Umbra Warframes (Discussion Thread)

[(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako]

 

 

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U19 & Umbra Straw Poll

http://www.strawpoll.me/10493850

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A reminder to everyone, to not troll or spread mis-information on Excalibur Umbra. We understand you want him. However spreading mis-information will only lead to posts being removed and the thread might even get locked. ~NovusNova

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Please review the info before posting questions

What is Excalibur Umbra?

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Excalibur Umbra is an upcoming Excalibur variant based on "Shadow Sanctuary Sword Prime", otherwise known as Umbra Excalibur Prime, a founder's pack exclusive in Star Armor: WARFRAME, the Chinese version of Warframe. It is not a skin for Excalibur, but an entirely separate Warframe with (presumably) its own stats and polarities, similar to how Prime variants have their own stats and polarities. DE has stated that Umbras will have something to set them apart from Primes, but what that could be is anyone's guess.

some Chinaframe Pictures 

Is the Excalibur Umbra Prime and International build's Excalibur Umbra the same?

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When initially discussed it was stated to be virtually identical, but with some slight changes 

Steve Tweeted a rough guesstimate, this could be him joking or simply a rough estimate as this was tweeted earlier on 

 

There also will be PBR tinting of the model

 

 

Didn't DE say that Excalibur Prime would never return? 

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Excalibur Prime is not returning.

Umbra Excalibur Prime has different stats from our Excalibur Prime, and is limited to the Chinese version of Warframe which for all intents and purposes is an entirely different game.

Excalibur Umbra is going to be a direct upgrade to the standard Excalibur warframe that will be available to all tenno new and old 

What will Excalibur Umbra's stats be?

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currently globals Excalibur umbra's stats are unkown

We however, know the stats for Umbra Excalibur Prime. Comparison of stats (unranked):

Excalibur Prime could get a buff to match 

Current stats of Excalibur Prime

Health

100.0 (300.0 at rank 30)

Shield

100.0 (300.0 at rank 30)

Armor

250.0

Power

100.0 (150.0 at rank 30)

Current stats of Excalibur 

Health

100.0 (300.0 at rank 30)

Shield

100.0 (300.0 at rank 30)

Armor

225.0

Power

100.0 (150.0 at rank 30)

 

 

 

 

 

Current stats of Umbra Excalibur Prime (u17 stats)

Health

100.0

Shield

100.0 

Armor

255.0

Power

150.0

 

 

 so if Umbra Excalibur Prime is better than Excalibur Prime so will excalibur umbra?

we do not know if the globals Excalibur umbra and China's  Excalibur Umbra Prime will have the same stats

It's also worth noting that the Chinese version of the game is balanced differently. Also, who knows what could happen?

possibly Excalibur prime could get a buff or globals umbra will not reflect the china based stats 
 

 

Powers of Global Builds Umbra Excalibur 

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[Excalibur Umbras Powers]

• Umbra Excalibur possibly has the same powers as standard Excalibur and is just a "upgrade" version for general users, as the Excalibur Prime is Exclusive to founders. so a global side upgrade to Excalibur Prime without treading on founders exclusives content.
• The powers displayed by the china variant EXCALIBUR UMBRA PRIME, show the same basic abilities of Excalibur and Excalibur Prime (umbra release video in news section )

With the original Excalibur powers in mind it should be

1. slash and dash
2. radial blind
3. radial javelin 
4. exalted blade

Umbra Passive:

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It is believed that Umbras will have their own passive that separates them from their prime counterparts

This has not been verified , if there is a Umbra passive it is unknown at this time 

Is Umbra Excalibur in the game files already?(datamining)

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Please remember datamining is a breach of Warframe's EULA. I don't recommend or condone datamining, because you're breaking an agreement that you willfully made with DE. Remember that the game is still in beta and you are participating in its development as a proof of concept before full release. Please be respectful and law-abiding, Tenno. However, given Umbra Excalibur's supposed aesthetic similarity to Umbra Excalibur Prime, and that Umbra Excalibur Prime is already available in the Chinese version, which runs on the same game engine, it's safe to assume that Umbra Excalibur would be very easy for DE to roll out if it's not in the global build's files already. Just be patient, it will be revealed when the time is right.

[Is Excalibur Umbra just a Reskin?]

