Ember Bad even with the ARB +300%

[000l000]

Le 17/10/2018 à 17:56, MickThejaguar a dit :

You don't need Ember for an Ignis to shred through someone. The dependence on meta weapons to perform well speaks volumes of her current state.

Are you aware you can still add fire to any weapon thanks to mods ? Ignis only benefits from base fire damage, any fire damage is buffed by accelerant. -_-

[000l000]

Il y a 19 heures, ShortCat a dit :

Even if fire procs would stack, I do not see me using #1 or #3 to stack them. Energy is better spent on #4 with its supperior damage and auto-function or on #2 for massive debuff; time is better spent just shooting enemies with a weapon. Ember's skills compete with each other and weapons for fire procs or damage. 3 abilities with similar effects is the definition of redundance; just one with a reliable functionality is enough. This would make room for new skills, which could expand available options in contrast to her current one-dimensional design.

That's what you don't quite understand even if some players keep saying it. Using WoF is no excuse to NOT use her first or third ability. I use ALL of her abilities at once, even her fireball is nice to make enemies stack in one place while doing anything else. Stack her 3 and you'll get insane additional fire damage, plus a really efficient stationary lingering fire.

WoF only sucks really bad, what makes Ember really a blast is all of her kit, sure you'll need efficiency but she's perfectly manageable with less power/range. If you want to blast everything in sight she's not the right frame though, some are way better at long range than her, and she has never been designed to snipe with her powers anyway.

Edited October 19, 2018 by 000l000

[(PSN)CoolD2108]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb 000l000:

That's what you don't quite understand even if some players keep saying it. Using WoF is no excuse to NOT use her first or third ability. I use ALL of her abilities at once, even her fireball is nice to make enemies stack in one place while doing anything else. Stack her 3 and you'll get insane additional fire damage, plus a really efficient stationary lingering fire.

WoF only sucks really bad, what makes Ember really a blast is all of her kit, sure you'll need efficiency but she's perfectly manageable with less power/range. If you want to blast everything in sight she's not the right frame though, some are way better at long range than her, and she has never been designed to snipe with her powers anyway.

Not exactly her fault eather. That's an issue with damage 2.0. so it's kinda pointless to try and blame it onto her.

Nezha got the same issue, so does anyone who's got fire on both theyr primary/secondary and quick-melee weapon or who's occupying others with it.

That topic may as well get its own thread in the generall section of the forum and honestly doesn't have much to do with embers kit.

[ShortCat]

3 hours ago, 000l000 said:

That's what you don't quite understand even if some players keep saying it. Using WoF is no excuse to NOT use her first or third ability. I use ALL of her abilities at once, even her fireball is nice to make enemies stack in one place while doing anything else.

Why should I use those? For lousy damage? With WoF and weapon usage, all enemies in my vacinity are either dead or already on fire, so all Fireball or Fireblast do is 400 and 200 fire damage respetively. Why do I want to hold someone in place, when I can just murder them with another ability? Leave Star Chart first, then we can talk.

3 hours ago, 000l000 said:

Stack her 3 and you'll get insane additional fire damage, plus a really efficient stationary lingering fire.

Fireblast is not affected py PS, thus you add only 50% damage for 75 base energy. Now, with my 216% PS (FA)Accelerant build I can add 108% fire damage, to everyone for 30sec and not limit the battlefield to a specific location on top of longer duration. Already, 1 cast of Accelerant is better than 2 casts of Fireblast and I save 100 base energy. Additionally, I add 5.4 damage multiplier. Your strategy sounds really nice on paper, but did you actually try it or saw people use it? I doubt.

[Arcira]

16 hours ago, (PS4)CoolD2108 said:

You are neather using it's "damage potential" or any status aspect via auguments so that's that really.

Ember is pretty much in the same league he is, with a bigger focus towards active Cc rather then pure basestats. One that can easily be a strong supporter too or a choice to take care of anything from low to high levels with ease so what is it we really gonna blame her for? That she isn't a pure tank or a pure damager? Can't we have jack-of-all-trades kinda frames without everyone loosing theyr minds about how specialised frames are better in theyr nieche? Your inaros doesn't Cc, damage or buff for everyone, does he?

Let me give you a quick run down what types of missions are important at the moment:

 

Sortie -  A lot of conditions and bosses render abilities weak/useless.

Arbitrations - Drones and Enemies around are immune to all of your ability damage and cc which makes Ember litterally defenseless until you kill them. Also they reward endurance runs with including level scaling. Not really her strength.

Eidolon (hunt) - Absolutely useless.

Eidolon (Bounty) - Large open areas are definitively a disadvantage for all of her abilities. Enemies can shoot from distances where not even a range increased Accelerant will help you. Not a major problem atm though because enemies level is fairly low but a nice preview on what you can expect if there is a high level content uppdate for open world areas in the future.

OS/EOS - Energy reset after each round. Also in prepartion of OS/EOS released (22.18) WoF was nerfed (22.12)

Void Relic - These low level missions (especially things like Exterminations) are probably the best conditions for Ember. And guess what has been nerfed to the point where I can equip an amprex or maim whip and will be more effective?

 

Could you do all of these missions? Probably. Even Eidolon hunt is possible. Is she well rounded then? Definitively not. Calling this minimum threshold a "jack-of-all-trades" is a joke.

Here is a small list of other warframe which are at least as effective (or useless) as Ember in these mission: Rhino, Inaros, Octavia, Loki, Trinity, Excalibur, Mesa, Nidus. The difference is they either provide some form of reliable surviveability or superior efficiency in at least one of the other missions.

16 hours ago, 000l000 said:

Are you aware you can still add fire to any weapon thanks to mods ? Ignis only benefits from base fire damage, any fire damage is buffed by accelerant. -_-

That´s a noob trap. Take a standard rifle or beam weapon build (Serration, Split Chamber, Heavy Calibre, Vital Sense, Point Strike, Stormbringer, Infected Clip, Vile Acceleration) and tell me which one do you switch in order to increase your dps noticeable? Maybe you should share your build so we can calculate dps values.

Edited October 19, 2018 by Arcira