MJ12 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 If you wanted to make other weapons more viable in comparison with the Soma, it'd have been better to give the Soma a 1% proc chance. Right now, it's hilarious because of the 5% proc rate making it an okay elemental weapon. A Soma with a 1% proc means it's got plenty of damage but not much utility, and in concert with a significant buff to proc rate mods (which is nigh-inevitable) it'd be 'balanced'. There'd be things Supras/Gorgons could do significantly better than it (lock down entire crowds with elemental effects) at the cost of lower accuracy and damage. Right now, the Soma's still incredibly strong and probably "OP" (mainly because automatic rifles generally kind of suck, just like sniper rifles), it's just unreliable, and OP but unreliable is even worse than OP period. OP but unreliable means people will use it anyways, but complain about its lack of reliability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegofanPC Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 my little soma has lost its power... but my braton prime is amazing now :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tahrox Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Just use the Supra. That is the one that was intended as the damage dealer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornuthaum Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Why move the Soma up to MR 6 (which took me about 110 hours of play to get) only to nerf it now? Dump the proc chance to 1%, up the crit rate back up to 35% MR6 weapons should be allowed to be much, much better than lower-ranked weapons. MR hardly falls from trees, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CannaWhoopazz Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 MR hardly falls from trees, after all. Maybe they could add such trees that drop MR..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innosin Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 (edited) Here is the problem Even at MR6, the Soma is still much better than the rest of the armory at MR6 and above. It does more damage than ignis at anything longer than short range. It does more damage more versatile on enemy type, more range than flux rile (proc change doesn't even matter given both weapons's high RoF) It does more damage AND more range than Synapse. Sorry, but Soma is still the master gun even post 2.0. Opposing what damage 2.0 is suppose to do (getting rid of the "one gun fits all" weapon system) and that, has to change. Why move the Soma up to MR 6 (which took me about 110 hours of play to get) only to nerf it now? Dump the proc chance to 1%, up the crit rate back up to 35% MR6 weapons should be allowed to be much, much better than lower-ranked weapons. MR hardly falls from trees, after all. Edited November 22, 2013 by Innosin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10Inches Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 but then those others guns that soma was surpassing before also didn't escape the great round of nerfing. Honestly some of the other high leveled weapons took a much more serious blow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ12 Posted November 22, 2013 Author Share Posted November 22, 2013 Here is the problem Even at MR6, the Soma is still much better than the rest of the armory at MR6 and above. It does more damage than ignis at anything longer than short range. It does more damage more versatile on enemy type, more range than flux rile (proc change doesn't even matter given both weapons's high RoF) It does more damage AND more range than Synapse. Sorry, but Soma is still the master gun even post 2.0. Opposing what damage 2.0 is suppose to do (getting rid of the "one gun fits all" weapon system) and that, has to change. So make it bad at elemental procs. There, it's no longer one-size fits all, it wasn't ever nerfed, and everyone is happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innosin Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 The Soma’s current damage output is still stupidly high compare to its MR6 competitions. It’s crit chance of 25, crit damage of 300% still allow it to outperform weapons of its same rank. It’s also a gun that is highly moddable and versatile to go against most enemy types, since all other MR6 rifles has singular or element stats. The only way I can see to make the playground a bit more fair is to keep its current crit, but take away it’s element proc rate completely, yes, completely, I mean ZERO PERCENT. So it’s a gun that is high damage against most types of mobs, but has no element proc to help with CC or utility other than shooting enemy to death. But even with that, the Soma may still be preferred by most players, since CC can be done by choosing the right warframe/teammate’s abilities. So make it bad at elemental procs. There, it's no longer one-size fits all, it wasn't ever nerfed, and everyone is happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizzarugi Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Bump MR to 7-8 and give back its old crit chance, that seems like good enough balance to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innosin Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 If you are bumping it to rank 7, 8 how do you justify the material and research time needed is much, much higher on rank 6s conpare to a rank 7,8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taronium Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Just noticed that the Soma doesn't feel the same anymore... pity. I really loved it. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatpig84 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 (edited) The Soma has a decent proc rate FYI. Thanks to Hammershot which is core for it. With shred and that ROF, it procs through entire lines of targets. Edited November 27, 2013 by fatpig84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revi93 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Stop claiming nerf to all weapons that are OK. Instead of that what DE should do is buff the weapons that aren't doing what are supposed to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDirtTrooper Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Soma has needed nerfed to the ground ever since it was added. It made every other automatic rifle in to a sad joke. Update 11 has balanced that out some, but still not enough in my opinion. It really needs it's niche clarified and defined. I vote for something half way between the Latron and the Braton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhisperByte Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 (edited) Well there was never a need for a nerf to Soma's crit rate. Crit multiplier nerf to 2x would put a sock in nerf herders' mouths but Soma has to be a rifle that crits consistently. That's a unique mechanic as it is the only automatic rifle in the game that can do so. I don't want DE to treat it like Acrid and Horid and just make it a boring S#&$ like the rest Edited November 27, 2013 by WhisperByte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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