Nimogrea

Again though why is it fine if the two of them can easily and quickly give out overguard *while doing damage and possibly armor stripping*, but when dante just gives overguard it's too much? Is it the damage on his other abilities? Because while his damage is good it's really not top tier.

Frost and styanax do damage while they throw out their overguard though, and they can both do it quite quickly as well. I don't understand this line of reasoning. Are frames not allowed to be defensive and offensive? Or are we not allowed to do support and damaging abilities in the same warframe? Aren't those the hallmarks of good frames?

Mate, what part of "unprimed" do you not understand? I fully understand that dante can clear rooms that he's primed with his 3 in steel path. That's not the issue, the thing that people keep saying is that he can stand in one spot and spam his 4 killing entire maps out of his LoS which isn't the case unless you're only doing hydron. The game shouldn't be balanced around hydron levels. This hot fix was rushed because they implemented a change to a brand new warframe with practically zero data to backup the need for said nerf. If people were playing him during his launch week it's because he was new and exciting and easy to get from a fun game mode that just got tweaked.

Is volt OP then? He can erase hydron with the press of his 4 aswell. Just because something can clear low level enemies easily does not mean that it's op. Tragedy does poor damage outside of primed targets, to the point that if they're over level 50ish it's not really going to kill them.

That's crazy, do you have a video of this?

Overtuned in what regard? For what levels of content? There over a dozen frames that can just nuke star chart missions. He does *fine* on steel path, but he is absolutely not in the top end of power that's already available in the game. If you meant damage then there are *plenty* of frames that just do more damage with less input. If you're worried about the overguard, then you should be worried about frost and styanax too. They both give large amounts of overguard while doing other things with their respective abilities.

I'm going to be honest here, this level of nerf after less than a week really makes me not want to play the game. It gives me less confidence in your releases going forward. He wasn't best in class in nuking ability, he wasn't best in class in support, but he felt *good* to play. Inserting LoS on his 4 makes the whole ability just feel bad. The game is fast paced at it's core, and now all of a sudden the corner of a box is now blocking multiple of the targets you just primed with tragedy so you didn't kill them. This wasn't a thought out change, you should roll back this "tweak" and go back to the drawing board. This *also* doesn't address the biggest thing that people were complaining about with dante in his overguard. I also don't understand nerfing him with fear of him being dominant, you released this warframe so that people would do the content, farm him, and then do him. He was fun so he saw a higher amount of activity, but 1 week is *not* enough time to determine if he's dominant.