Luminati07 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 (edited) tl;dr - Too bad. Read the thread, it's an important issue. Just logged in to update 10 for the first time. This is the first thing that came to mind. Come on, DE! WTF is going on with your market pricing?? It's getting worse, and worse. There's a reason the business model is called F2P with microtransactions. Let's take a look at the more recent content. Weapons Grakata - 125 Platinum Hind - 225 Platinum Soma - 265 Platinum <---- ARE YOU KIDDING? Sobek - 225 Platinum Vulkar - 225 Platinum Paris - 225 Platinum Miter - 225 Platinum Vasto - 190 Platinum Kunai - 175 Platinum Hikou - 225 Platinum Ether Scythe - 230 Platinum Glaive - 150 Platinum Kestrel - 150 Platinum Warframes Ash - 375 Platinum Vauban - 300 Platinum Saryn - 225 Platinum Banshee - 225 Platinum Nekros - 375 Platinum Nova - 375 Platinum Frost - 375 Platinum Now, let's look at some other Warframes. Loki - 75 Platinum Excalibur - 75 Platinum Volt - 75 Platinum _______________________________________________________________ The market content releases have been increasing steadily. To buy a weapon that costs 225 platinum, you will need to buy the $30 pack. That is 570 Platinum, leaving you with 345 left over. To buy a 375 Platinum Warframe, you will need to buy the $30 pack. That is 570 Platinum, leaving you with 195 left over. Going with the usual 75 platinum = $5 That means a weapon can run you $15 or more! A Warframe can cost up to $25! Do you see the issues with this? If these kinds of prices stay forever, it will not benefit DE at all. It will run this game into the ground. MICROtransactions need the micro. Having a weapon cost $3-5 will sell a significant amount more than a weapon that costs $15. A Warframe that costs $5-10 will sell a significant amount more than a Warframe that costs $25. DE. This is my plea to you. Please, for the love of God. Sit down at a table, and have a very long talk about the market. Make some drastic changes. I don't care at all if I don't get refunded plat if you reduce the prices, I paid my $250+ and fully knew what I was getting. You need to sort this S#&$ out, or the game will inevitably be driven into the ground. Please, DE. Drastic changes must be made to the market, DE. Weapons should cost a maximum of $5. Waframes, $10. *Edit* Thankyou to DaveC for showing me this video Incase embedding doesn't work, here is a direct link - *Edit 2* Mod Packs, bundles, and other misc items. Mod Packs Who doesn't see how terrible flawed these are? First off, ability mods must be removed. I don't think a single person spends up to 90 plat for a Warframe ability. People are hunting for multi-shot and rare mods. Not Chaos and Bastille. An idea I had was this, create more mod pack categories Primary weapon mod pack Secondary weapon mod back Melee weapon mod back Warframe mod pack Sentinel mod pack Each with varying prices. This would allow players to further narrow down their choice, rather than gambling on the pool of dozens and dozens of mods. Mod Packs are a complete joke. Stalker Bundle 800 plat. 800 plat for Dread, Hate, Despair and the Smoke Palette. Assuming 75 platinum = $5 That's more than $50 for a 3 weapons and a colour palette. Now, you can not honestly say that is reasonable. I know comparing F2P to P2P is like comparing apples and oranges, but it does have some validity. $50 can get me a AAA title in some countries (not in aus. Curse you publishers). $50 can get me 3 months of pure enjoyment in Final Fantasy XIV $50 can get me a looooong way in some F2P games. Now, this bundle is more than $50. And, taking the fact that this is a discounted bundle just adds insult to injury. Update 10 Bundle Read above. This is 850 platinum (?) $60 for a few weapons and a new Warframe. I'm lost for words. Fusion Core Pack Up to 90 (?) platinum for a pack of three (lol, three. Really, DE?). Two have a chance of being rare. Now, see what's wrong here? A chance at being rare. RNG is a common complaint in Warframe, so why the hell should I pay 90 plat, for a chance at rare cores. Especally if some of those are Rare 2, Rare 3. First off, these need to give more cores. One Kappa run will net me upwards of 10 cores (usually) These cores will always be the max level. Common 3, Uncommon 5, Rare 5 Fusion Core packs should give at least 5 cores, all of them being max level. For 90 plat, you should always get at least 2 guaranteed rare cores. Remember, you're spending more than $5 on 3 cores at the moment. Fusion core packs are a complete joke. So, this isn't paying for convenience, this is paying for no reason. Credit Bundles Just when you thought it couldn't get worse. Credit Bundles. 90 platinum for 30,000 credits. When these were released, you could go to Void III and get 70k for a single mission. Now, tell me the sense in that. Credit rewards have been nerfed, but this is still a joke of a plat purchase. 90 platinum (more than $5) should get you far more credits than 30,000. 50,000 should be the minimum. Credit bundles are a complete joke. Plat Discounts Some people have mentioned plat discounts as a reasoning behind prices. "Just spent 800+ on the new bundle. used the 50% of reward to do it. Market prices seem fine to me since they give us a chance a cheap plat. " If plat discounts need to be used as an example of reasonable market prices, then something is seriously wrong with the in-game store. Especially if the discounts used are generally 50%-75% off. If the paid currency price needs to be reduced by 50% to seem reasonable, then what does that tell you?Sure as hell doesn't tell me the prices are fair. Resources To me, resources aren't as atrocious as the other things. They're useful if you're missing that one Neurode, and are about to go to bed. I do believe that the amounts should be bumped up a bit (30 plat = 200 or 300 plastids. Should be 500 imo. 10 plat should net you more than one rare resource). But. The research resources. 