Trylobyte Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 So I got into some pretty good debates about the syndicates lately and it got me thinking about them. Their dual natures, their pros and cons, who's good and who's bad. The standout is Red Veil. Pretty much everyone I talked to hates Red Veil. And that got me thinking, what are Red Veil's redeeming qualities? How do they operate? What do they do, and why? The Red Veil is led by a mysterious individual about whom little is known. They're dedicated and loyal to their cause. They aspire to achieve balance in the Origin System and are described as being quite honorable, but don't seem to live up to it. In practice, however, they're viewed by everyone else as violent terrirosts running around at the word of their enigmatic leader butchering people and blowing stuff up in the name of achieving vaguely-defined objectives with no real master plan that they know about. And we, the Tenno, love to hate them for it. We, the Tenno, who are led by a mysterious individual about whom little is known. We Tenno who are dedicated and loyal to our cause. We Tenno who aspire to achieve balance in the Origin System and are described as being quite honorable, but don't seem to live up to it. We Tenno who are viewed by everyone else as violent terrorists running around at the word of our enigmatic leader butchering people and blowing stuff up in the name of achieving vaguely-defined objectives with no real master plan that we know about. We love to hate the Red Veil, but what does that say about us? They are us. They're following our example. And we hate them for it. You are a fire. As feared as you are respected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--RV--Meta Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Another of these Syndicate threads eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BirdOfSong Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) Red Veil is Edginess *Intensifies* Edited June 1, 2015 by BirdOfSong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Rainecho Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 And what exactly is your plan, so that it can be only achieved through millions of murders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trylobyte Posted June 1, 2015 Author Share Posted June 1, 2015 And what exactly is your plan, so that it can be only achieved through millions of murders? Dunno, ask Lotus. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Rainecho Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 So, you're just a member of a syndicate you know nothing about. All those mindless murderers. . .for what purpose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleDelta Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Before syndicates were around the red veil felt like the Rebel alliance. Now its the steel meridian that feels more like the rebellion, and the red veil seems more like the sith empire.. ( If that makes any sense ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetroFallout Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) Before syndicates were around the red veil felt like the Rebel alliance. Now its the steel meridian that feels more like the rebellion, and the red veil seems more like the sith empire.. ( If that makes any sense ) That doesn't make sense since the Meridian and the Veil are both allied, thus the comparisons kinda fall flat. A better comparison would be using classifying them as Paragon or Renegade like in Mass Effect since they both want the same thing. Meridian's methods would be the Paragon method, protecting the weak, innocent and helpless when the danger comes, you know you can count on them to do the right thing ethically. Veil's methods would be the Renegade method, removing the threats to the weak, innocent and helpless by any means necessary before they can harm anyone, thus they are more morally grey or even dark grey given their good intentions but extremist execution of said intentions. Edited June 1, 2015 by MetroFallout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleDelta Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 That doesn't make sense since the Meridian and the Veil are both allied, thus the comparisons kinda fall flat. A better comparison would be using classifying them as Paragon or Renegade like in Mass Effect since they both want the same thing. Meridian's methods would be the Paragon method, protecting the weak, innocent and helpless when the danger comes, you know you can count on them to do the right thing ethically. Veil's methods would be the Renegade method, removing the threats to the weak, innocent and helpless by any means necessary before they can harm anyone, thus they are more morally grey or even dark grey given their good intentions but extremist execution of said intentions. Exactly! definitely better explained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Grihaly Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 You dare compare our Glorious Lotus to those psychotic f*ckers?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat_Has_My_Pipe Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Anyone who supports any Syndicate besides Steel Meridian is only worried about their own gain at this point. I remember when Red Veil wasn't so bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)LordPuck Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 You dare compare our Glorious Lotus to those psychotic f*ckers?! Does Lotus ever let me fling flaming bags of poo????? I think NOT :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvid Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 You dare compare our Glorious Lotus to those psychotic f*ckers?! Say what you will, it's an accurate assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout751 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 OP's right, and for everyone saying "oh it's all without purpose" - no. There's a very clear purpose. They're allied with Steel Meridian and they want to purge corruption, so fit the puzzle pieces together and realise that the Red Veil are trying to tear down the Grineer and tear down the Corpus in revenge for what they've done to colonies, even resorting to using the Infested to this end. Red Veil's a sword, Meridian's a shield. Where's Morec0 when you need him, he explains this far better than me. You dare compare our Glorious Lotus to those psychotic f*ckers?! You say that without even proposing a reason why the Lotus is any different when a clear comparison's already made in the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
011100110110000101101101 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 You dare compare our Glorious Lotus to those psychotic f*ckers?!She's a mysterious lady that orders Void-powered super soldiers to murder everything for a non-identified reason other than "balance."She's just as sketchy as the Veil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Grihaly Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Wow, 4 salty replies in a row xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetroFallout Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 The Veil's honestly more complex that most of the other Syndicates. Some people see them as edgy terrorists, others see them as heroes who aren't afraid to get their hands dirty to save people, yet others think that they are just villains on work-release (like DC's Suicide Squad). No one knows what their intentions are beyond what was already stated before so all those could be equally valid. The other syndicates are a lot more simple in comparison. The Meridian's the boring, dependable one who picks up after the mess the Veil made. The Cephalons are too preoccupied with knowledge (not unlike nerds perpetually studying). Perrin's out to make money. Hexis is just a bunch of elitist jerks. Loka's the worst, a bunch of purity fanatics who will undoubtedly turn on the Tenno for their transhuman/superhuman-ness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
painovoimaton Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Bluh bluh red veil edge edge "so misunderstood" bluh bluh red and black hate edge bluh Shut up already they are cool and you know it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
011100110110000101101101 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Wow, 4 salty replies in a row xDSalty?I'm not salty, just informing you of our evil overlord's corrupt use of the Tenno. You can't say she's not overly suspicious when she tells her loyal soldiers absolutely nothing about the world around them other than it's unbalanced. She's secretly a Grineer councilor who is using the Tenno to attain higher positions of power. *Puts on tin-foil hat* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WERElektro Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Wtf? I'm not like the red fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboticApplesWithLasers Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 You dare compare our Glorious Lotus to those psychotic f*ckers?! how many soldiers has lotus sent to die. How many soldiers has red veil killed with help of tenno We truly can't compare lotus, she is far worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)LordPuck Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Wow, 4 salty replies in a row xD You miscounted.. I'm not even a member of Red Veil and too much salt is bad fer ya ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WERElektro Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 how many soldiers has lotus sent to die. How many soldiers has red veil killed with help of tenno We truly can't compare lotus, she is far worse. I think torture is worse than "Just " killing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
011100110110000101101101 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 I think torture is worse than "Just " killing.He's a Grineer.He kinda deserves it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WERElektro Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 He's a Grineer. He kinda deserves it. Naaaaaw D: Imagine they did this to lady steel meridian! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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