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Excalibur Umbra is a SEPARATE frame and is not a RESKIN of Excalibur like prisma or proto , but he can wear all Excalibur related cosmetics 

Per [DE]Danielle:

Hey Tenno, 

 

Although we appreciate the intrigue we have shared all available plans for Excalibur Umbra at this time on the Forums and in Devstreams #58, #61, #64, and #65. Simply put, we do not want to release Umbra as a reskin. Instead, we are focused on giving it systemic depth and integrating it as a unique component to the game. 

 

We will continue to update you here on the Forums and in the devstreams as we work to develop Umbra's overall concept. 

 

Thank you ^.^

 

How Do We Obtain Umbras?

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the Umbra system was initially discussed by DE on this topic

• This is most likely referring to the actual implementation of how we obtain umbra(s) in game, similar to how we acquire prime parts in the void and derelict or possibly via a quest like inaros. 
• Currently how we obtain an umbra is not known at this time , but Many are hoping its Linked to theup comming quest featured in U19 war within
• some things discussed [see u19 tab below]

The  Umbra Warframes 

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the description of frames to follow Excalibur Umbra are called the

Umbra Warframes

• A darker side to the  Prime Warframes
• Lore connections : (Warped version of Warframes)

• Umbra warframes is to be a limited series, some will get Umbra variants but not all
• (every Frame will get a prime someday, but not all frames will get an umbra)

• Umbra Excalibur hopefully will be coming this year

 Regarding to The Scarf Cosmetic]

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The Scarf as seen in many Images/Vids is possibly a toggleable item in the global builds excalibur umbra.

But according to our chinaframe source in stararmor,  it is not a toggleable auxiliary on Excalibur Umbra Prime which our global umbra is based on 

It is Unknown at this time whether or not the "scarf" is an auxiliary item that may or may not be exclusive to Umbra warframe(s) global build

Currently it can be worn with a Syandana,

leading us to believe it could become an auxiliary like valkyr's Bonds, or could at the least be made as a auxiliary item.

weather its permanent or toggleable in the global build is yet to be addressed by DE at this time 

But when reviewing many images of excalibur umbra, there seems to be an inconsistency in its length and size

Changed lengths:

Back View:

SIde:

[scarf reference info: not-translated]

Reference images/video:

 

 

[Thread Log][7/29/2016]

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if your unsure of infos location please ask in a pm/post 

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• CONGRATS ON 200+ pages EVERYONE!

 

[ The purpose of this thread is to help those new to the umbras concept, or looking for more info to easily locate it. And prevent more Umbra question post/threads from appearing]

I personally hope the devs can pull from the discussion(s) for ideas and gain new concepts for the further development of Warframe

~ Mako

 

[News][7/10/2016]

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Section Contains info from DE or Dev streams

"Excalibur Umbra" is to be released in 2016 to our knowledge..... Hopefully U19 War Within

"With the release of U18 we have more time to focus on doing a proper release of Excalibur Umbra. We will definitely provide more information on the Umbra release when we're closer to launch."

Changyou Post & Translated 

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http://tieba.baidu.com/p/3908840845?pn=0&

On the international forums, there has been a discussion led by Rebecca with regards to the Chinese warframe. This discussion has lead to confusion over what the Umbra Excalibur, Nikana, etc etc. Therefore, we have had a discussion with DE in that effect.

As Rebecca has mentioned, we will be release a series of Umbra warframes (not skins), it is possible that there will be an umbra Excalibur as the first of the umbra series however the "Originator's" (which means founder) umbra Excalibur prime will not be commonly available. The Umbra Excalibur Prime is an exclusive warframe developed by DE for the Chinese version of warframe and is only available to "Originators". This warframe will not appear in game to purchase under the market nor will it drop in game. We (Changyou) and DE has finalized and agreed on this and will not be changing our position on this.

In other developments, the Prime (samurai blade or Nikana) and Prime (drill/screw Kunai) will not be on sale in the market and neither will it drop for China warframe players. These weapon are also exclusive to China warfame "Originators".On the international side however, these weapons will be released under an unknown format (might be event? market? Prime Access or anything that DE can think up of) after China warframe's Originator's pack sale have concluded

Dev Stream Info

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[DEV #67]

Excalibur Umbra & the Umbra warframes

• A new system is being worked on for the Umbra warframes 
• Excalibur Umbra will possibly have his own quest/cinematic
• DE wants to make Excal Umbra release something special, and do not want to just release him, and disappoint the fans

[DEV #71]

• DE-Rebecca jokingly States "Steve has been sent to another dimension in search of umbra"
• per DE:  "We unfortunately don`t have any new information to share on Excalibur Umbra, but we know you guys are still clamoring for him! We`ll provide more details as to his arrival the moment we have more details on his release. "

[Dev #72]-april fools?

