Crazy Fan Theory - Warframe Design Genders, Guardian Origins

[Morec0]

@Morec0 so what youre saying is the rampant Rhino in rhino p index is a former guardian?

 

What? No. No no no no no!

 

NO Guardians were harmed in the making of the Warframes. As I said in the post, the Warframes are basically just pictures drawn of the Guardians, not something crafted from their flesh.

 

Whether or not they started doing this when the Rhino creature was a thing, though, I couldn't say. Maybe they started using their looks before the Tenno were introduced to the project, maybe they only started that after.

 

Pretty much this, it's cute that people believe DE have the lore all planned out but if they did we'd have all the codex entries for Warframes by now, and as far as I'm aware the Arid Eviscerator still doesn't have lore attached to it despite being scanned...2-3 weeks ago?.

 

DE are making things up as they go along.

 

At the start, for sure. But I think that, now that they have a heavily dedicated fanbase and people like me, Niko, Sadistic, Mobisu, Toxic, and SO many others that are just CHEWING on EVERY scrap of lore we can get, Steve or whoever's taken the time to think "okay, so how DOES all this piece together".

 

Fuzzy as it may be, I think he has a generally rough idea.

[UltimateSpinDash]

Interesting thought. I always theorized that Stalker, after surviving the murder of the Orokin, somehow exposed himself to Void Radiation or something like that to make himself a Tenno and fight them on their level, and managed to create a specialised Warframe for himself.

 

I never thought that he may have been the model for Excalibur... In that case, the other lower guardians may have resembled Nova, Loki or other Frame we know today, but we may never know since they are most likely dead.

[Morec0]

Interesting thought. I always theorized that Stalker, after surviving the murder of the Orokin, somehow exposed himself to Void Radiation or something like that to make himself a Tenno and fight them on their level, and managed to create a specialised Warframe for himself.

 

I never thought that he may have been the model for Excalibur... In that case, the other lower guardians may have resembled Nova, Loki or other Frame we know today, but we may never know since they are most likely dead.

 

Well, I still think that happened, and following that he crafted his own specialized Warframe around his own body - hence why, despite being Excalibur-shaped, it's pretty much completely different.

[(PSN)PillarOfWar]

....or it could be that the devs did whatever the heck they wanted without considering the lore at all.

That and it's getting worse

[-Vane-]

What if The Guardians were the first attempt at creating Warframes, but failed because they used technogy, hence why they couldn't fight. They needed technology to fight, which vs sentinents didin't go well. We all know that if you aren't prepared Stalker is a formidable foe, so what if Tenno were a lower race after all, but didin't depend on use of technology like Stalker, this is also why Tenno can master only four powers. Because they can't use the technology the Stalker used.

I consider Tenno as a second generation. Prepared to fight without technology, only with their trusty swords and guns.

Just my theory on that. It also doesn't contradict with the thread, just a diffrent take on Low Guardian-Tenno relations.

Edited May 21, 2015 by NyancraftG

[321agemo]

What? No. No no no no no!

 

NO Guardians were harmed in the making of the Warframes. As I said in the post, the Warframes are basically just pictures drawn of the Guardians, not something crafted from their flesh.

 

Whether or not they started doing this when the Rhino creature was a thing, though, I couldn't say. Maybe they started using their looks before the Tenno were introduced to the project, maybe they only started that after.

 

yeah the rhino creature was what i actually instigating, sorry if my question was abit unclear.

[(PSN)MoRockaPDX]

Yes, but no specific part of the DS-that-never-happened is in any way confirmed to be historical in the setting of Warframe, that's the point I'm making. We have 3 distinct Haydens here:

* Hayden Tenno of the released Dark Sector, technocyte infected, ex-Agency black ops.

* Hayden Tenno of the Dark Sector pitch video, star of a single player game that never happened, wearing a robotic suit with no visible organic material

* Hayden Tenno of Warframe, mentioned in inscriptions on Warframes and confirmed by Word-of-God to be the "first Tenno"

We have no reason to assume that any of the attributes of any of these Haydens match any of the others.

Lol. Well, 4/10th of Dark Sector Hayden applies to Warframe Hayden. We just don't know what. The remaining 6/10th I agree with you on.

[Morec0]

* Hayden Tenno of the Dark Sector pitch video, star of a single player game that never happened, wearing a robotic suit with no visible organic material

 

I'll be perfectly honest: the way it sort of grows and morphs in the video (and only has a heat signature when doing so) kinda reminded me of some kind of bio or biomech suit.

