Equinox's Wierd Energy Drain?! Help!

[Odai]

Can someone explain me how the Energy consumption is calculated?

 

If I use Intensify and Fleeting Expertise:

+ 30% power

+ 60% efficency

- 60% duration

= no change in energy consumption per second (3.5)

 

If I use Transient Fortitude:

+ 5% power

- 2.5% duration

= consumption rises 3.5 -> 3.59

 

It makes no sence at all to me that Intensify and Fleerting Expertise alone or together doent change the cost, but Transient Fortitude does. O.o

 

Is that a bug or can someone explain it to me?

Edited February 13, 2016 by Odai

[SmashMeat]

Toggle abilities like Mend and Maim's energy consumption rate is affected by duration as much as efficiency. For maximum efficiency you want Streamline + some duration mods. In this case, Fleeting Expertise hurts more than it helps. This is how it works on all toggle abilities.

[Kalvorax]

its due to the duration affecting toggled abilities that DE did a few patches back

[vazerd68]

drain = unmodded * efficiency / duration

[(PSN)StressedChickens]

Negative duration has the same impact blind rage would on efficiency. Fleeting offsets it's own negative duration where transient fortitude doesn't.

[NEONOVUS]

Add a streamline to the fleeting and see a significant drop in energy consumption.

Fleeting alone cancels itself, add streamline or + duration and it suddenly has an impact.

[Sannidor]

That's why Primed Continuity is mandatory for these kind of builds, you need to counter-balance Fleeting Expertise.

[YasaiTsume]

That's why Primed Continuity is mandatory for these kind of builds, you need to counter-balance Fleeting Expertise.

Or just use a Rank 3 Fleeting and maxed Streamline for 170%

[Odai]

drain = unmodded * efficiency / duration

 

ah okay so + duration reduces the drain, thats really wierd and unintuitiv somehow

[SmashMeat]

ah okay so + duration reduces the drain, thats really wierd and unintuitiv somehow

It may seem like it, but most of these frames (Excalibur, Valkyr, Ember, Wukong, etc) Benefit from high duration anyway, so it just means you can focus your build and dont have to spread it out as much

Edited February 13, 2016 by LevitatingNarwhal

[evil_m3nace]

Fleeting Expertise hurts more than it helps.

this is untrue, the only way to achieve minimum drainage with energy is to use fleeting expertise.

 

Edited February 13, 2016 by evil_m3nace

[Zeyez]

drain = unmodded * efficiency / duration

 

its more like this table from the warframe.wikia:

 

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if you have 12,5% duration, works like that you have exponentially increased energy consumption (the table keep the maximum of 175% normal energy consumption)

and if you have 200% duration, your energy consumption will be reduced by 50% (remember the handcap is 25%)

works like that you have logarithmic equation, that give some benefits while you keep your duration up, but punish too much while reduced

 

 

looks like they changed the table a bit, since previously shown some values beyond 175% energy consumption... but still works for this

Edited February 13, 2016 by Zeyez

[(PSN)xXToastiButterXx]

Or just use a Rank 3 Fleeting and maxed Streamline for 170%

All day, every day this

[Tulzscha]

Please be advised, we have a specific subforum for advice/tips/asking for help:

 

https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/318374-please-read-before-posting-threads-what-is-and-isnt-general-discussion/

 

Moved to the proper section.