JohnProdman Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Judging players by their Warframes. Uh, well yes. If there's an Oberon from recruiting chat in a T4 S that I'm planning on taking to 40-60 minutes, I'm going to judge them for their frame. Each frame is unique and excels at something. They all have a role, and it just so happens that many frames aren't suitable for it. Ember would be another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheErebus. Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Yes i couldnt agree more and you must be one of the few players that can mod him right. But the scores of scrubs you run into that dont understand how to mod him paint the frame in a unpleasent light in many things T4 or otherwise. Maining him since closed beta, you tend to know what makes a warframe tick. And this part I can agree because it goes for EVERY warframe out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViLeDeth Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 (edited) You are also welcome to your opinion but seeing as I am Mastery Rank 16 I am far from inexperienced. Though my opinions may be colored by the past of the game and not the current. I personally cannot see any reason to bring Ash to any kind of T4 when there are clearly better choices for the slots even more so for a Tier 4 defense. Grinding out MR XP =/= gameplay experience. I understand you were expressing your experience with players incapable of keeping up when they used old Ash. I get it, totally know what you're basing it off. The MR sentence takes away from the rest of your post. I wouldn't bring (new)Ash for survival because they don't have the CC I want beyond 1Hr. I WOULD bring (new)Ash for all other T4 survival types. Defense, I never cared about going too far with. Interception, anyone with the ability to invis and cap a point wouldn't matter about kills before the 100% mark for target elimination. Edited August 12, 2014 by ViLeDeth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuy08 Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 I really should have put the why "Ash should be loved" post up. To make this every simple Ash when played correctly is not truly a team play (stay with me). Most of his skills are simply more useful to him than anyone else. That being said his damage does scale well on Bladestorm (especially with the melee multiplier), he is a great rezzer, he is a great scout, and often even in T4 simply does not need to be babysat. Ash one you use bladestorm is guaranteed to kill any mob. It may take a while (past the mid 40s) but once it is initiated any mob he has targeted will go down. I think this alone has some true value but other might not. There is no wrong frame imho this narrow minded, and misinformed players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evanescent Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 The way I see it, He's classy, he's got great bleed proc utility, and his stabbing makes them stack. Plus, He's got teleport to cover ground without taking fire, and smokescreen for stealthing-recuperating. Also, He kills quite fast. He's got 2-3 clones. To DarthRevan84, I respect your opinion. Your key, your rules. But can I ask you to reconsider your opinion on judjing players by frames, please? DE made every frame viable if used right. Yes, even Oberon. Not that they can't use improvements, but it's true. It's the player that makes the frame, not the pther way 'round. Frames like excalibur and ash are scorned by players, but they are, if played right, high level tier. As someone who has done 1hr T4 survivals with these two, I can vouch for them. It makes life difficult for me when rhino primes with boltor primes (i've got nothing against them personally. They're both great) tell me I'm a noob, etc etc for using excal and ash. In most cases, It's the excal and ash who stand over them reviving. Trust me, some players seem like noobs because they use unusual weapons and frames, but they're not (in most cases). Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evanescent Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Yeah it's true. I main ash as well and agree that he's not top tier. BUT... Not all of us need top tier frames to do well in this game. XD take my +1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eraze93 Posted August 12, 2014 Author Share Posted August 12, 2014 I really should have put the why "Ash should be loved" post up. To make this every simple Ash when played correctly is not truly a team play (stay with me). Most of his skills are simply more useful to him than anyone else. That being said his damage does scale well on Bladestorm (especially with the melee multiplier), he is a great rezzer, he is a great scout, and often even in T4 simply does not need to be babysat. Ash one you use bladestorm is guaranteed to kill any mob. It may take a while (past the mid 40s) but once it is initiated any mob he has targeted will go down. I think this alone has some true value but other might not. There is no wrong frame imho this narrow minded, and misinformed players. yes , all ash need is respect and honor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheErebus. Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 yes , all ash need is respect and honor. If you think Ash is one of the frames who isn't respected at all, you are sorely mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuy08 Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 (edited) If you think Ash is one of the frames who isn't respected at all, you are sorely mistaken. I think players and their decisions need more respect from other players who feel they know it all. Edited August 12, 2014 by TheGuy08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiegraf Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Ah, another inexperienced player. I know it's completely off topic, but I thought your profile picture looked like a Zephyr wearing a top hat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eraze93 Posted August 12, 2014 Author Share Posted August 12, 2014 well in high level tier bro.bladestorm become perma stun high level mob. and i dont really expect ppl understand this. but. this is his hidden utility that can be discover in 50 min survival t4.oh ya. if you wana test your skills how good you play or how pro you play in your specific frame. go play t4 survival solo. you will discover something out.i discover too that RHINO need natural talent for stomping in high level tier. also ash.Again i dont expect ppl to understand. but i can teach them how to understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eraze93 Posted August 12, 2014 Author Share Posted August 12, 2014 If you think Ash is one of the frames who isn't respected at all, you are sorely mistaken. ofc no. and i dont care. i speak truth. ash need respect dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheErebus. Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 well in high level tier bro. bladestorm become perma stun high level mob. and i dont really expect ppl understand this. but. this is his hidden utility that can be discover in 50 min survival t4. oh ya. if you wana test your skills how good you play or how pro you play in your specific frame. go play t4 survival solo. you will discover something out. i discover too that RHINO need natural talent for stomping in high level tier. also ash. Again i dont expect ppl to understand. but i can teach them how to understand. I'm sorry but Since when did you become the Ash master? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eraze93 Posted August 12, 2014 Author Share Posted August 12, 2014 I'm sorry but Since when did you become the Ash master? i am ash player dude. well my friend is. he is ash master. a whooping 9 forma. he is good at playing ash. well i am too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheErebus. Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 (edited) i am ash player dude. well my friend is. he is ash master. a whooping 9 forma. he is good at playing ash. well i am too. I've been maining ash since closed beta, and I would never call myself an ash master. Get off the high horse. Edited August 12, 2014 by TheErebus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eraze93 Posted August 12, 2014 Author Share Posted August 12, 2014 I've been maining ash since closed beta, and I would never call myself an ash master. Get off the high horse. am i saying i am master? no. but thx if you say so. ash is now differ from closed beta. and i just play him again with bladestorm build. after the buff. And bladestorm is high tier skills, in my opinion. Well best ability ingame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_Pianoff Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Well best ability ingame. A thousand noes to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheErebus. Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Well best ability ingame. It's the highest DAMAGING. But not the best. A thousand noes to this. A thousand yiss to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_Pianoff Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 It's the highest DAMAGING. But not the best. A thousand yiss to this. *trades Ring Prime Blueprint* Will you marry me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheErebus. Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 *trades Ring Prime Blueprint* Will you marry me? YES! *divorces you 10 seconds later* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViLeDeth Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 (edited) well in high level tier bro. bladestorm become perma stun high level mob. and i dont really expect ppl understand this. but. this is his hidden utility that can be discover in 50 min survival t4. oh ya. if you wana test your skills how good you play or how pro you play in your specific frame. go play t4 survival solo. you will discover something out. i discover too that RHINO need natural talent for stomping in high level tier. also ash. Again i dont expect ppl to understand. but i can teach them how to understand. Keep it civil, you're going into a ranting phase. The "stun" on high level enemies is nothing and short lived. Radial BLIND. Radial Disarm Stomp Tentacle Swarm Tempest Barrage Sound Quake Sonic Boom Vortex Bastille vs Ash's blade storm in T4 survival? Radial Blind - The stun on Blade Storm is defeated entirely by a cheaper and effective ability. Radial Disarm - Enemies are forever without range, your team can kite and peel and kill them mobs. Stomp - That stun you mentioned with Blade Storm is overshadowed entirely. Vortex - Choke Points/entrances Bastille - Choke Points/entrances Tentacle Swarm - Choke Points/entrances Tempest Barrage - Choke points/entrances, snipe with it, cast tentacle swarm after if more are entering from that direction. Undertow - Choke Points/entrances. (Only to keep mobs spawning behind your team from getting a shot off them. would not use unless it is the case) Sound Quake - find a corner, use a huras to keep you stealth - you lock down entrances or small rooms from away from bullets/danger. Edited August 12, 2014 by ViLeDeth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eraze93 Posted August 12, 2014 Author Share Posted August 12, 2014 (edited) You are welcome to your opinion. I for one kick people from my T4s if i see them on frames i deem unworthy of T4. Just like you are welcome to yours (even if it's ridiculous) Sadly they are not a rare breed. because not many player playing good ash. Still ash is worthy for t4 mission (defense survival) after this big bladestorm buff. depends on player, yes? and thats make the good ash player are rare breed. hahaha. Edited August 12, 2014 by eraze93 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_Pianoff Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 YES! *divorces you 10 seconds later* Now sell that Ring Prime BP to somebody for 9001p. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickBoay Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 (edited) You are welcome to your opinion. I for one kick people from my T4s if i see them on frames i deem unworthy of T4. sure we all will use your frame, everyone is good at his own thing i kill T4 with ash youd be lucky to have me edit: a good ash will outkill you bigtime, for example random squad surv 1 hour , 1.2k+ kills , rest of my team is at 300+ so dont underestimate our teleporting friend even proof for ya. Edited August 12, 2014 by NickBoay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleesus Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Gonna also have to ask you guys to stay on topic please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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