 

But I dunno.

[(PSN)MoRockaPDX]

I'll be perfectly honest: the way it sort of grows and morphs in the video (and only has a heat signature when doing so) kinda reminded me of some kind of bio or biomech suit.

But I dunno.

The Guyver has been cited multiple times by the dev's as a influence. Knowing the Guyver is kind of a litmus test with me, lol.

[SilentMobius]

I'll be perfectly honest: the way it sort of grows and morphs in the video (and only has a heat signature when doing so) kinda reminded me of some kind of bio or biomech suit.

 

But I dunno.

 

I see what you're saying, but the heat signature thing was IMHO definitely a "switch to stealth mode" thing, all the softer material went black and vents sealed up. Rather than the production of a head signature when "morphing"

Edited May 21, 2015 by SilentMobius

[Lightsmith]

If you look at Dev reactions when people bring up IS / HOW Warframe is connected to DS they cringe, they don't want it connected. Stop trying to connect it.

[Morec0]

If you look at Dev reactions when people bring up IS / HOW Warframe is connected to DS they cringe, they don't want it connected. Stop trying to connect it.

 

They REALLY just need to flat out say "DS and Warframe don't take place in the same universe" then.

[(PSN)MoRockaPDX]

They REALLY just need to flat out say "DS and Warframe don't take place in the same universe" then.

They did. By saying that Dark Sector is NOT a prequel to Warframe. As a spiritual source it has about 4/10 relevancy. So, expect any content from DS to be heavily retconned.

[Papa_Nuk_Nuk]

At the start, for sure. But I think that, now that they have a heavily dedicated fanbase and people like me, Niko, Sadistic, Mobisu, Toxic, and SO many others that are just CHEWING on EVERY scrap of lore we can get, Steve or whoever's taken the time to think "okay, so how DOES all this piece together".

Fuzzy as it may be, I think he has a generally rough idea.

Appreciate the callout.

Still working on an Operator Log part 2.

Yeah we like lore, it's why Ordis' words mean so much, especially the word choice.

[Papa_Nuk_Nuk]

From what I understand, DS and Warframe are in different universes. Hayden Tenno's was the first Tenno, but he's a mysterious and obscure character in the Warframe universe. Since WF is a spiritual successor to DS, the names the same, but Tenno from DS and Tenno from WF aren't the same. Period. Who the WF Tenno is remains to be seen, other than the "first" Tenno which might just be a reference to DS and get retconned.

[Urlan]

To me, the game has no background if DarkSector isn't something of a prequel, their isn't any lore established that stands on its own outside the ideas established outside of the older idea for the game; not to mention without Warframe giving a what happened after the 'Great Plague' mentioned in the ending of DarkSector; DarkSector has no real closure to its story either. The game makes sense within the logic of events after an Earth scouring disaster allowing Corporations and the rich elite to take over society and move to the stars, Honestly, saying that DarkSector is not in the same universe requires in universe explanation for me, since the Proto Armor directly references it, the Mire directly references the Great Plague that the world is supposedly moving toward in the ending of DarkSector, the explanation for infested in Warframe ties neatly into the Orokin using that past biomechanical infection as a weapon and a way for the Grineer to make their organic looking versions of modern day weapons. Taking DarkSector out of the equation makes non of the setting we have experienced so far, make sense for me honestly. There is nothing for it to come from.

[Akavakaku]

I think the intention is that Dark Sector just requires a few retcons to fit into Warframe lore.

[Jakcal]

To me, the game has no background if DarkSector isn't something of a prequel, their isn't any lore established that stands on its own outside the ideas established outside of the older idea for the game; not to mention without Warframe giving a what happened after the 'Great Plague' mentioned in the ending of DarkSector; DarkSector has no real closure to its story either. The game makes sense within the logic of events after an Earth scouring disaster allowing Corporations and the rich elite to take over society and move to the stars, Honestly, saying that DarkSector is not in the same universe requires in universe explanation for me, since the Proto Armor directly references it, the Mire directly references the Great Plague that the world is supposedly moving toward in the ending of DarkSector, the explanation for infested in Warframe ties neatly into the Orokin using that past biomechanical infection as a weapon and a way for the Grineer to make their organic looking versions of modern day weapons. Taking DarkSector out of the equation makes non of the setting we have experienced so far, make sense for me honestly. There is nothing for it to come from.

