Split Trade Chat into Riven Sales and Normal Sales.

[Test-995]

Only if we had a magical filter to include/exclude all the riven mods...

[(PSN)guzmantt1977]

20 hours ago, Caine2112 said:

For sure there are fluctuations in market prices, regardless of the system used.  But with all economics, everything balances themselves out over time.  Will the initial introduction of some type of Auction House affect prices?  Absolutely.  Only a fool would think otherwise.  But as time goes on and people learn the market, for better or worse, prices will eventually balance themselves out based on supply and demand.

My entire point for setting up an Auction House is to get rid of the old bleeding-eyes paradigm of endless chat scroll.  With or without working filters.  Implementing one is simply a no-brainer.

Yes, implementing an auction house in Warframe would be a "no-brainer". I strongly suggest that you consider what that actually means. To help you figure out why it's something that only a person with no brain would do that, there are some points that you should think about.

Warframe is a game where the demand for most items is limited to "1 per account". Because we only need one. Our gear does not degrade, does not need repair, does not need to be replaced. 

For most items that can be traded, there's no real limit to how many a given player can farm. This means that we're facing a potentially infinite supply (it would probably be in the millions or hundreds of thousands for most items depending on how the system is implemented but either is effectively the same as "infinite" for our purposes). 

Demand, however is limited to only those players who meet specific criteria: are currently online in the game; do not currently own the item; want to own the item; have enough platinum to make buying the item possible; be willing to spend that platinum. Basically the same number as current. (There'd be an expected bump in numbers because prices are expected to go down on implementation, but the same thing would negatively affect the amount of plat people get from selling items, so there'd be less available for purchasing stuff.)

Couple those with the simple facts that: 1) there's always someone who wants the buyer's plat more than others; and 2) buyers are always looking for the lowest price. 

What you just created is a "race to zero" style price war for everything that isn't especially rare. 

 

And again if all you want is to make the "endless scroll" manageable, you should really try to figure out how to use the filters to your advantage. 

[(PSN)guzmantt1977]

20 hours ago, Avienas said:

*sees this bloke saying by simply adding filters to only look for items with P & Prime in the tag would make it so you only see people selling prime stuff*

*remembers that many riven mod tags & various items can include the letter P, in thar text*

*also remembers that plenty of people outright do not even include prime or P in thar text, which would allow easy access to finding only prime part buyers/sellers, there by making those sales able to go much swifter then making the text absurdly vague to only weapon X or Warframe Y, yet some even go as far not to even write the names correctly, making it even more obscure for buyers/sellers to find unless they only leave wtb or wts filter on, which results in seeing the full massive force of text, likely causing viewers to feel like thar eyes are bleeding*

*triple remembers that some people also like looking for multiple things at once, such as arcanes AND general mods AND stance mods AND syndicate mods AND arch-weapon parts AND syndicate weapons for marketing*

• If what might look like half the market chat on prime parts are basically lost in the process of using filters like those, you basically lose a significant portion of what you are trying to visit market chat for, which basically means you spend a signficant time longer just to find a hit for a buy/sell & likely that person will not even respond to you, likely since they already found a buyer/seller or are just plain away from the keyboard and decide to check back after posting each message to see if anyone PM`d them and then fish for the best offer they like.
• Honey, look i know you really have some vendetta against D.E. changing/removing warframe`s market chat considering you seem to be the only one i see in MULTIPLE THREADS bad-mouthing anyone who denounces market chat`s existing state. But considering VERY low drop chance RARE mods that were originally in the 30 to 60s are basically demanded at 10 plat value these days or very similarly very low value prices, most low priced items have been cut in half by the general populace and even prime sets cannot stay above 100 several hours, AFTER just being released into the game, even if it just got slapped back in the vault recently. 
• MARKET CHAT is already devaluing the fk outta everything because no one has a price history to follow, at least with a price history average, people may play the undercut game, but then eventually the smart people price things a tad bit higher so they end up making more plat in the process unlike the people who priced things so low, despite a CONSTANT DEMAND is present for them, so pricing it lower is just a massive detriment to the buyer/seller except wanting to get it done sooner then later.

Howl all you want, but if a building is already collapsing OR a literal pile of rubble that is occupied by people constantly defecating all over the rubble while screaming obscenities at anyone who just so much glance or walk near it, Well its kind of a MUCH better idea to bulldoze the structure and make a entirely new building, deal with the shaky period of embracing something different and everyone will just get used to it and adapt to it, especially if it results in a much cleaner setup then what is currently going on. 

Very sure plenty would agree that they`d rather have things low-priced and easy to market then have to jump thru many hoops and the values of them are also still low-priced & kicks out what might as well be declared, miscreants that want to slide all around market chat, pantsless and smearing poop all over the floor and making the room even more uncomfortable as it already is, which is basically a small office room with no air-conditioning and people shouting in other people`s faces, while trying to see if anyone else is interesting in whatever pile of lint they have for sale.

Maybe my rather rough analogy on how messy market chat is currently came off a rather nasty thing. But seriously, you have only constantly been saying to tweak filters to resolve everything. With your other argument on being values could get WORST if D.E. finally changed how marketing worked after so many years of not really doing much except slap a filter on it, not even a freaking /CLEAR command at all.

Otherwise you just basically been telling people to stop saying market chat needs changes, With basically nothing further to add to your argument on what the ACTUAL flaws would be present that would make it WORST then market chat or at the very least you were likely so miniscle on mentioning them, they were likely squashed by your declarations that market chat is a golden child that must not be harmed.

If you are going to do any more replies, i declare, that you need to actually ADD more to the thread, instead of just basically saying the same thing. Because probably i will end up just listing all the ideas i have seen so far in the multiple threads on HOW market chat could be improved/changed into something HEALTHY for the overall community in warframe.

Is English your native language? Serious question there, because it seems that a lot of what I said is being totally missed during your rant, even though you're quoting it, and you're suggesting that I said things that were not said. 

[Caine2112]

1 hour ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

Yes, implementing an auction house in Warframe would be a "no-brainer". I strongly suggest that you consider what that actually means. To help you figure out why it's something that only a person with no brain would do that, there are some points that you should think about.

Warframe is a game where the demand for most items is limited to "1 per account". Because we only need one. Our gear does not degrade, does not need repair, does not need to be replaced. 

For most items that can be traded, there's no real limit to how many a given player can farm. This means that we're facing a potentially infinite supply (it would probably be in the millions or hundreds of thousands for most items depending on how the system is implemented but either is effectively the same as "infinite" for our purposes). 

Demand, however is limited to only those players who meet specific criteria: are currently online in the game; do not currently own the item; want to own the item; have enough platinum to make buying the item possible; be willing to spend that platinum. Basically the same number as current. (There'd be an expected bump in numbers because prices are expected to go down on implementation, but the same thing would negatively affect the amount of plat people get from selling items, so there'd be less available for purchasing stuff.)

Couple those with the simple facts that: 1) there's always someone who wants the buyer's plat more than others; and 2) buyers are always looking for the lowest price. 

What you just created is a "race to zero" style price war for everything that isn't especially rare. 

 

And again if all you want is to make the "endless scroll" manageable, you should really try to figure out how to use the filters to your advantage. 

I suppose we will simply have to agree to disagree.  You made good points however.  Food for thought.  🙂