gnat6 Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 The only thing they ever did that even remotely toned down this grinding hell was the addition of T4 keys, which was both a challenge and a relief of dillution. You forgot about DE making frame blueprints a guaranteed end of mission reward instead of them only having a small chance to drop from the boss as loot and falling through the floor half the time which was the most significant attempt at reducing grind that DE has ever made. And I have to disagree with you about t4 keys being a good thing since although they might have helped slightly the main problem with the void has never been dilution its the disproportionately high drop chances that some parts have and that DE has never made any attempt to fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerathos_Dagon Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 (edited) You forgot about DE making frame blueprints a guaranteed end of mission reward instead of them only having a small chance to drop from the boss as loot and falling through the floor half the time which was the most significant attempt at reducing grind that DE has ever made. And I have to disagree with you about t4 keys being a good thing since although they might have helped slightly the main problem with the void has never been dilution its the disproportionately high drop chances that some parts have and that DE has never made any attempt to fix. You said that T4 keys only helped slightly, and I agree with you on that. But that still means they helped, and that they were a good thing. Still, DE shouldn't take that as a 'let's continue doing that', because if they use that as a solution, we can end up with T10 void keys and that's just stupid. Maybe I shouldn't have said the T4 keys were the only things they did, because as you said they did more. But the principle still stands, Warframe is a giant grind fest (and becoming more so) and they've done little to fix these things. I disagree when you say dillution has never been a problem, because although it wasn't earlier, it certainly is now. However, the disproportionate drop chances as you said, are also a big problem. Edited December 25, 2014 by Zerathos_Dagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S13gtastic Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I'm kind of at the point where I wish they would just make it so keys are permenant for bosses make them quests that you do to atune the key. Give said bosses interesting mechanics that are fun and just let us grind them MMO style. I don't mind grinding but Mesa's really made me never want to get her ever. What really bugs me is the alerts to get basic key parts for Mesa only drop one cordinate....uwotm8? -_- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandr_ Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Here we are months later. Mesa is still behind her infinite grind wall that I've been chipping at for months with no progress, nothing but chassis's. We listen to our community my $&*%($ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMember Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 1. Just log in every day and inside a week you have 1-2 keys. Seen at least one Muta infested invasions every day. 2. Run 1 keyshare run and you get 4 parts. Repeat few times and vola, you have complete set. (toke me two keys) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandr_ Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Lucky you, I've been at it for a while now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratir Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 The real problem is that once you have gotten her parts you will never go back to fight the boss again, this is a bigger problem that her grindwall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Cokain6 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Just on here to share my outcome with this setup and finally got mesa after 18 battles with Alad V, conclave levels ranged from 700 to 1400 avg in squad 9 helmets 8 chassis 1 systems This RNG is not what drop table states... It has been changed. Most tenno are looking for the systems to drop and have done more the 10 runs... PS4 user Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Cokain6 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Well, I'm still stuck on single nav. I managed to get 2 missions in today on the nav invasion, but then it disappeared. GG I would just like to say, that I can certainly afford to buy Mesa. I can... but I won't. Because the acquisition method &!$$es me off. I refuse to give in and buy her, out of sheer principle. I realize it doesn't make any difference, but I just want DE to know (like they'll read it lol). I bought frames before when the grind was tough but fair. I don't think this is very fair. I dealt with the alert wall / wait wall / chance drop wall out of sheer principle, plus I have yet to spend a single plat on a regular warframe. No reason to start now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
420degreequicksopeswag Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 So, many months later and nothing has changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashashou Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 (edited) So, many months later and nothing has changed? sure it has - after all the excitement of the new frames has passed , and almost no ones running key sharing groups it' s harder than ever for players to get it now . And with M- alad V 's mind control triggering the afk flag and people not getting a reward after the mission the grind wall is way higher atm it's much less hassle to buy it that farm it - which DE intended YoQ - year of quality Edited February 1, 2015 by Ravel7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
420degreequicksopeswag Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 atm it's much less hassle to buy it that farm it - which DE intended We've been had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoomFruit Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 1. Just log in every day 24/7 and inside a week you have 1-2 keys. Seen at least one Muta infested invasions every day. 2. Run 1 keyshare run and you get 4 parts. Repeat few times and vola, you have complete set. (toke me two keys) Fixed it for you. Salad co-ordinate invasions don't last long. And considering that you'll be asleep for 8 hours every day, working for ~9h on weekdays, making and eating food for ~1h in the evenings, that doesn't leave much time to be online in the same small window that the invasion is still active. It's the same problem that Vauban has. It took me 6 months to get him - and I only got him that quickly because the systems appeared as a reward for one of the Gradivus invasions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grander.Alderman Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 VAY HEK! VAY HEK VAY HEK VAY HEK IS UNBLOCKED!!! Mastery rank wall... is okay, I'm fine with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocent_Flower Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 (edited) Well, It's progress. here's hoping they do the same thing to salad Edited February 5, 2015 by Innocent_Flower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoomyGordo Posted February 6, 2015 Author Share Posted February 6, 2015 VAY HEK! VAY HEK VAY HEK VAY HEK IS UNBLOCKED!!! Mastery rank wall... is okay, I'm fine with it. Well, It's progress. here's hoping they do the same thing to salad I have to agree. This update is largely good. Though it is still slightly soured by the rep cap being chopped in half. Im honestly tempted to play again though i think i will wait and see if they plan to give all keyed bosses a home or if they are only doing this because they have sold enough of hydroid through the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avalona Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I'd like this update more if the game isn't blinding me and everyone within 50 miles radius with every single use of my abilities and explosion happening. Disable it? why would you add something new just to be disabled *cough* Ordis *cough* in order to even play the game? Speaking of blinding flash of light, I'm at least extremely pleased that Loki's Invisibility does not blind me anymore on casting, I hate it when I have to shut my eyes/turn away everytime ability expires/need recast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traybong111 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Well, It's progress. here's hoping they do the same thing to salad It only took 10 months to unlock Vay Hek (really, not even a year!) so by that estimate Mutalist Alad V'd be unlocked by this October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akira_him Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I am afraid of that they are planning to use hek's beacons for archwing sabotage mission Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grander.Alderman Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Though it is still slightly soured by the rep cap being chopped in half. I used to be able to earn 32,000 rep. a day without collecting any medallions, now I can't get over 16,000 together with the medallions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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