Umbra will be coming.... [SOON]... 

• Rebecca made a comparison to the second dream, about how if DE had revealed info it would have spoiled it. which was true,  it was a BIG surprise that finally answered some questions we all had. 

[DEV #72 recap]: 

• Umbra is [soon] to come , and will be apart of some game changer similar to the second dream: [Steve: " its nice to have little surprises"] 
• De has stated that Excalibur Umbra will be apart of something big that will be coming our way,  they may be referring to the next cinematic quest 
• From what was discussed, the next quest will have some sort of new entity/enemy?, which may be the reasoning behind the umbras development/creation?
• another thing the new quest may answer is that big question...what are warframes? The second dream answered what the tenno really were [operator] so maybe?
• currently no specific date of release was specified or mentioned 

Dev 72 quotes:

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• Steve:  makes a joke :"If you don't come, you won't get Umbra!" <- relating to the upcoming con event [thats just evil was noted by some]
• Rebecca: "Do you want them to kill us?!"
• Steve: " please forgive me "
• [fast forward] 
• Rebecca:"but, since you brought it up" 
• [fast forward some more....] 
• -Steve :"its coming, sorta soon, its part of a big deal, its going to be awesome and then we can move on to something else ...."
• Rebecca: "you cant blame them for being this passionate" 
• Steve: " I know cause its awesome  !"

Dev 74 :

" If players had known exactly what The Second Dream revealed before they played it, the experience would have been ruined"

- The situation with Umbra Excalibur is similar to this
• currently there is a plan for how Umbra Excalibur will be introduced into the global build, and development has been done - basically its no longer in the planning stages
• The only reason there is so little information on Umbra is to prevent spoilers and hopefully make the experience more enjoyable for players new and old
• No current ETA for Umbra's release other then 

per novusnova:

"The radio silence about Umbra has been deafening in the face of all your questions, but we have been tight-lipped for a reason. Much like the identity of the Tenno for the Second Dream quest, any discussion about Umbra will spoil the lore that will be introduced by upcoming updates. There is no definitive release date, but keep an eye (and an ear) out for more info as it comes out!"

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Dev 76:

Please note:

the figure seen in this is NOT Umbra per DE

they specifically stated that the  figure in the Junction is not (an) Umbra, NOT that UMBRA wouldn't be in U19.

a few tenno seem to misinterpret the words due to a language barrier or second hand info. please 

DEV 76 time-stamped 

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DEV 7#

 

Umbra Warframe Reveals and info

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Excalibur Umbra ^{Note:stats/vids from china variant}

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Excalibur Umbra: the First Umbra Warframe

Release date: TBD 

Powers:  presumably same as any Excalibur

Polarities : TBD

Passive :TBD

Released in :TBD

 

 

Next umbra?:

TBD

 

Lore:

 

 

 

[Discussion][5/13/2016]

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 NOTE:

All concepts provided are conjecture and are theorized by participants of the thread, not solid info at this time, all solid info provided by DE can be found in the [News] section

Thank You: to the participants for you input and discussions 

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Discussions so far :

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We've gone with the premise that the umbra warframe(s) is a shadow/dark, or inverted version of our standard frames, possibly stronger then the standard counterparts which are derived from the orokin (prime) technology

now that we know about the Operator / Tenno connection [second dream], here is some food for thought:

Umbra(s) could have been designed to be one of the many a limiting factors for the tenno by the orokin, possibly the negators, it could be a neutralizer type to suppress tenno powers, similar power to what the stalker exhibits in combat.

The stalker frame may be an umbra prototype or linked in some way as of yet undetermined in how umbras are created or wielded.

The only concept we know for sure is from lore he is of the lower guardian cast, and shadow stalker exhibits similar appearance in U18 second dream update. 

(for more info on stalker & umbra review the [stalker] section of post  

Another thought is that it was designed specifically to combat the Sentient by the Orokin. possibly tailoring its skills and stats to suit the adaptive combat style of the Sentient, void energy may be a crucial part of this concept

recently many have commented on it being affiliated with the twin queens who we see in the warwithin teaser , for ease of discussion please refer to them as wormqueen and elder queen 

others have discussed that its a frame that moves of its own will and is not operator controlled 

U19 & Excalibur Umbra

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Many Tenno are hoping that Umbra Excalibur is released in U19 an up and coming update for warframe 

Featuring many new features/fixes & content

• kavats
• starchart
• lunaro
• war within (quest)
• ???

