Rhino, Frost, Rhino, Zephyr.

[LordAsmolicious]

IMO, they should put a Timer on Iron Skin. ATM, its bit to damn good at most levels of play.

So you want to have it like the Old Iron skin? If its gonna get a timer then let us get back the old invincibility okay?  and no opne complains about tinity. who modded right an make your whole team Un-killable. Now if that doesnt need a few big hits from the nerf hammer....

[MrInfinito]

Okay, I'm really sleepy, but first of all, let's get something clear:

People who are complaining about what frame needs to be nerfed should stop playing LOL and start playing other games like Warframe, where nerf is not always the best solution. The objective here is to make all frames viable in the higher mission tiers.

 

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OK then, let the wall of text begin (if it doesn't interest you, just read the post backwards)

 

When I pick my Rhino and have a hard time doing a survival that my Zephyr crossed like a walk in the park, I see something good, not something bad.

 

I never pick Volt just cause there's almost no place in actual gameplay for a sniper warframe. At least in the way I understand it. I would love to stand behind his shield picking targets but usually don't have the time to do it in a party. Needless to say how I would fare alone. And don't start the speech about ninjas, cause logic was thrown out of the window more than a year ago.

 

I regret every time I can't pick Ember as a true flaming killer I'd like she to be, just cause her skills are not omnipotent at end game, and I need to take resort in my weapons. But... maybe it SHOULD be that way?

 

I would love to get my Nova to some places and anihilate my enemies with antimatter, but she's so squishy I would have a hard time hitting that beefed up antimatter drop in a sweet spot. Sometimes, there's Player Skill involved you know?

 

I remeber some "versus fighting game" everytime I cross from one side to another with my excalibur dealing nice amounts of bloody damage, but his so-called most powerful skill only shines (for me) when I use it in parnership with a Mag and her bullet attractor.

 

I could keep the list on, but my point is: what makes many people playing a game for so much time is the flavor, not the metagame. Not the numbers by themselves.

 

If you've noticed, every sentence was started in the first person and it was written in this manner for a reason.

 

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Maybe, just maybe, some people should think of ways to boost the other frames instead of nerfing a few ones.

Sure, it's easier to nerf. But why should I be penalized for using a balanced frame when all I would want is doing the same with all the others?

I don't want my Rhino, or Zephyr, or Nova, or any other to become worse, so that I end up having no fun with any of them at the higher tiers.

And please, Conclave players, just sit there in the corner and wait...

[ErickJatobA]

Okay, I'm really sleepy, but first of all, let's get something clear:

People who are complaining about what frame needs to be nerfed should stop playing LOL and start playing other games like Warframe, where nerf is not always the best solution. The objective here is to make all frames viable in the higher mission tiers.

 

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OK then, let the wall of text begin (if it doesn't interest you, just read the post backwards)

 

When I pick my Rhino and have a hard time doing a survival that my Zephyr crossed like a walk in the park, I see something good, not something bad.

 

I never pick Volt just cause there's almost no place in actual gameplay for a sniper warframe. At least in the way I understand it. I would love to stand behind his shield picking targets but usually don't have the time to do it in a party. Needless to say how I would fare alone. And don't start the speech about ninjas, cause logic was thrown out of the window more than a year ago.

 

I regret every time I can't pick Ember as a true flaming killer I'd like she to be, just cause her skills are not omnipotent at end game, and I need to take resort in my weapons. But... maybe it SHOULD be that way?

 

I would love to get my Nova to some places and anihilate my enemies with antimatter, but she's so squishy I would have a hard time hitting that beefed up antimatter drop in a sweet spot. Sometimes, there's Player Skill involved you know?

 

I remeber some "versus fighting game" everytime I cross from one side to another with my excalibur dealing nice amounts of bloody damage, but his so-called most powerful skill only shines (for me) when I use it in parnership with a Mag and her bullet attractor.

 

I could keep the list on, but my point is: what makes many people playing a game for so much time is the flavor, not the metagame. Not the numbers by themselves.

 

If you've noticed, every sentence was started in the first person and it was written in this manner for a reason.

 

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Maybe, just maybe, some people should think of ways to boost the other frames instead of nerfing a few ones.

Sure, it's easier to nerf. But why should I be penalized for using a balanced frame when all I would want is doing the same with all the others?

I don't want my Rhino, or Zephyr, or Nova, or any other to become worse, so that I end up having no fun with any of them at the higher tiers.

And please, Conclave players, just sit there in the corner and wait...

 

See? that is the point.

[PoorCensored]

Shouldn't all warframes be viable options for all levels content?

I mean, I'm fine with warframes being specialized, but that means a generalist frame shouldn't out shine a specialist frame in its role. I'm sure some of that involves balancing frames, however, some of it may have to do with underlying mechanics.

Outside of solo play, I seldom get the chance to do stealth and sniping. Then again, defense and survival seem to be the two most popular mission types...

[Tulzscha]

Moved to the proper section.

[Axeroix]

 

I never pick Volt just cause there's almost no place in actual gameplay for a sniper warframe. At least in the way I understand it. I would love to stand behind his shield picking targets but usually don't have the time to do it in a party. Needless to say how I would fare alone. And don't start the speech about ninjas, cause logic was thrown out of the window more than a year ago.

try him as a hit and run/melee frame

[IamSalva]

With the right build yes, he can outrun Ash. But You cant have a Faster Rhino and a Tank Rhino in the same mod build without at least 6 formas.

I had to pass forma on my Rhino 4 times to make him tank as he could be.

Is all about customization.