Those are just references like you said, in the Order 1886 I think there was a sack boy. That was a just a reference to a popular game on the same system. Unless sack boy is officially a character in the Order :O

Like previously stated, Dark Sector is just a game they draw influence from.

[Urlan]

A reference to a sackboy is fine, its like alternate skins in the Batman Arkham series, it doesn't effect anything except the player and nothing in game ties into the reference it makes - it doesn't fit into the game at all - its just a look that the game allows you to use. The Proto Armors reference -in game- in the the text descriptions stuff that no one in game should have any idea of if DarkSector wasn't in the same continuity. The descriptions saying they are from before the Orokin Empire gives grounding to their shared existance. Saying that the armor 'seems' to have been from a different time and place or even winkingly suggesting that the Proto Armor was recovered during excavations during peactime in a Dark Sector node would have stopped any kind of intellectual bleed.

 

Your example, instead, to have the same weight universe wise would have to describe the Sackboy within the Universe of the Order 1886 as being part of the universe of Order 1886. That is a what a creator might call an 'Easter Egg'; a doodad or insignificant decoration that still might have significance or resonate with the creators or target audience. In this case, the Proto Armor and other ties to DarkSector are a 'creative hook' something that binds too or more creative works into a shared universe. Similar examples would be like Marvel explaining the backgrounds of the Ultraforce after erasing members of the original team with Marvel's purchase of Malibu comics. By bridging these two storylines into one, the comic writers hoped to build off of a shared setting where otherwise, just saying the Avengers, X-Men, and Ultraforce never even heard of each other would have been absolutely acceptable given that they were from different comic companies entirely. Similar things have been done for years in both comics and other entertainment media where storytelling and character intellectual properties are important concerns. It can be safely assumed that was the intent with the Proto Armor since it didn't need any description linking it to DarkSector at all for the Easter egg purpose and helps build an ancient aspect to the suits linking somewhat to DarkSector for Warframe.

 

In DarkSector's case the comparisons are especially interesting since Warframe here is pretty close to the original idea for DarkSector while DarkSector became something of an Origin story for the universe and concepts used in the later version of DarkSector going back to the original idea but wth a new name - Warframe.

[Morec0]

A reference to a sackboy is fine, its like alternate skins in the Batman Arkham series, it doesn't effect anything except the player and nothing in game ties into the reference it makes - it doesn't fit into the game at all - its just a look that the game allows you to use. The Proto Armors reference -in game- in the the text descriptions stuff that no one in game should have any idea of if DarkSector wasn't in the same continuity. The descriptions saying they are from before the Orokin Empire gives grounding to their shared existance. Saying that the armor 'seems' to have been from a different time and place or even winkingly suggesting that the Proto Armor was recovered during excavations during peactime in a Dark Sector node would have stopped any kind of intellectual bleed.

 

Your example, instead, to have the same weight universe wise would have to describe the Sackboy within the Universe of the Order 1886 as being part of the universe of Order 1886. That is a what a creator might call an 'Easter Egg'; a doodad or insignificant decoration that still might have significance or resonate with the creators or target audience. In this case, the Proto Armor and other ties to DarkSector are a 'creative hook' something that binds too or more creative works into a shared universe. Similar examples would be like Marvel explaining the backgrounds of the Ultraforce after erasing members of the original team with Marvel's purchase of Malibu comics. By bridging these two storylines into one, the comic writers hoped to build off of a shared setting where otherwise, just saying the Avengers, X-Men, and Ultraforce never even heard of each other would have been absolutely acceptable given that they were from different comic companies entirely. Similar things have been done for years in both comics and other entertainment media where storytelling and character intellectual properties are important concerns. It can be safely assumed that was the intent with the Proto Armor since it didn't need any description linking it to DarkSector at all for the Easter egg purpose and helps build an ancient aspect to the suits linking somewhat to DarkSector for Warframe.

 

In DarkSector's case the comparisons are especially interesting since Warframe here is pretty close to the original idea for DarkSector while DarkSector became something of an Origin story for the universe and concepts used in the later version of DarkSector going back to the original idea but wth a new name - Warframe.

 

While I've argued this same thing before, I'm going to play Devil's advocate:

 

The Starcraft Tauren Marine: http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Tauren_marine

 

It was given a background description, actually a pretty detailed lore, it appeared in-game in a few places... But as most Starcraft Lore enthusiasts will tell you, it's non-canon. It's not going to appear in any of the books, it's not going to have any impact on the story, it's just a fun little reference to another property of theirs.

