Is this PC good enough to handle WF? (Solved)

[Mabitude]

Hello. I am asking for opinions on a particular PCs specifications. I hope that it would be allowed. However, I was thinking to use this PC for Warframe. I spoke with very many of my friends and researched a lot of reviews. They are both positive and negative. I want to hear what your opinion on it would be.

Specs:

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 950 3.5 GHz/3.8 GHz (If overclocked, but would prefer not to do.)

GPU: NVIDIA Geforce GT 1030 2GB OC

RAM: 8 GB DDR4 2666MHz G-Skill

HDD: 1 TB SATA 7200rpm Seagate

PSU: 600 Watt Be Quiet! System Power 9 - 80+ Bronze

MOBO: Gigabyte GA-A320M-S2H (AM4, USB 3.1)

I want it to run with no problem on the usual tileset missions, and perhaps have good enough FPS on the open worlds Plains of Eidolon and Orb Vallis and not lag too much while also loading quite fast between the loading screens.

Other games I would play are World of Warcraft, American Truck Simulator, Primal Carnage: Extinction and Minecraft.

Edited November 27, 2018 by Mabitude
Enough information, good to go.

[Haevocado]

28 minutes ago, Mabitude said:

> NVIDIA Geforce GT 1030 2GB OC

> not lag too much while also loading quite fast between the loading screens.

These two just don't mix together. Also, I assume you do know that GT 1030 is a budget GPU, right?

I meant, your rig is good enough for the rest of the game you mentioned and it can play Warframe quite smoothly, but don't expect a stellar eye-candy. And about the loading speed, that depends if you have a lot of background processes or not. If you do (ex. like using a browser while playing), might want to upgrade to 16GB RAM or loading will take a bit of a hit especially if you're using Win 10. May or may not be noticeable though.

Still, I can't wrap my head around... why is your Q2 '17 AMD CPU is half the price of my Q1 '10 Intel CPU? Especially when it has double the cores, an extra 0.3 GHz, and 7 years younger. Although, I never heard one my friends recommended AMD beside the price, so there's that.

[-_Highlander_-]

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Edited December 2, 2018 by -_Highlander_-

[Mabitude]

4 hours ago, HaVVocado said:

These two just don't mix together. Also, I assume you do know that GT 1030 is a budget GPU, right?

I meant, your rig is good enough for the rest of the game you mentioned and it can play Warframe quite smoothly, but don't expect a stellar eye-candy. And about the loading speed, that depends if you have a lot of background processes or not. If you do (ex. like using a browser while playing), might want to upgrade to 16GB RAM or loading will take a bit of a hit especially if you're using Win 10. May or may not be noticeable though.

Still, I can't wrap my head around... why is your Q2 '17 AMD CPU is half the price of my Q1 '10 Intel CPU? Especially when it has double the cores, an extra 0.3 GHz, and 7 years younger. Although, I never heard one my friends recommended AMD beside the price, so there's that.

Well, I did have another PC that was quite on the edge when it comes to those open worlds. I think the CPU was an Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200 2.33 GHz x4, 6 GB RAM and GeForce GTX 460 1GB. What do you say to that? Better or worse, or similar performance between the two?

Also the OS is Win 10 Home Premium Lite Version.

I want it to at least be an sufficient upgrade from the older one. Definitely don't want to step backwards.

And no, I wouldn't use many background processes. I might have Mozilla Firefox in the background but not more than so. It depends how capable the PC is on multitasking. I always closed everything when I would enter the open worlds to get back some of my PCs performance to make it as lag free as possible. Which isn't always the case if you've played for a long time, then that won't really help lol

This PC is a complete, fresh build that I may be buying. I know it may not be a super PC due to budget CPU and GPU, but I hope its performance is better than my previous.

5 hours ago, -_Highlander_- said:

Try this 

https://www.systemrequirementslab.com/cyri/requirements/warframe/11546

Either I'm blind or something, but I doesn't find anywhere on that website where I can enter specification information. I don't have it yet so can't really try without the right PC.

[-_Highlander_-]

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Edited December 2, 2018 by -_Highlander_-

[Eisdschungel]

vor 10 Stunden schrieb Mabitude:

Other games I would play are World of Warcraft, American Truck Simulator, Primal Carnage: Extinction and Minecraft.

Doesnt matter how good your pc is with Minecraft you get it down. Once saw a 64gb RAM Gaming pc (and other Top notch specs) Crawling due to Minecraft (and yes, a few Million Blocks of tnt ^^)

For warframe id say your Main weakpoint will be the gpu

[Haevocado]

8 hours ago, Mabitude said:

Well, I did have another PC that was quite on the edge when it comes to those open worlds. I think the CPU was an Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200 2.33 GHz x4, 6 GB RAM and GeForce GTX 460 1GB. What do you say to that? Better or worse, or similar performance between the two?