 

'-'

 

You dont need a single forma to make Rhino fast... just a Helmet...

[VentiGlondi]

Well I did, level 75 Corrupted Heavy Gunner can take a Rhino with maxed out shield, health and armor + a Iron skin with an addition of 90% of power strenght in under 10 seconds.

This is not a proper argument. It's been said multiple times that the game is supposed to be balanced around 30-40level.

[Phoenix86]

Frost users are simply jelly and mad at Rhino, you just gotta wait and you'll be balanced,

 

like us when they ripped off our old Iron Skin and all of you were like "yeah he was needed, bla bla bla" and we were the screaming ones.

[Allenaattori]

Iron Skin was duration-based, and he was completely invulnerable while it was up, kinda like the change from old snowglobe to new snowglobe..

wow!

[Zephyric_Reaper]

Hrmm.... what I red from OP: 

My defense abilities don't scale (like all others but CC) and I die to something that deals very high damage and it's overlevelled. 

Reaaaaaally? 

And you're FACETANKING it. Warframe is NOT about that. And you got stomp too, which is an OP CC. I just don't get it, either you can't see how convenient, easy, rhino is to play or something. His kit is complete, he's easy to mod, his buff lasts more than most buffs, his cc beats many, many others, he's the only one that can be immune to CC for an entire mission. All while other frames actually have to play the game, dodge, take cover, avoid CC. But noooo, it's fine that rhino can bypass all game mechanics and have the easiest kit to use, psssh. What was I thinking. 

[HackShield]

dont understand why rhino could be the masterrace he is the game tank and sure a good modded rhino does dmg would be a shame if not but his dmg can be overttaken by frames so why that QQ about him i dont like rhino that much myself . but nerfing ? hell he got what he needs and very skill is useful as you can mod him to your perference.

 

stop insulting other frames cause youre little lover got a nerf i love frost atm he is a bit crippled and? i got still a weapon for shooting there sint a need for constant skill spam

 

and finally i NEVER understand WHY you make a fight out of it.

 

4 player in one match youre a @(*()$ team im happy about each trini rhino or nova in my team if he/she is a teamplayer.

 

cause things get easier.

 

if you wanna do the hardcore tripp take a unmodded loki and here we go skana action on pluto

Edited March 10, 2014 by HackShield

[ErickJatobA]

This is not a proper argument. It's been said multiple times that the game is supposed to be balanced around 30-40level.

 

I know that is not the best argument, but I am trying to show my point, this Mr.Infinito point of view is exactly mine. Just have fun, this game is good,

unfortunately yet we can not play as our favorites because they are not ready.

But people seems to be angry and start to yell about nerf and that is not the solution. If everyone considers Rhino overused, why not make Him a benchmark for other frames and buff them to the same level.

 

[PoorCensored]

So you want to have it like the Old Iron skin? If its gonna get a timer then let us get back the old invincibility okay?  and no opne complains about tinity. who modded right an make your whole team Un-killable. Now if that doesnt need a few big hits from the nerf hammer....

 

The problem here is another frame has this exact ability - Valkyr - and it comes with a large restriction Rhino doesn't have. Also, I tend to see a lot more Rhino players that Valkyr players.

 

I know that is not the best argument, but I am trying to show my point, this Mr.Infinito point of view is exactly mine. Just have fun, this game is good,

unfortunately yet we can not play as our favorites because they are not ready.

But people seems to be angry and start to yell about nerf and that is not the solution. If everyone considers Rhino overused, why not make Him a benchmark for other frames and buff them to the same level.

 

Not making a specific comment on the Rhino, but, if one frame is outshining all the other frames, you should nerf that frame. If one frame is performing below all the other frames, you should buff it. If some are performing better, and other worse, you need to figure out what the median is and nerf those above it and buff those below it.

 

Specifically about the Rhino, if you buff everything up to Rhino caliber over all, you'd radically change the early and mid game experience. 

[Cpl_Facehugger]

(invincibilty iron skin,)

Only if you're playing on Venus.

[ErickJatobA]

The problem here is another frame has this exact ability - Valkyr - and it comes with a large restriction Rhino doesn't have. Also, I tend to see a lot more Rhino players that Valkyr players.

 

 

Not making a specific comment on the Rhino, but, if one frame is outshining all the other frames, you should nerf that frame. If one frame is performing below all the other frames, you should buff it. If some are performing better, and other worse, you need to figure out what the median is and nerf those above it and buff those below it.

 

Specifically about the Rhino, if you buff everything up to Rhino caliber over all, you'd radically change the early and mid game experience. 

The thing every one should have in mind is: Each warframe was suposed to fit in a role.

But the game environment is not ready. The fault for any other frame be consider weak or strong is not only of only one Warframe but the game itself. Once we get stealth missions for real, every one will see when each frame shine.

Rhino is good at everything because every mission is the same.

Thing that is beginning to change.

In this event, for an example, the best Cell that I had made was two Mags and two Lokis. A Rhino under the core with an iron skin just ruin the mission.

This is what I expect from the future of warframe mission types for each type of warframe. Not nerf one frame just because he can do anything at he current state of the game.

[PoorCensored]

I'll agree that we need certain elements of the game better fleshed out, such as stealth; even in full-blown stealth games, you can generally get through by Rambo'ing, if you're good at Rambo'ing. And you're going to have to eventually balance around that.

 

That said, my best run in the most recent event was two Frost Primes, a Rhino Prime, and a Mag (me). The Frosts layed down snow globes, Rhino was the runner, and I kept shields up.