15 plat. For ONE sample. NOT injector/mass/fieldron. That is 15 platinum for a single sample. I cannot think of an ounce of sense in that. Nothing more needs to be said. It explains itself. Other stuff Plenty of people have said things like, DE isn't encouraging you to buy Warframes and weapons, they only want you to buy slots and forma/potatoes. I say that is utter stupidity, no offense to anyone. People often forget that DE is a business. Discouraging any kind of purchase is downright awful business sense, there's no pretty way to say it. It's been proven many times that lower costing items create far more profit than selling something at ridiculous extremes. (I'm at work at the moment, so I can't find sources) DE is a business, they are looking for profit, not to steer players away from buying things. Several people used World of Tanks as an example, speaking of a $50 tank that sold quite a lot. I guarantee you, thousands more players would have bought that tank if it was priced at $10. Like I said earlier, smaller prices generate more profit. What's more appealing, 500 players buy a tank that costs $50, or 5000 players buying it at $10? When DE releases more cosmetics, the profit will see an increase, provided they are priced fairly. 50 plat for a cosmetic? Yes please. 375 plat for a Warframe? lolno. Apologies for any spelling, grammar or formatting errors. I'm at work, and am not thinking straight. *Edit 3* Another thread that has been recently Nekros'd. https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/52192-the-warframe-market-is-a-joke-and-actively-discourages-impulse-purchases-updated-includes-solution-to-installed-catalystsweapon-slot-on-weapons/ Edited September 17, 2013 by Nugget_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryoken Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 Just spent 800+ on the new bundle. used the 50% of reward to do it. Market prices seem fine to me since they give us a chance a cheap plat. Can't wait to get a 75% off. It is also about what you make cash wise. I make enough to buy with plat but don't have the time to play the game as a farmer. All about perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KvotheTheArcane1 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 Just spent 800+ on the new bundle. used the 50% of reward to do it. Market prices seem fine to me since they give us a chance a cheap plat. Can't wait to get a 75% off. It is also about what you make cash wise. I make enough to buy with plat but don't have the time to play the game as a farmer. All about perspective. The prices are only fine when they're on a 50% of plat. That says something. And by "chance for cheap plat", do you mean the coupons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleesus Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 Lets not forgot how you can barely buy anything for credits anymore these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteNekophus Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 (edited) All weapon should be AT LEAST 100-120Plat considering without using those "platinum" discounts. 20$ for Weapon? Ehhhhhhh.... not worth even with slot/potato. Edited September 14, 2013 by WhiteNekophus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELREYULTIMO Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 (edited) Weapons Grakata - free Hind - free Soma - free <---- ARE YOU KIDDING? Sobek - free Vulkar - free Paris - free Miter - free Vasto - free Kunai - free Hikou - free Ether Scythe - free Glaive - free Kestrel - free Warframes Ash - free Vauban - free Saryn - free Banshee - free Nekros - free (Okay, I bought this one) Nova - free Frost - free Now, let's look at some other Warframes. Loki - free Excalibur - free Volt - free FTFY Edit: I do agree with you. The prices are high, but that is the cost of convenience. There is no true need to spend platinum on any of these things. Edited September 14, 2013 by ELREYULTIMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KvotheTheArcane1 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 FTFY This isn't about how you can get them, but the plat cost. Just because you can get something for free, doesn't mean you should ignore cash cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapricaSix Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 Maybe they've just learned from the worst, G1 that is. APB has similar pricing, nobody likes getting a single weapon for $50-60 but people still buy it which gives them the impression that it's just fine. At least we can still craft it, but that doesn't excuse the extravagant prices really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mak_Gohae Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 Im crafting all the new weapons now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KvotheTheArcane1 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 Im crafting all the new weapons now. Right, but it doesn't fix or excuse the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inberun Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 The prices right now make no sense. Crappy weapon like Vulkar with BP available in the market is the same price as the Miter and Gremlin that u have to farm till coughing blood? My suggestion. Bring down the price of all weapons that are available as BP in the market. I wouldnt buy a @(*()$ Vulkar with the same price as a Warframe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mak_Gohae Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 Right, but it doesn't fix or excuse the price. The price is obviously not for people who are complaining about it. F2P game doesnt mean free or cheap items, F2P means that there is a section that is free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KvotheTheArcane1 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 The price is obviously not for people who are complaining about it. F2P game doesnt mean free or cheap items, F2P means that there is a section that is free. But overpriced items don't help the game. No matter how you spin it, or look at it, well priced items sell more and faster than overpriced items. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shut Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 (edited) I think they should leave the prices as is, but steadily deflate them to the value of Frames like Excalibur and weapons like Vasto as the items age. And even that's pushing it. If stuff wasn't so absurdly expensive, people wouldn't feel so reluctant to buy it. Edited September 14, 2013 by SortaRandom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteNekophus Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 The price is obviously not for people who are complaining about it. F2P game doesnt mean free or cheap items, F2P means that there is a section that is free. I thought we're talking about How the business world works? If it was expensive and not worth to buy, no one will buy it... In result, They will not get money from players, Game will end. GG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriticalVoid1 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 The price is obviously not for people who are complaining about it. F2P game doesnt mean free or cheap items, F2P means that there is a section that is free. It also doesn't mean alienate over half of your player base from spending money on your game. They have a chance to increase their market revenue. And instead they consistently cater prices towards the upper 30% (pulled that percentage out of my &#!, probably lower than that judging by the forums) revenue class of the player base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mak_Gohae Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 (edited) But overpriced items don't help the game. No matter how you spin it, or look at it, well priced items sell more and faster than overpriced items. Do you have proof of that? We dont really know how they are doing. It seems they are doing fine of else the prices would have been adjusted a long time ago. Im pretty sure if nothing was selling they would do something about it. I thought we're talking about How the business world works? If it was expensive and not worth to buy, no one will buy it... In result, They will not get money from players, Game will end. GG! The prices have been like this for a while.... the game isnt ending. It seem some one is buying them. It also doesn't mean alienate over half of your player base from spending money on your game. They have a chance to increase their market revenue. And instead they consistently cater prices towards the upper 30% (pulled that percentage out of my &#!, probably lower than that judging by the forums) revenue class of the player base. How are they alienating anyone? If you dont want to pay for them you can craft them. Edited September 14, 2013 by Mak_Gohae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 (edited) Weapons should cost a maximum of $5. Waframes, $10. Should they decide on a price drop I'll be okay with $7 weapons and $12 frames if not $5/$10 Edited September 14, 2013 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KvotheTheArcane1 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 Do you have proof of that? We dont really know how they are doing. It seems they are doing fine of else the prices would have been adjusted a long time ago. Im pretty sure if nothing was selling they would do something about it. Do we have proof? I think we do. The average triple A game, i.e. CoD, BL2, etc costs $60. 4 weapons or frames in warframe average out to $15, or $60. (this was around 9.6ish, probably higher now by a bit) How is that well priced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Szilvia Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 (edited) I never brought anything than weapon and warframe slots only just the colors and that's all. But yes the prices are too high and with this investments you can buy other games too so not to worth idea buy anything than this. Edit: well priced items begin utility 10-30 platinum "forma,orokincat-reaktor, colors" weapons 50-100 platinum frames 75-150 platinum and i am sure more people want to buy anything from market. Edited September 14, 2013 by Szilvia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mak_Gohae Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 Do we have proof? I think we do. The average triple A game, i.e. CoD, BL2, etc costs $60. 4 weapons or frames in warframe average out to $15, or $60. (this was around 9.6ish, probably higher now by a bit) How is that well priced? Comparing payed games to F2P destroys your argument completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KvotheTheArcane1 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 Comparing payed games to F2P destroys your argument completely. No, I'm comparing the monetized part. Try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriticalVoid1 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 How are they alienating anyone? If you dont want to pay for them you can craft them. That's kind of the point. In a f2p game they make money off of it being convenient for players to spend money and skip the "crafting" portion of the game that is free. If it's not convenient to pay them money, as it's not in this game for many players who aren't willing to spend $10-$15 on a new weapon, then they are not making potential money. That is a poor business model. And they are alienating people from buying things (note: I did not say alienating people from the game, but that happens too with high prices). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neKroMancer Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 Putting something on the market means you want to sell it. The price doesn't help, not one bit. Even Founders like me won't buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteNekophus Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 (edited) Do you have proof of that? We dont really know how they are doing. It seems they are doing fine of else the prices would have been adjusted a long time ago. Im pretty sure if nothing was selling they would do something about it. *sigh* Example. look at Steam market which players will sell, and buy items. Or maybe you can just take look at MMORPG's "my" shop. (A.K.A market for some games, well don't really matter) Overpriced weapon won't get bought by someone, Overpriced camos in CS:GO won't get bought by someone(Ex: 100$ AWP Stattrak.) Well priced items will get sold. Overpriced one won't. got it? I know it's not good compare because of type of market, but still, you need money to buy those things in those market. Edited September 14, 2013 by WhiteNekophus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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