 

For Blizzard and the Marine it's Warcraft.

 

For DE and Proto-armor it's Dark Sector.

 

 

But, ultimately, this all remains to be seen and confirmed or denied as we learn more about the Warframe universe.

[(PSN)Shadowfoxx307]

Wouldn't it be simpler to say that the warframes were based on the void energy altered bodies from the original children exposed to the void on that one ship. And that they were put into cryosleep (probably to keep them from going insane and killing everything around them) and the Orokin used their genes to attempt to create perfect obedient clones of those children ? (as per Rhino Prime Codex) 

 

 

It would be a logical conclusion why for example all the Volt Warframes look the same, because all the "Volts" are all clones of the original "Volt" that wore the Volt Prime Warframe. 

 

With that being said I do agree that the Guardians could have acted as trainers to the Tenno, that makes alot of sense

Edited May 22, 2015 by (PS4)Shadowfoxx307

[Morec0]

Wouldn't it be simpler to say that the warframes were based on the void energy altered bodies from the original children exposed to the void on that one ship. And that they were put into cryosleep (probably to keep them from going insane and killing everything around them) and the Orokin used their genes to attempt to create perfect obedient clones of those children ? 

 

 

It would be a logical conclusion why for example all the Volt Warframes look the same, because all the "Volts" are all clones of the original "Volt" that wore the Volt Prime Warframe. 

 

With that being said I do agree that the Guardians could have acted as trainers to the Tenno, that makes alot of sense

 

Thing is, "all Volts" isn't accurate. There is no ONE "type" of Tenno that wears a single type of Warframe. The Warframes are completely interchangeable, completely wearable by any Tenno - seemingly regardless of their own physicality (whatever that is, however that's possible). The singular player character we play as, for example, can go from wearing a Chroma Warframe one moment to a Nekros to the next to a Rhino and then to a Nova, all at will (though I will say the instantaneous switching MAY simply be a game mechanic, though I wouldn't say it takes us DAYS to switch frames).

Edited May 22, 2015 by Morec0

[(PSN)MoRockaPDX]

Thing is, "all Volts" isn't accurate. There is no ONE "type" of Tenno that wears a single type of Warframe. The Warframes are completely interchangeable, completely wearable by any Tenno - seemingly regardless of their own physicality (whatever that is, however that's possible). The singular player character we play as, for example, can go from wearing a Chroma Warframe one moment to a Nekros to the next to a Rhino and then to a Nova, all at will (though I will say the instantaneous switching MAY simply be a game mechanic, though I wouldn't say it takes us DAYS to switch frames).

This^

[Jakcal]

What if during the Orokin war there were only one of each Tenno :OOOOO

Not sure how why what but should could but I am right

[(PSN)Shadowfoxx307]

Thing is, "all Volts" isn't accurate. There is no ONE "type" of Tenno that wears a single type of Warframe. The Warframes are completely interchangeable, completely wearable by any Tenno - seemingly regardless of their own physicality (whatever that is, however that's possible). The singular player character we play as, for example, can go from wearing a Chroma Warframe one moment to a Nekros to the next to a Rhino and then to a Nova, all at will (though I will say the instantaneous switching MAY simply be a game mechanic, though I wouldn't say it takes us DAYS to switch frames).

I still refute this, because I think it's the most idiotic half-baked explanation DE could of come up with, but I guess if it's considered canon now that's whatever

 

If the Warframe models were based off of the Guardians I don't feel the Stalker would of referred to himself so humbly in his codex as a "low Guardian"  That doesn't sound like someone who was the "best of the guardians" and was chosen to be the template for Excalibur. 

 

I don't feel the Stalker, was anyone special during the time of the Orokin, if he was, I don't feel he would of survived because it seemes as though with these recent Simaris entries that the Grineer hunted the Orokin to extinction aside for the few that remained and became the Corpus,

 

And on another note, tell me what is the significance of the Orokin keeping those children alive after they recovered them from the ship ? They kept them alive for a reason, the beast we assumed to be Rhino stopped dead from a violent rage at the sight of these children for a reason.

 

We know the Orokin loved to clone things that preformed well like that one lucky little Lancer, it's not really that far of a stretch to say that the current Tenno are clones of a small group of originals, warframe swapping nonsense aside.