Also the OS is Win 10 Home Premium Lite Version.

I want it to at least be an sufficient upgrade from the older one. Definitely don't want to step backwards.

And no, I wouldn't use many background processes. I might have Mozilla Firefox in the background but not more than so. It depends how capable the PC is on multitasking. I always closed everything when I would enter the open worlds to get back some of my PCs performance to make it as lag free as possible. Which isn't always the case if you've played for a long time, then that won't really help lol

This PC is a complete, fresh build that I may be buying. I know it may not be a super PC due to budget CPU and GPU, but I hope its performance is better than my previous.

Either I'm blind or something, but I doesn't find anywhere on that website where I can enter specification information. I don't have it yet so can't really try without the right PC.

The CPU and GPU is definitely an upgrade, If you overclocked the GT 1030, its performance is around ~GTX 760. But on stock speed it's roughly the same. Still better GT 1030 tho. considering it's newer architecture and overall, more efficient.

CPU is mostly good as long as you don't intend to play CPU-intensive games like The Sims, Rimworld (if you use the biggest map with 100+ colonist), or in Minecraft building Orb Vallis inside it maybe? For normal play 4 cores + 3.5 GHz is plenty. Your Q8200 is way worse than X4. But at least that's Intel 

Your GPU however, is an entirely different story. My suggestion tho, if you want it to be a "sufficient upgrade" at least go for GTX 1050 (whatever version fits your wallet). in FC5 for example, on all low GT 1030 only reach 30-35 fps, while GTX 1050 reach 73-75 fps. Now that's an upgrade. On stock performance, GT 1030 vs your GTX 460 is only a trickle of 5-10 fps.

I suppose RAM shouldn't be an issue then. 16GB of RAM is only noticeable if you use warframe.market, riven-market, waframe.wikia, all together while streaming on twitch with 2 different monitors staring at Fortuna's open world finishes the loading screen, really. 8GB is sufficient.

But if your current rig is Win 7 you're definitely going to see maybe a bit of a longer loading screens here and there, because Win 10 fancy looking OS uses double the RAM (~4GB) compared Win 7 2GB requirement. So you'll only have 4GB free space for other apps and Warframe typically uses ~2.5GB on Vallis, so you do the math. But since your Motherboard supports 32GB of 8x4 stick, I suppose you can upgrade it easily whenever you feel like it's a bit too slow.

We're talking about 1080p here, yes? If you're talking about 4K you should probably lighten your wallet more. Since this thing won't handle 4K with flying colors.

[Mabitude]

8 hours ago, HaVVocado said:

The CPU and GPU is definitely an upgrade, If you overclocked the GT 1030, its performance is around ~GTX 760. But on stock speed it's roughly the same. Still better GT 1030 tho. considering it's newer architecture and overall, more efficient.

CPU is mostly good as long as you don't intend to play CPU-intensive games like The Sims, Rimworld (if you use the biggest map with 100+ colonist), or in Minecraft building Orb Vallis inside it maybe? For normal play 4 cores + 3.5 GHz is plenty. Your Q8200 is way worse than X4. But at least that's Intel 

Your GPU however, is an entirely different story. My suggestion tho, if you want it to be a "sufficient upgrade" at least go for GTX 1050 (whatever version fits your wallet). in FC5 for example, on all low GT 1030 only reach 30-35 fps, while GTX 1050 reach 73-75 fps. Now that's an upgrade. On stock performance, GT 1030 vs your GTX 460 is only a trickle of 5-10 fps.

I suppose RAM shouldn't be an issue then. 16GB of RAM is only noticeable if you use warframe.market, riven-market, waframe.wikia, all together while streaming on twitch with 2 different monitors staring at Fortuna's open world finishes the loading screen, really. 8GB is sufficient.

But if your current rig is Win 7 you're definitely going to see maybe a bit of a longer loading screens here and there, because Win 10 fancy looking OS uses double the RAM (~4GB) compared Win 7 2GB requirement. So you'll only have 4GB free space for other apps and Warframe typically uses ~2.5GB on Vallis, so you do the math. But since your Motherboard supports 32GB of 8x4 stick, I suppose you can upgrade it easily whenever you feel like it's a bit too slow.

We're talking about 1080p here, yes? If you're talking about 4K you should probably lighten your wallet more. Since this thing won't handle 4K with flying colors.

