(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted May 19, 2016 Author Share Posted May 19, 2016 17 hours ago, Deshiel said: Yes and the quest related to Umbras will explain why we didn't have them in the first place. though in all honesty it may be the primes were the first run of orokin tech installed warframes and umbra's are then next gen units as excal prime is featured in derilect vault , meaning it was around durring the orokin era and not just a new variation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted May 19, 2016 Author Share Posted May 19, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, KinetosImpetus said: Ok so I probably participated in those old conversations, but here's my current thought. Prime = Orokin Prototype Umbra = Orokin Production Model Regular = Tenno Mass Produced copies with performance reduced slightly because of need to build them quickly and cheaply and not having the capability to build Umbras. that makes more sense or at least primes -first gen orokin model umbras - second gen models in all honesty it reminds me of the show android #009 vs the high numbers androids were the origionals in red and the high teens were black netflix has a new version if you need an example (devilman vs android #009) origional # High number Edited May 19, 2016 by (XB1)EternalDrk Mako Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)joe03827 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 6 hours ago, BornWithTeeth said: snip i never said that i thought my theory is fun nor i said that umbras are ze originals , i said that maybe the tenno used the umbra frames to kill the orokin , and lotus hid them to hide the fact from us and hide who we are and what we did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)joe03827 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 This just came to me , what if we got Excal Umbra noggles , OMG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)ToothlessApollo Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 3 minutes ago, (PS4)joe03827 said: This just came to me , what if we got Excal Umbra noggles , OMG I think we should start getting regular prime noggles too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted May 19, 2016 Author Share Posted May 19, 2016 6 minutes ago, (XB1)ToothlessApollo said: I think we should start getting regular prime noggles too +1 to umbra noggles + primes im making an excal army vs a stalker +acolytes Ive recently added prisma /vanilla nogles + space mom being protected :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatose Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 (edited) Theory: If a Tenno - the operator's physical body - dies while connected to a Warframe, their mind partially transfers to the Warframe. The mind is incomplete and damaged, but now a standalone Warframe, the shadow of the Operator's mind now running the Umbra frame. Stalker was one of there. Worth noting that in the second dream, it's implied by Hunhow that Stalker was an operator - but the tense is was, not is, meaning he's not an operator anymore. Thus, the theory. Edited May 19, 2016 by Phatose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted May 19, 2016 Author Share Posted May 19, 2016 2 minutes ago, Phatose said: Theory: If a Tenno - the operator's physical body - dies while connected to a Warframe, their mind partially transfers to the Warframe. The mind is incomplete and damaged, but now a standalone Warframe, the shadow of the Operator's mind now running the Umbra frame. Stalker was one of there. Worth noting that in the second dream, it's implied by Hunhow that Stalker was an operator - but the tense is was, not is, meaning he's not an operator anymore. Thus, the theory. ya thats another one ive contemplated on... it seems very logical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XideBeast Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 anyone think that Umbra will come out in The War Within ? or after it with his own cinematic quest ? I think it will be in TWW ( The Wa....) cause I remember that De only mentioned it " it is gonna be a part of something big" Hope this quest is "Big" enough to bring Umbra to us..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)WINDMILEYNO Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 On 5/17/2016 at 1:48 PM, EmptyDevil said: I have a somewhat similar thought but it's not specifically related to Umbra. I don't particularly think the actual Tenno body is wearing the armor in a literal sense. Something that kinda sticks out to me since The Second Dream is what Ballas said: "...it's about the other rejects we consigned to Lua a few years ago. They're calling it... Transference." I found it odd that he used the words "the other rejects", so i did some musing and wondered if he meant something else as well. What if some of the earlier experiments with Transference literally transferred the Tenno mind into the surrogate body, instead of projecting it? These rejects wouldn't be the best for immortal soldiers because they don't have a way to return to their original body upon death. The surrogate is their new body now. It would basically look like this: Failed Transference Original body > Link > Surrogate with Tenno(can't return to original body) Successful Transference Original body <> Link <> <Surrogate with Tenno(original body still accessible) I'm thinking this might be the nature of some Warframes, if not all. It could fit with this as well: "All your dread-long life, you've waited for this moment. But you're asking yourself, 'Was I one of these wretched things?' You know the answer. You still hate them. You still hate yourself." Makes more sense than the salty stalker-killed-his-operator theory too. Basically a Tenno could wear the Warframe(it's fancy outer layer), but they would be whatever the surrogate is underneath. This is what I will think for the rest of my life, and no argument will sway me. