Llyssa Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 There are a number of highly-useful tables on the wiki. There are a number of highly-useful tables on the wiki that were replaced with rather inept ones that make them practically useless. It's been rather trendy lately, from what I can tell, but I'm not really sure why. Does anyone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xlraistlx Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 ...I've not been using the wiki that much due to returning to college, but what tables? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taiiat Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 i'm not about to search every Article on the Wiki to try and find whatever you're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rydian Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Examples? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)IMainTheMains Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Tables as in mods or ...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llyssa Posted January 28, 2015 Author Share Posted January 28, 2015 As in, for example, there's a table on the syndicates page. Formerly, it listed frames in groups in one column, with which syndicates were needed for that group. That's really useful. Now, that table has been replaced with an alphabetical listing of all frames, with the info about which syndicate they're tied to separated out, so that you have to check for each frame individually, and have no quick-reference to plan out your point strategies--effectively forcing you to either keep extended notes, or just use the in-game syndicate interface, which, although clumsy, is far more informative. That's one of several that I've seen replaced for some bizarre reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llyssa Posted January 28, 2015 Author Share Posted January 28, 2015 Another was the archwing drop table, which listed which mission locations gave which parts, grouping together things by goal(what it completed) and location. Very useful to know where you need to go to help you get what you want to acquire. That was replaced with box lists containing only data for mission types and all things dropped, with no grouping at all.... so you have to search the ever-lengthening lists for exactly what you need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrian3k Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Another was the archwing drop table, which listed which mission locations gave which parts, grouping together things by goal(what it completed) and location. Very useful to know where you need to go to help you get what you want to acquire. That was replaced with box lists containing only data for mission types and all things dropped, with no grouping at all.... so you have to search the ever-lengthening lists for exactly what you need. Yes, very difficult to search for e.g. a Corpus Exterminate among the whole 8 missions that are listed right above the drop table here. As in, for example, there's a table on the syndicates page. Formerly, it listed frames in groups in one column, with which syndicates were needed for that group. That's really useful. Now, that table has been replaced with an alphabetical listing of all frames, with the info about which syndicate they're tied to separated out, so that you have to check for each frame individually, and have no quick-reference to plan out your point strategies--effectively forcing you to either keep extended notes, or just use the in-game syndicate interface, which, although clumsy, is far more informative. That's one of several that I've seen replaced for some bizarre reason. All Syndicates have different frames, so I wonder how the first one wasn't chaotic. I'd personally list Syndicates and show which warframes they all focus on instead of the other way around as it currently is the case. As in Red Veil - Nekros, Mesa, Loki etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rydian Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 As in, for example, there's a table on the syndicates page. Formerly, it listed frames in groups in one column, with which syndicates were needed for that group. That's really useful. Now, that table has been replaced with an alphabetical listing of all frames, with the info about which syndicate they're tied to separated out, so that you have to check for each frame individually, and have no quick-reference to plan out your point strategies--effectively forcing you to either keep extended notes, or just use the in-game syndicate interface, which, although clumsy, is far more informative. That's one of several that I've seen replaced for some bizarre reason. I believe the reasoning is that if people want info on Syndicates in general (in relation to the rest of the game that already existed) they will visit that page, whereas if they want info on a specific Syndicate they will visit that Syndicate's page. So the current method benefits players who can look up their preferred frame easily and then see which Syndicates they might want to choose because they will see the ones that can benefit what they have. This is because every player will have a frame before they have a Syndicate. Versus if they want to see what an individual Syndicate offers in detail, they visit that Syndicate's page where it lists the groups of frames (as well as weapons). http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Cephalon_Suda For example. The change may have been because the original design worked for the smaller sets of data involved initially, but a lot more augment mods have some out and duplicating all the info on the main page was seen as a waste of space or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llyssa Posted January 28, 2015 Author Share Posted January 28, 2015 You guys never actually saw the other ones, so you're just spitballing BS answers. That isn't helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrian3k Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 You guys never actually saw the other ones, so you're just spitballing BS answers. That isn't helpful. Sorry, but the drop table of the archwing parts tells you which mission type it drops in and the table right above tells you which missions fit that. It's easy to find what you're looking for there. You can see what frames are gotten by which Syndicates and can also see the list of frames that particular Syndicate offers as well. What more could you possibly want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rydian Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 You guys never actually saw the other ones, so you're just spitballing BS answers. That isn't helpful. If I'm missing info that's critical to the discussion, then you should try to supply it if you're pointing out a problem. From the initial reactions to this thread, you should be aware that this is not something people instinctively know about. At the top of every page there's a "Edit" button, click the dropdown arrow next to it and click the "History" button. You'll be presented with a list of edits, if you click the timestamp you'll go to a page that's a permanent representation of that article at that time. Present us two history links that show us the differences so we can see for ourselves the differences, and then provide more details if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khawz Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 (edited) If I'm missing info that's critical to the discussion, then you should try to supply it if you're pointing out a problem. From the initial reactions to this thread, you should be aware that this is not something people instinctively know about. At the top of every page there's a "Edit" button, click the dropdown arrow next to it and click the "History" button. You'll be presented with a list of edits, if you click the timestamp you'll go to a page that's a permanent representation of that article at that time. Present us two history links that show us the differences so we can see for ourselves the differences, and then provide more details if needed. http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Archwing?oldid=860802 Meh i think this was better(its faster to locate the part you are looking for), but the new one is ok too, and the reason behind it was so it resembles the Void tables. Edited January 28, 2015 by Khawz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rydian Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 So in the archwing's case it's not even changing the grouping, just the visual style? Yeah was probably done to be consistent with the way Void drop tables are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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