Wargasm_v2.X Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 In yet another demonstration of the sore need for balance we have the current trend of Vauban and Orokin Derelict Defense missions. Apparently standing around and firing into a floating toilet bowl (Vortex) over and over constitutes compelling gameplay. The only "challenge" presented with Vauban is to not get too close to the toilet bowl when toxic ancients are flushed. Just when I had given up that DE had the stones to fix broken abilities they nerfed Snow Globe - one of the most spammed abilities to trivialize content. In fact this nerf probably spiked the popularity of this exploitive play as players always look for the path of least resistance. While they have since backed away from the nerf somewhat (big surprise) it at least showed SOME awareness by DE. I have to wonder what their thoughts are when they see what a colossal joke Vauban makes this map and how people abuse it to rake in huge amounts of XP. While it's hard for any player to condemn easily obtained XP, DE should know how that undermines their long term goals in retaining players. It at least is another compelling argument for a balance pass on ALL frame Ultimates or at least the need for a substantial cooldown. And no, energy is not an effective means to pace the use of Ultimates as anyone who plays the game will attest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MenschOfUber Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcl_Blue Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I play Vauban on ODD to have fun. I had a ton of fun last Thursday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LurkenLurker Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Some frames are better at doing other things than other frames and booben is a very straight forward control frame and ever since the frost nerf demand is high for him especially if you're doing High wave ODD. Any way even with balanced people want to be efficient and booben is very good at what he does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aka_Miso Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) I swear with all theses posts if Vauban gets debuffed (again) I'm going to flip the (input your guess) out hes perfectly fine the way he is. Also nothing needs a cd on it we already got past that phase in this game Edited March 17, 2014 by Sasoka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)CrimsonShinku Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 someone has never bounced another player into a toxic vortex it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LurkenLurker Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) Thats Like saying i get mad because the group that wants to farm for materials will not take my volt Over a Nekros that wants to join in the last spot Edited March 17, 2014 by LurkenLurker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CY13ERPUNK Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 fyi u dont 'need' booben 4 high wave odd doesnt invalidate op entirely tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axterix13 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) If it wasn't Vauban, it'd be something else. M-Prime or Nyx's ultimate. Okay, that's another ultimate. So Chaos. A Nova sitting up top dropping a non-stop stream of Antimatter. Nerf efficiency across the board? People would move on to weapons, two in particular that do very high AoE damage. But yeah, I agree that Vortex makes for a pretty boring ODD. Also a bit annoying because picking up loot is unreliable until it ends. Can make restocking on ammo a pain ;) But anyway, if you don't want it, form your own group for it. Keys are easy enough to make. Edited March 17, 2014 by Axterix13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoffFromAccounting Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Thats Like saying i get mad because the group that wants to farm for materials will not take my volt Over a Nekros that wants to join in the last spot That's just showing how broken Nekros is, he only has one ability that's ever used and even then only in survival, but alas that's for another topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrainInvader Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 People actually use Vortex? o.O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LennoFF Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I swear, some people are not going to be happy until we have 45 guns that have the same stats but just look different, and a roster of equally useless frames. Why is it when a frame gets a little attention, people freak out and want him or her "balanced?" Controlling infested is the ONLY thing he is good at. So you think because he is good at 1 thing, that he should be balanced? I bet as soon as every frame sucks, and every weapon is the same, you'll complain there's not enough variety in the game, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alighierian Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 well, whilst you're at it, nerf trinity as well, for being so tough. oh, and nova, for blowing the ever-loving donkeys out of half the map the entire time or volt, for allowing a team to be as fast as the wind. deal with it. vauban is specialized. his skills are purely crowd control, bastille was truly OP if it stopped bullets. it doesn't. he only shines really well together with a loki (radial disarm) or frost (against the bullets) or against infested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherIcarus Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 This is why I am glad and hope that DE continues to ignore this damn community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khranitel Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 But yeah, I agree that Vortex makes for a pretty boring ODD. Also a bit annoying because picking up loot is unreliable until it ends. Can make restocking on ammo a pain ;) Most Vaubans I