Thanks for the detailed overview here. I didn't even know Windows 10 used twice as much RAM for its system, thought it would at least be the opposite since they promised good stuff.

I am fairly sure now that the GPU might be quite bad. I can probably go with it for a while as long as things aren't super uber-slow. May replace it to a better in the future, and increase RAM. CPU could've wanted an upgrade too but I think I skip that. Prefer not to touch the CPU.

I've been looking on 4K a bit and as far as I could see, GPU and motherboard supports it, but not CPU, unless thats not necessary. We'll see about that, it's not a super must otherwise if it doesn't work. I'm rather quite worried that 4K resolution will make icons and text so tiny that I wouldn't be able to see it. I'm half-blind with poor vision so seeing things well is an very important aspect to me.

[Haevocado]

3 hours ago, Mabitude said:

Thanks for the detailed overview here. I didn't even know Windows 10 used twice as much RAM for its system, thought it would at least be the opposite since they promised good stuff.

I am fairly sure now that the GPU might be quite bad. I can probably go with it for a while as long as things aren't super uber-slow. May replace it to a better in the future, and increase RAM. CPU could've wanted an upgrade too but I think I skip that. Prefer not to touch the CPU.

I've been looking on 4K a bit and as far as I could see, GPU and motherboard supports it, but not CPU, unless thats not necessary. We'll see about that, it's not a super must otherwise if it doesn't work. I'm rather quite worried that 4K resolution will make icons and text so tiny that I wouldn't be able to see it. I'm half-blind with poor vision so seeing things well is an very important aspect to me.

No problem. If you're limited on budget yeah, although it's less about it being slow and more about it's not looking pretty. I mean, it will run almost any game (pre-2018) pretty well but you may have to turn down the graphics down a notch. So if you're a fan of Ultra settings, I definitely do not recommend that card. For reference, at 1080p, FFXV only runs at 20-25 FPS with a GT 1030 at all low (stock speed), so if you intend to play a more recent game soon, might as well spend double the $ rather than decommissioning it in a few months.

Regarding the 4K, might as well stick with 1080p then. At 4K that GPU can only hold it's own at maybe ~30FPS at most, so if you have vision problems then it's better to not make it worse, lol. Although for the text looking too tiny, I believe (well at least for OSes and games that supports 4K) there is a UI/GUI scaling option so that shouldn't be a problem.

But I definitely say that for the price, GT 1030 is a pretty damn good deal.

[Mabitude]

58 minutes ago, HaVVocado said:

No problem. If you're limited on budget yeah, although it's less about it being slow and more about it's not looking pretty. I mean, it will run almost any game (pre-2018) pretty well but you may have to turn down the graphics down a notch. So if you're a fan of Ultra settings, I definitely do not recommend that card. For reference, at 1080p, FFXV only runs at 20-25 FPS with a GT 1030 at all low (stock speed), so if you intend to play a more recent game soon, might as well spend double the $ rather than decommissioning it in a few months.

Regarding the 4K, might as well stick with 1080p then. At 4K that GPU can only hold it's own at maybe ~30FPS at most, so if you have vision problems then it's better to not make it worse, lol. Although for the text looking too tiny, I believe (well at least for OSes and games that supports 4K) there is a UI/GUI scaling option so that shouldn't be a problem.

But I definitely say that for the price, GT 1030 is a pretty damn good deal.

Yeah, well I don't play Fortnite or stuff like that so thats probably ok. I want to try Jurassic World Evolution but saw it needs 12 GB RAM so yeah, not a chance, Someday...

I've been quite used to have most games on lowest graphics atm. I could run medium before on WF but the old PC ran into some overheating issues so I could not keep the usual settings. Every tiny little thing I increased or enabled would have the PC go over 70C on most components, close to 80. PSU was as hot as up to 69C. That's how it is now dead and I need a new one. It just crashed while attempting to download, and would never wake up again. Its PSU remained really hot for hours after which didn't seem right.

Rather than trying to fix an old PC thats been living for quite some years(It is possible its the mobo or the PSU who failed. We don't feel like getting a new PSU when its so old and other components could break soon after.), I'll get a new one that can live issue-free for many, many years. Warranty for 3 years too, so that'll perhaps help. You don't get that on these older ones xD

[hooperinius]

I would try to get an i5 or an AMD ryzen  and a geforce 1050 or 1060. 

[Haevocado]

2 hours ago, Mabitude said:

Yeah, well I don't play Fortnite or stuff like that so thats probably ok. I want to try Jurassic World Evolution but saw it needs 12 GB RAM so yeah, not a chance, Someday...

