Revel72 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Nerf Manic or it should leave. This is bad design DE. I just got bleed proc 300 per tick. And mag with 315 health just can not do anything. I slapped down health restore and New Loka ally. Nope still died and I need to listen that clown's laugh of you making him utterly broken. Here is list of changes what must happen at least three (preferably all of them): Nerf the bleed damage to: Mininum 25 and maxinum 30. Remove invincibility. Seriously. For example Doom guy gets knocked back all over places even if he has invincibility (Funny thing to mention two cyberdemons made me be their ping pong ball once). If you run at tornado it is AIs own stupidness. So allow them to be crowd controlled and loose invincibility if gets crowd controlled. Reflex race for the win. Allow player to get this freed from stun lock. Seriously. If we can not kick off a god damnd sircus clown off of our face there is something really wrong on your game logic. Seriously if you can not make those animations why did you release him? Increase first ability damage by 5 times bigger against Manic. Increase melee damage on Manic. I used dragon nikana against one 35 manic. It has 855 slash damage. I dealt about 400 or less. Also DE. Read the spoiler below: Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run Test run. EVERY single change you make in to the game. Because THAT IF ANYTHING. Saves you from A LOT of work too. For you own sake. TEST RUN EVERYTHING! There is no game what can not survive without test run. Sure it consumes a lot of time but if you think about getting these kind of rants or feedback. You would get much more easier in your work when there wouldn't be a lot of flame on your heels Pyro: *mumbling* I didn't mean that literally... This is not League of Legends when Rengar was released and enemy team had him. Seriously it is not funny. Riot games needed more than 2 months to balance him to be balanced. DO NOT do that same mistake. Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senketsu_ Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 pretty sure thats a bug, because whenever I get hit by a bleed proc from him its usually 20 at the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entharias Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I never got killed by Maniac, just dodge the attacks lol this ''mini-boss'' is supposed to be strong as hell, so no point on nerfing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rukkhadevata. Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 well your buuged (HA) i need something to kill me so dont nerf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babce Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 hes stronger then most bosses lol esspecially at high levels . However very fun to 1v1 melee with him if you know how to move instead of waiting to get jumped lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidPunch Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I never got killed by Maniac, just dodge the attacks lol this ''mini-boss'' is supposed to be strong as hell, so no point on nerfing it. I agree with this guy. I found him to be a little frustrating and challenging, but all in the good ways. It's a welcome change to see an enemies that puts up a fight in regular missions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valar.Morghulis Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I never got killed by Maniac, just dodge the attacks lol this ''mini-boss'' is supposed to be strong as hell, so no point on nerfing it. This is a mini-boss, i have yet to be killed by him so I guess i am missing all the hub bub is about. He shows up, we kill him, if one of the less skilled players gets taken down, no prob pick them up. As far as i can tell as long as your actively in motion he cant hit you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entharias Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 (edited) Let's wait for a corpus mini-boss now :D Edited March 25, 2015 by -Himari- Edited post for language. Keep it clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexian Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I agree with this guy. I found him to be a little frustrating and challenging, but all in the good ways. It's a welcome change to see an enemies that puts up a fight in regular missions The thing is, they made ONE enemy this interesting and fun, but what about the rest? I mean I'm growing a passion for killing him just to shut him up. His movement and mechanics could/should exist in the other AI (not his abilities, but basically him not being completly suicidal if you're spraying bullets at him). One enemy out of how many? and bosses? actually puts up a fight no matter the lvl.... Am I the only one who figure this strange that it took 2 years for this to happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entharias Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 DE should make a rework on bosses and make em more like.. Vor (the mercury one), not like Anyo, i just oneshot him :| is not even fun to make em xD too easy, we want real badass bosses, a bit more like Lephantis (not like he is too hard, but at least you can't oneshot him). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnakeWildlife Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) In or out? OUT. Payday 2 style Auto-Kill mechanics do not belong in a long-progressional game like this. Where years of work suddenly mean nothing -.