encountered (including myself) use Bastille instead (or together) with Vortex. No problems with loot, and match becomes a logistic task "shoot enemies fast enough to not let them overload the circle-of-nope". Much more dynamic, especially when it overflows at last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LurkenLurker Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) fyi u dont 'need' booben 4 high wave odd doesnt invalidate op entirely tho Then the OP can find another damn group if i want to be specific on what i am looking for in a group dammit i can if i don't wanna take any random frame and hope the god damned S#&$ comes together. Even if perfect balance hits your still gonna have people that want to take certain frames over others cuas said frames will still do a better job at others in specific situations Edited March 17, 2014 by LurkenLurker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oriviagene Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Just make ur own team without booben... Don't whining about him just coz u bored with him kid... Every frame has their "area" and booben is anti-infested... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aka_Miso Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) Just make ur own team without booben... Don't whining about him just coz u bored with him kid... Every frame has their "area" and booben is anti-infested... if they nerf Vauban this guys next post will be about how hard ODD is now and to "fix" that too, although I think someone already asked DE about Vauban being changed like Frost and they said they aren't going to do anything to him Edited March 17, 2014 by Sasoka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shut Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 -1. Cooldowns will add nothing to this game. The concepts of Warframe abilities are more or less fine as they are; they're just quite incompatible with our current Energy system that allows for constant "Press 4 To Win" with no gaps in between. Cooldown bad. Updated energy system good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryunokage Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Issue isn't with the Vauban, its how the corrupted mods, fleeting expertise and narrow minded don't affect vortex. Neither of those mods adversely affect vortex and serve to lower its cost to the point that you can more or less spam it without worry. While at the same time benefit from the extended duration without seeing a fall in the range of the vortex's gravity well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekrojiji Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I like your toilet analogy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axterix13 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) Most Vaubans I encountered (including myself) use Bastille instead (or together) with Vortex. No problems with loot, and match becomes a logistic task "shoot enemies fast enough to not let them overload the circle-of-nope". Much more dynamic, especially when it overflows at last. Yeah, that's more fun. I run into a mix of types though, about equal. Some just use Bastille. Others use the mix. And some stack Vortexes. I swear, some people are not going to be happy until we have 45 guns that have the same stats but just look different, and a roster of equally useless frames. Why is it when a frame gets a little attention, people freak out and want him or her "balanced?" Controlling infested is the ONLY thing he is good at. So you think because he is good at 1 thing, that he should be balanced? I bet as soon as every frame sucks, and every weapon is the same, you'll complain there's not enough variety in the game, lol. To be clear, he's not calling for a nerf to Vaubans specifically, but rather to ultimates in general. He's just using Vauban as an example. He could just as well have been complaining about people looking for Trinities for the shield reactor event (and most of the time ignoring Mags). Not that there's much point. It would just shift the "must have" thing to other powers or Ogrid/Penta. That said, if you believe that Vauban is only worth using against Infected, then it seems like you believe he isn't balanced, and that he should be adjusted. Personally, I find Vauban handy against Grineer as well, mainly because Bastille is great against heavies. Float, Napalm, float! Oh, and he also does a number on the Hyena pack. Do wish his zappy grenades were a bit more effective. And the complete package does leave something to be desired for general gameplay. Edited March 17, 2014 by Axterix13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble_Cactus Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I swear, some people are not going to be happy until we have 45 guns that have the same stats but just look different, and a roster of equally useless frames. Why is it when a frame gets a little attention, people freak out and want him or her "balanced?" Controlling infested is the ONLY thing he is good at. So you think because he is good at 1 thing, that he should be balanced? I bet as soon as every frame sucks, and every weapon is the same, you'll complain there's not enough variety in the game, lol. Or locking down disarmed Corpus/Grineer when paired with a Loki. But yes, Vauban is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGodKing Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) "I want Booben to be nerfed because I don't like it when he's extremely good at the only thing he's good at." A "compelling" argument? I think not. You are a silly, silly person. /thread Edited March 17, 2014 by AxialBlue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angrykenji Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Another whine thread. Vauban is built for defense. What exactly do you want to balance? The fact he's pretty useless on the other mission types? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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