There have been discussions on u19 and its possible link to umbra, some concepts brought forth is

• The Twin queens (orokin/loreists?) and their possible connection to umbras
• that Umbras might be autonomous non-operator bound warframes 
• that Umbras are a second generation of primes created with questionable science
• that Umbras are in fact [link to explanation] >Full Transference< warframes (operator loses body and posses warframe) similar to how the Avatar movie ended

U19 : The Game Plan 

courtesy of Steve and NovusNova

RELEASE PLAN 

Part I: Lunaro
Part one will be called LUNARO. This team sport promises to reinvigorate the Conclave for those Tenno that didn’t have a taste for Tenno blood. We are releasing Lunaro later this week on PC! 

Part II: Specters of the Rail
Part two will be called SPECTERS OF THE RAIL. This is the Solar Map 3.0 update and we’re planning for release just a couple weeks after Lunaro. It’s why I wake up in a cold sweat most nights. This update contains a redesigned navigation system, a redesign of the Void/Key system (your collection still matters, earning wll be a bit different but there is no 'content lock out'), Kavats and a few interesting surprises for old and new Tenno alike. Pray for me.

Part III: War Within
Part three will be called WAR WITHIN. This update will be dropped in and around TennoCon and contain our next ambitious cinematic quest. We’re excited for Tenno to face up against the Grineer Queens, learning more of their mysterious past… but be warned: as in the Second Dream, we intend to grow and alter the game mechanics in surprising ways with War Within. We want to surprise and delight you.
THANKS FOR READING"

Steves Thread on the subject

From: https://forums.warframe.com/topic/659575-the-war-within-less-wait-more-update/?page=1

So hopefully by tennocon, everything for U19 should be released. including consoles also i hope

 

Theories

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Metamorphosis Theory 

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• there has been a few variations on this concept, discussed early on and recently 
•  the premise is that a warframe (vanilla) changes to the umbra variation 
• permanent change is the premises , but a temporary variation was also discussed 
• some variations include

1. a story line quest that triggers the metamorphosis (specific to equip the vanilla variant) 
2. a series of trials (in stages) that must be completed in order to acts as a catalyst to morph the standard to the umbra variant  (discussion of equipping an umbra catalyst "item" like inaros urn in trials)
3. in mission trigger (enemy, boss) that causes the change via cinematic change and battle 
4. a sequence of events that lead to a rebirth 

• with this concept in mind, instead of grinding for parts of umbra variants , it allows for player an engaging trial to achieve the umbra variant.
• which may make it more fun/worthwhile while also removing the need to delete vanilla variations many currently poses, and use them to gain the umbra variation.
• thus limiting them to gain one per the standard variation used in the trial/mission/quest. thus further allowing for expansion of umbra warframe pool to be brought on as trials are discovered, revealed 

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Autonomous Warframe Theory

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This has been a popular belief that umbra will somehow be an non operator bound warframe

many discussion have had variations on how this is done, and it revolves around the Transference system 

Transference and  link system: 

So what would happen to the operators "consciousness" if their own body was lost while in link to a warframe

so as we understand it  the standard works as such

Standard Transference

operator body <neural interface> Surrogate body

this system is best displayed in the movie "avatar"  featuring similar surrogate body manipulation

 with this we can still access the original body and even control the warframe while awake (second dream operator is awake/aware and controls frame from orbiter) 

now let us reflect on a subject of the how an autonomous warframe would be possible

Full Transference( Forced full integration of operator consciousness into surrogate body) 

operator body <neural interface> Surrogate body

this may partially answer the stalkers lack of an operator or why they are spoken to hunhow about what it once was 

"All your dread-long life, you've waited for this moment. But you're asking yourself, 'Was I one of these wretched things?' You know the answer. You still hate them. You still hate yourself."

[Stalker And Umbra Theory]:

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Due to many Discussion this has images and reference sources 

Shadow Stalker & Excalibur Umbra]

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One of the biggest topics discussed in the thread is the Stalker in relation (directly or indirectly) to Excalibur Umbra

 U18 info

Exaclibur Umbra prime and Shadow Stalker design similarity

 has been noticed by many Tenno, with slight changes in the ornamental parts 

some discussion on the stalker being an umbra base, prototype, or that the "Umbra Excalibur" might very well be a playable stalker warframe were discussed

possibly redemption or salvation of the stalker was also discussed  

 

Shadow Stalker Models

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Comparison Images: Excalibur Umbra Prime & Shadow Stalker

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Acolytes and umbra?