- Down with Anti-Progression! Down with Manic. Complete removal. Instead, copy>paste how Manic works, onto Tyl-Regor. I wouldnt give 2 s##ts if this was for a BOSS. What will you people defend DE for next? QuickTimeEvents? Its the year of quality for cryin out loud, ask for more! Edited March 25, 2015 by SnakeWildlife Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelSD Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 OUT Annoying and nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluelitHalo Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) I never got killed by Maniac, just dodge the attacks lol this ''mini-boss'' is supposed to be strong as hell, so no point on nerfing it. This. The Manic is a very well-done specialist mob. Threatening but doesn't spawn that often. Has actual counterplay and therefore takes some skill to beat. Etc. If only Nullifiers were this fair. Payday 2 style Auto-Kill mechanics do not belong in a long-progressional game like this. Where years of work suddenly mean nothing -.- Down with Anti-Progression! Down with Manic. Complete removal. And by progression you mean essentially letting your mods and gear play the game for you? Edited March 25, 2015 by Sonitorum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROSING Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Let's wait for a corpus mini-boss now :D Throw in a Hyena or two each mission. Maybe even in pairs. Like that tactical alert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnakeWildlife Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Throw in a Hyena or two each mission. Maybe even in pairs. Like that tactical alert. Yes! Hyenas were actually fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farge Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 I think the Manic is fine being as strong as it is, considering that only one can spawn per mission and even lets you prepare by signaling his presence about 10 seconds before he spawns. I'm not sure where this idea of "anti-progression" with the mob came about - the game isn't going to progress gameplay-wise if you're unwilling to adapt new strategies for new encounters. Stop expecting to be able to employ the exact same tactics for everything and instead put some thought and practice into the Manic encounter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revel72 Posted March 25, 2015 Author Share Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) I never got killed by Maniac, just dodge the attacks lol this ''mini-boss'' is supposed to be strong as hell, so no point on nerfing it. Talk about him not being strong is like complaining this game being too easy since everybody is playing as Rhino Prime. Be glad that humanity is allowed to be at least slightly stupid. That includes me (I managed to trigger my car's anti thief system accidentally. Because I never thought what would trigger it) Edited March 25, 2015 by Revel72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthAzuma Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) ITS IN I think they should be keept in, because everyone who is high level can talk bull because there high level and can one hit kill all bosses... its time to give people the late veteran a CHALLENGE! And honestly don't we think its time to stop complaining and man up and face the challenge head on! Edited March 25, 2015 by StealthAzuma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekrojiji Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 hes stronger then most bosses lol esspecially at high levels . However very fun to 1v1 melee with him if you know how to move instead of waiting to get jumped lol You can actualy shoot him while he charges towards you :)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revel72 Posted March 25, 2015 Author Share Posted March 25, 2015 Hmm... What do you guys think about should DE test run their weapons before they releases them? Also including the warframes what are released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inappropriatename5818 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 He should be an assassin. Buff him more and make him come after you with the whole lights flicker and everything. Heck, he has better kit than stalker. If you'll take the game into this direction might as well make stalker replace lancers and G3 instead of butchers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkholde Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 I love the Maniac just the way he is, awesome. I love that he is a threat, that he has a great annoying laugh that really makes you want to smash him while smiling at the same time, and overall he's just a great design. OP, I think you are bugged though because I dont see the bleed that high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Lube Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 The reason why people hate the Manic so much is because he is an actual enemy, instead of a glorified loot pinata. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MumblesMcphatty Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 OP - were you in a nightmare mission - otherwise that sounds like a bug - never had 300 per tick dmg from the Manic. He should be an assassin. Buff him more and make him come after you with the whole lights flicker and everything. He is basically a mini-assassin/boss - I don't see why he needs the super annoying flicker as well when he has audio cues. Where years of work suddenly mean nothing -.- Down with Anti-Progression! If this is all it takes to make your "years of work" mean nothing - you clearly weren't working very hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkholde Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 He is basically a mini-assassin/boss - I don't see why he needs the super annoying flicker as well when he has audio cues. Awesome audio cues at that, as if you really can't hear him laughing at you then you really do deserve him jumping on your back and giving you a smiley face. :) /agreed that some turn minor issues into life and death changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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