I've been quite used to have most games on lowest graphics atm. I could run medium before on WF but the old PC ran into some overheating issues so I could not keep the usual settings. Every tiny little thing I increased or enabled would have the PC go over 70C on most components, close to 80. PSU was as hot as up to 69C. That's how it is now dead and I need a new one. It just crashed while attempting to download, and would never wake up again. Its PSU remained really hot for hours after which didn't seem right.

Rather than trying to fix an old PC thats been living for quite some years(It is possible its the mobo or the PSU who failed. We don't feel like getting a new PSU when its so old and other components could break soon after.), I'll get a new one that can live issue-free for many, many years. Warranty for 3 years too, so that'll perhaps help. You don't get that on these older ones xD

Ahh I see now, and I agree with you on that one. But 3 years warranty? Damn that's a long time. I guess you can upgrade it anytime then 😄

[Mabitude]

1 hour ago, HaVVocado said:

Ahh I see now, and I agree with you on that one. But 3 years warranty? Damn that's a long time. I guess you can upgrade it anytime then 😄

Yup, I was quite surprised at it too. My PCs can usually live up to 8-10 years so I hope this one would do too as long as nothing damages it. The warranty would at least ensure it'll live 3 years. Easier to repair them than do it yourself when you do not have any idea how to do it on your own without breaking it even more.

Also, this build includes at least 1 chassis fan and 1 CPU cooler. You think that would be enough for it to stay cool? Temperatures here range from -10C on the winters and up to +25C on the summers, possibly even more.

[Haevocado]

8 hours ago, Mabitude said:

Yup, I was quite surprised at it too. My PCs can usually live up to 8-10 years so I hope this one would do too as long as nothing damages it. The warranty would at least ensure it'll live 3 years. Easier to repair them than do it yourself when you do not have any idea how to do it on your own without breaking it even more.

Also, this build includes at least 1 chassis fan and 1 CPU cooler. You think that would be enough for it to stay cool? Temperatures here range from -10C on the winters and up to +25C on the summers, possibly even more.

Eh, adding more coolers is never a bad thing tho, personally I have 4-5 (including the big one) just so that air circulation is good. But it really depends on the tower you have. If it could fit a ton of cooling fans, well, might as well add more. Especially if yours have some kind of filter on the area where the fan sits.

As with placement, normally you want Air flow from the front, while blowing out thru the back. Your technician probably know this better tho because it really depends on the tower.

 

Especially if you're one of the long session gamer. Because cooler PCs is always better, as long as it's not frozen :P

[Mabitude]

4 hours ago, HaVVocado said:

Eh, adding more coolers is never a bad thing tho, personally I have 4-5 (including the big one) just so that air circulation is good. But it really depends on the tower you have. If it could fit a ton of cooling fans, well, might as well add more. Especially if yours have some kind of filter on the area where the fan sits.

As with placement, normally you want Air flow from the front, while blowing out thru the back. Your technician probably know this better tho because it really depends on the tower.

 

Especially if you're one of the long session gamer. Because cooler PCs is always better, as long as it's not frozen :P

I understand. I dont know where it is going to be placed right now, but the motherboard itself has 2 fan pin headers which can be hybrid so thats what I know. The chassis is an Deepcool Tesseract. On their website it says the chassis has at least 3 pre-installed fans. I don't know if this one has it.

[Haevocado]

2 hours ago, Mabitude said:

I understand. I dont know where it is going to be placed right now, but the motherboard itself has 2 fan pin headers which can be hybrid so thats what I know. The chassis is an Deepcool Tesseract. On their website it says the chassis has at least 3 pre-installed fans. I don't know if this one has it.

Eh you'll be fine. At very least every case should have 2 mountable Fans so it shouldn't be a problem. Although if this is a pre-build PC, you might want to DIY additional fans or go to a tech specialist, if/when the cooling becomes a problem. 

 

Don't think too much on that until you get your hands on the physical product, though. Because there is no use having a ton of fan if the placement is bad.

[Mabitude]

1 hour ago, HaVVocado said:

Eh you'll be fine. At very least every case should have 2 mountable Fans so it shouldn't be a problem. Although if this is a pre-build PC, you might want to DIY additional fans or go to a tech specialist, if/when the cooling becomes a problem. 

 

Don't think too much on that until you get your hands on the physical product, though. Because there is no use having a ton of fan if the placement is bad.

Allright. I think I got enough information around this then. Now just gotta buy it soon. Thanks for all the help.

[Haevocado]

1 hour ago, Mabitude said:

Allright. I think I got enough information around this then. Now just gotta buy it soon. Thanks for all the help.

No problem, happy to help :)