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted May 20, 2016 Author Share Posted May 20, 2016 1 hour ago, XideBeast said: anyone think that Umbra will come out in The War Within ? or after it with his own cinematic quest ? I think it will be in TWW ( The Wa....) cause I remember that De only mentioned it " it is gonna be a part of something big" Hope this quest is "Big" enough to bring Umbra to us..... i did a poll and got 55% think war within Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted May 20, 2016 Author Share Posted May 20, 2016 20 hours ago, Phatose said: Theory: If a Tenno - the operator's physical body - dies while connected to a Warframe, their mind partially transfers to the Warframe. The mind is incomplete and damaged, but now a standalone Warframe, the shadow of the Operator's mind now running the Umbra frame. Stalker was one of there. Worth noting that in the second dream, it's implied by Hunhow that Stalker was an operator - but the tense is was, not is, meaning he's not an operator anymore. Thus, the theory. with reason its possible that the shadows are like this, as the orokin used the "empires rejects" to create new soldiers based on the accident that happened with the operators(tenno who are childlike) its possible adult, criminals, convicts were used to create soldiers that had the minds/consiousness permanently pushed to their frames and restricted vocals to be whispers as they were not really made to talk through a frame, but if that is the case, it in part explains why stalker and acolytes have so much HP and variant powers. they need a bit more buff as when they "die" in the frame its more permanent , this is possibly explains how misery could summon the others at the end as they were not just a surrogate body but a body possessed by a consciousness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)joe03827 Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 (edited) I think that Umbra will have an appearance in The War Within , but a minor one . I think he'll fully release U19.5 or possibly U20 ( this phrase will flame wars lol ) Edit : reading the whole thread is tiresome Edited May 20, 2016 by (PS4)joe03827 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted May 20, 2016 Author Share Posted May 20, 2016 1 hour ago, (PS4)joe03827 said: I think that Umbra will have an appearance in The War Within , but a minor one . I think he'll fully release U19.5 or possibly U20 ( this phrase will flame wars lol ) Edit : reading the whole thread is tiresome lol told ya xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)joe03827 Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 21 minutes ago, (XB1)EternalDrk Mako said: lol told ya xD I'm still on page 18 , i cry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)joe03827 Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 (edited) I had a horrible dream about Umbra excal , and some other stuff , it was sooo horrible Edit : i just realized . I PASSED 100 POSTS gimme a cookie Edited May 21, 2016 by (PS4)joe03827 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted May 22, 2016 Author Share Posted May 22, 2016 On 5/21/2016 at 7:54 AM, (PS4)joe03827 said: I had a horrible dream about Umbra excal , and some other stuff , it was sooo horrible Edit : i just realized . I PASSED 100 POSTS gimme a cookie -hands cookie- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)MK Ultra K11 Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 On May 19, 2016 at 11:34 AM, (XB1)EternalDrk Mako said: though in all honesty it may be the primes were the first run of orokin tech installed warframes and primes are then next gen units as excal prime is featured in derilect vault , meaning it was around durring the orokin era and not just a new variation Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)MK Ultra K11 Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 On May 21, 2016 at 9:54 AM, (PS4)joe03827 said: I had a horrible dream about Umbra excal , and some other stuff , it was sooo horrible Edit : i just realized . I PASSED 100 POSTS gimme a cookie What was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)joe03827 Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 13 minutes ago, (XB1)MK Ultra K11 said: What was it? Oh god you're making me remember lol Anyways , So Excal Umbra had less gold bits , BUT HIS HELM LOOKED SO TERRIBLE . I don't remember there being a quest in the dream . I also remember seeing a skin for rhino that made him look like a weird infested thing , it was a thing A THING (lol) Excal's helm was carved weirdly it was so bad , Community wasnt pleased with him I don't remember much tbh im sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)MK Ultra K11 Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 9 minutes ago, (PS4)joe03827 said: Oh god you're making me remember lol Anyways , So Excal Umbra had less gold bits , BUT HIS HELM LOOKED SO TERRIBLE . I don't remember there being a quest in the dream . I also remember seeing a skin for rhino that made him look like a weird infested thing , it was a thing A THING (lol) Excal's helm was carved weirdly it was so bad , Community wasnt pleased with him I don't remember much tbh im sorry I had a dream of an awesome excal skin that made him actually look like a knight also it worked with WARFRAMES art style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)joe03827 Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Im sorry >~< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)MK Ultra K11 Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Just now, (PS4)joe03827 said: Im sorry >~< It's fine, though I'm guessing you were dreaming of lore due to you thinking of the rhino infested skin which relates to rhinos codex. So it fine, I'm just happy to talk about umbra until his release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)joe03827 Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 45 minutes ago, (XB1)MK Ultra K11 said: It's fine, though I'm guessing you were dreaming of lore due to you thinking of the rhino infested skin which relates to rhinos codex. So it fine, I'm just happy to talk about umbra until his release. ACTUALLY The Rhino Infested skin made him look like infested , you know the red infested blob near the the door in the orbiter ? yh .Rhino looked EXACTLY like that , change the red to yellow and in thee dream he was at a grineer door , also there was a nova skin , it wasn't bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)MK Ultra K11 Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 12 minutes ago, (PS4)joe03827 said: ACTUALLY The Rhino Infested skin made him look like infested , you know the red infested blob near the the door in the orbiter ? yh .Rhino looked EXACTLY like that , change the red to yellow and in thee dream he was at a grineer door , also there was a nova skin , it wasn't bad So he was just a blob waking around. You should of tried to control your dream a little more to try and play him with that skin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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