How Does Viral Proc?

[Arehk]

Does this status effect proc before actual damage proc? I.e. If I put this on a sniper rifle would the bullet have to shoot through their whole health and then after it would proc viral, or will it proc viral to begin with and the bullet damages their halved health after that proc?

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[Darzk]

Did some testing because the stuff DoG was saying sounded made up on the spot.

 

Damage is applied AFTER the Viral proc. If you shoot once, the enemy health will be halved and THEN damage is applied. This is good news for snipers/semi-autos.

 

SS's:

 

Before:

After a Single Viral Shot:

(yeah I missed 3 times, stupid railing)

[X3Evanescence]

I believe that the damage is done with the proc. For example:

Weapon X shot a Grineer with 4000 hp and proc viral.

Weapon X deals 200 dmg while halving Grineer HP to 2000.

[xkillo32]

it halves their max health so I don't see what your trying to say here

[cyril1204]

Does the proc stack? Eg: If I proc the target twice within 6sec, does his health goes from 4000 to 1000 or It'll stay at 2000?

[Jiminez_Burial]

Not sure how the damage is applied but it would be interesting to play-test this along with magnetic, puncture and any other removal/debuff procs in the game.

[Arehk]

it halves their max health so I don't see what your trying to say here

Pretty straight-forward. Does the effect happen, and then damage calculation occur?

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[[DE]Momaw]

Does the proc stack? Eg: If I proc the target twice within 6sec, does his health goes from 4000 to 1000 or It'll stay at 2000?

 

No. It only triggers once.  It USED to stack, so don't be confused by old posts.

[Darzk]

Proc does not stack. Damage occurs after the proc (although this has been changed a couple of times so I'm not 100%).

[Arehk]

Any devs out there?

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[Arehk]

No one cares, even though this could be the difference between "one-shot" weapons being indisputably superrior to every other type.

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[-FrostByte-]

Viral reduces a target's maximum health to 50% for 6 seconds and does not stack after Update 12.

The current health will be reduced if higher than 50% of maximum health and will not be returned after effect wears off.

Example:

Target's original health: 800/1000

Health with Viral status: 500/500

Health after Viral status: 500/1000

An additional proc while a viral status effect is active will refresh the effect's duration time.

 

 

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[MechaTails]

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No, that doesn't answer the guy's question. Which happens first, weapon damage or the proc?

Edited September 17, 2014 by DarkTails

[-FrostByte-]

No, that doesn't answer the guy's question. Which happens first, weapon damage or the proc?

 

In that case.

 

 1000/1000hp 0 armor

 

braton with 25 damage 100% proc

 

grenier takes 25 damage and immediately gets viral status so

 

500/500

 

each bullet after that will do 25 damage

 

you can't proc without "hitting" something just think about procing anything else. the popup damage counters say "25 (elemental damage)" I hope you understand me now, at least that is how i look at it

Edited September 17, 2014 by .DoG.

[MechaTails]

Huh, weird, so the bullet that procs doesn't do any damage?

[-FrostByte-]

Huh, weird, so the bullet that procs doesn't do any damage?

 

it does damage.

 

The 25 damage was taken from the 1000/1000 hp to 975 but since it proced the hp was dropped to 500/500

 

if you want to look at it from another perspective. Your first viral proc did 500 'damage'

[MechaTails]

Oh, so the bullet damage is replaced by the proc effect. Seems like that should skew the DPS stats people love to argue over so much.

Edited September 17, 2014 by DarkTails

[-FrostByte-]

Oh, so the bullet damage is replaced by the proc effect. Seems like that should skew the DPS stats people love to argue over so much.

 

I don't know what you are talking about dps stats but the bullet damage isnt replaced by proc. The proc adds to bullet damage, it is just that viral is strange.

 

We could test my theory. Find something with enough hp to be halved and at the same time have the bullet exceed the 50% threshold and you should be left with something like

 

475/500 on that first proc bullet

 

(if the braton did 525 damage per bullet @ 100% proc)

 

but then again it is just what I think happens. I might be totally wrong. I'd pm some of the devs if you really want to know how it works

Edited September 17, 2014 by .DoG.

[MechaTails]

Oh, you're mixing bullet damage and proc damage. The bullet doesn't do 500 damage, that's just the proc reducing the enemy's max health, the bullet does separate damage.

 

If it's true that the enemy ends up with 475/500 when hit, then proc happens first, then the bullet damage kicks in.

 

So if a Viral bullet does 100 damage to an enemy with 150 HP:

 

•If the proc happens first, the enemy dies. (75 Health - 100 Damage means it dies)

•If the proc happens second, the enemy doesn't die. (150 Health - 100 Damage leaves 50, then that's halved to 25 Health)

 

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You said:

 

"grenier takes 25 damage and immediately gets viral status so

 

500/500"

 

So it's like you were saying the bullet does no damage, only the proc happens, which would skew DPS results. Not that I care, but it'd be funny to see a S#&$storm start over that lol

Edited September 17, 2014 by DarkTails

[Arehk]

I don't know what you are talking about dps stats but the bullet damage isnt replaced by proc. The proc adds to bullet damage, it is just that viral is strange.

 

We could test my theory. Find something with enough hp to be halved and at the same time have the bullet exceed the 50% threshold and you should be left with something like

 

475/500 on that first proc bullet

 

(if the braton did 525 damage per bullet @ 100% proc)

 

but then again it is just what I think happens. I might be totally wrong. I'd pm some of the devs if you really want to know how it works

 

Been testing things out myself, from my own obeservations I am willing to say you are incorrect, status effect happens first, the HP is halved and then damage is applied.

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Did some testing because the stuff DoG was saying sounded made up on the spot.

 

Damage is applied AFTER the Viral proc. If you shoot once, the enemy health will be halved and THEN damage is applied. This is good news for snipers/semi-autos.

 

SS's:

 

Before:

After a Single Viral Shot:

(yeah I missed 3 times, stupid railing)

I had someone tell me this and it really seems that way in my gameplay experience.

Edited September 18, 2014 by Arehk