why are you defending Rhino Prime's runspeed that much? Why are you not able to understand that Rhino is classified as a Tank? Why are you not understand that a warframe with so great tools like Rhino should need a drawback?
I really cant understand your opinion - really.
rhino prime still wouldn't be slow with vanguard and 0.9 basespeed. the sad thing is, bringing rhino prime in line with rhino would fix the vanguard+rhino prime problem but would punish the people using the prime helmet or thrak.
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So this is what this "rhino prime is fine" garbage is really about.
Just because there is a major inbalance in favor of yourself, you think it's fine.
-1 for you (and the rhinoe prime is fine crowd)
EDIT: i'm done arguing with you, i know that you are not willing to make a compromise, all you care about is your favorite frame. have a nice day
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around 0:19-0:22 on both videos. it's even in their official warframe describtion. and capslock doesn't make the things you write right.
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Loki's area is being fast. But not the fastest.
it is, he's the counterpart to rhino, lowest hitpoints and fastest speed versus highest hitpoints and lowest speed... that's different now tho
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i'm tired of arguing, you don't want to understand it i guess. also, stack up 75% effective power efficiency, grants you 32 seconds stun for 100 energy used, without a target cap. you can increase the cc duration of his stomp by decreasing the power used and therefore the amount of stomps you can use.
because we're not trying to make a warframe better than another one in its area.
one of loki's areas is being fast for now, you know. still rhino prime is just as good as him at that while being better at even more things.
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As for Rhino Prime with Vanguard being as fast as Loki.
Why exactly is that a problem?
rhino prime is more durable than loki and his skills serve another purpose but are about on par. the amount of things loki trades for his speed is higher than the amount of things rhino prime trades for his speed, it's overall hitpoints for loki while it's -5% powerstrength (calculated of basepower) for rhino prime
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The amount of people who think this is okay is to damn high.
The amount of people SUPPORTING this is way to @(*()$ high.
The amount of stupidity here, is way to @(*()$ high.
If you think this is okay, you really shouldn't be giving feedback about a game.
i wouldn't say it like that but i respect your bland honesty
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Would you still use that^ statement to argue with me, if they come out with a speed based warframe which is far faster than Rhino Prime and Loki?
Would you still complain about Rhino Prime being the fastest then?
Is it that hard for you to understand that Rhino isn't the fastest and neither is Loki? Since speed isn't a necessity for both warframes to complete their roles?
It only makes it more fun.
Now why exactly is it a problem?
speed isn't necessarily important to complete their rules, but it grants them advantages over other frames. loki trades durability for it while rhino trades nothing for it. and right now rhino prime and loki are tied for the fastest frame, things not implemented yet are not really something to base an argument on.
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Mind telling me where Rhino's strengths are?
Also Vauban lacks draw backs because his abilities make up for it no?
rhino has 150 baseshields and 100 basehealth along with 190 armor which results in 38,8% damage mitigation- his running speed is at 1,25 with the vanguard helmet at the price of 5% powerstrength (additive malus). he got a skill to absorb damage which grants immunity to cc. he got the best allround damage buff in the game. he got an average cc skill, freezing entire rooms for 8 seconds, unaffected by power duration. his stats are strong and you need to press 2 when iron skin is down and 4 when you're overwhelmed. press 3 if built in when you got spare energy. you don't need to put thought into it.
vauban has 75 baseshields and 100 basehealth. his helmets suck. his running speed is at 1,0. vaubans abilities make up for his weak stats, but only if you put some thought into using them.
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How about Vanguards? Since we're like. Fast now and we can come and save everyone's sorry &#!.
Like out here on the forums, they're all like: "BOOO! RHINO SUUUCKS! RHINO CAN'T BE FAST! ONLY MASTER RACE SHOULD BE FAST!"
i start to get tired of repeating myself: there's not just slowest and fastest, there's something in between. you can have a fast rhino but not rhino being the fastest, it's not reasonable. is that so hard to understand?
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No. Those who argue that tanks are supposed to be slow, are just brain-washed and believe in stereotypes; like all asians are smart, and all black people like rap, and all hispanics love rice and beans, and all white people are greedy and generally self-involved.
You are just closed-minded to new things that are out of what you would consider normal.
Do you have a problem with something that you would consider a tank, but in reality is something entirely new and different?
it's funny how you can know whether i'm full of prejudices just because i disagree with some1. i'm not closed-minded at all, i'm not saying tanks should be slow, i'm just saying they shouldn't be the fastest. there's more than 2 options, no just fastest and slowest, but you fail to comprehend that.
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yet frost is slow while rhino is not... the people responsible for balancing are just preferring some frames over others, it's sad but it's true