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another theory that was conceived is that the acolytes might be a indicator of  frames that could obtain a umbra variation 

while the shadowdebt event is NOT related to umbra, specifically stated By DE in devstream 67

it was discussed that it may be possible that the stalker and his acolytes  are the "limited" pool of warframes that will have an umbra alternative, there is no evidence to support this, it is just a hypothesis.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 [Misc][7/25/2016]

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[Fan-section]

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ART

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nyx /steve? umbras by VexPrime

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Ember umbra variant by Blazingcobalt 

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Umbra RHino by DLgrave 

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By SlendyNamemie aka prime day

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Umbra : Alt helms/colors/cosmetics

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How are these found?

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one method to find  Umbra screenshots

quick guide:

Go to this link:

https://www.google.com.hk/

(Google China)

Copy and paste either one of these:

战甲 暗影圣装圣剑

暗影圣装圣剑

and search tenno

 

miscellaneous images

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Edited August 7, 2016 by PsychedelicSnake
Fixed Bungled Up Thread Title

[Nah_NotReally]

So I'm over here thinking:

 

Some kid is out there controlling the Stalker the same way the Warframes are being controlled. So maybe that kid gets her pesky little brains on a warrfame suit and thus the Umbra Warframe is born. We snag that badboy and have our own molded by the mind of the kid controlling the Stalker.

[(PSN)jFresh215]

it does seem like these will surely be darker versions. I wonder if the abilities will change somewhat. We do know that

shadow stalker uses the excal umbra body with his orginal helm

This also makes me think that the frames will be cleansed versions of dark tenno frames.

[CrimsonSkies00]

I guess excal umbra is replica of sentient.

They scans warframe to study their power and reproduce.

I think later we will got all kind of sentient warframes.

Inferno ember? Terror rhino？ 

Edited December 8, 2015 by CrimsonSkies00

[Tsuk1ya]

Well no nikana for me then T^T 

Edited December 8, 2015 by jowellgaz

[(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako]

it does seem like these will surely be darker versions. I wonder if the abilities will change somewhat. We do know that

shadow stalker uses the excal umbra body with his orginal helm

This also makes me think that the frames will be cleansed versions of dark tenno frames.

 

that has some thought

 

ive speculated before of them being a shadowed or dark warframe, but if they are sentient replications that are tenno usable...

[(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako]

So I'm over here thinking:

 

Some kid is out there controlling the Stalker the same way the Warframes are being controlled. So maybe that kid gets her pesky little brains on a warrfame suit and thus the Umbra Warframe is born. We snag that badboy and have our own molded by the mind of the kid controlling the Stalker.

 

 

i thought due to the second dream it was a rouge warframe, working through hatred of tenno for destroying the orokin.

 

with help of the sentients..... war 

 

if stalker is / was umbra or a proto umbra what does that signify and why would the orokin create them  

 

I know lore wise there was restrictions and "chains" on the tenno that the lotus released us from.

 

could the umbras have been a means of controlling the tenno. as the stalker can neutralize our power

 

that neutralization power is interesting because  a wave characteristic of energy/light is shown here

 

if to waves of equal and inverted forms meet they will cancel out 

 

so they could have been the orokins tools for control. being our inverted /opposites they could cancel out our powers, and subjugate tenno frames easily if other restrictions on power for us were implemented 

 

its noted that most tenno first time fighting stalker dosnt go well, so this poses a interesting thought 

[(PSN)Redemption_015]

Well no nikana for me then T^T

Nikana Prime and Kunai Prime are being released for us along with Umbra. Thats been confirmed by DE and ChangYou. Making any of these items exclusive to China would spell doom for DE. Edited December 8, 2015 by (PS4)Redemption_015

[(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako]

usually its a 30 day exclusive for china , then we get it :/ 

[PapaFragolino]

Those informations from Chang You mean nothing to us, since they're talking about their chinese version of Warframe.

 

 

Chinese Warframe ≠ Warframe

[(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako]

Those informations from Chang You mean nothing to us, since they're talking about their chinese version of Warframe.

 

 

Chinese Warframe ≠ Warframe

thats true, but im just listing out what info i can find, and be verified 

 

 

These weapons are  exclusive to china warframe originators. but on the international warframe aka global build, these will be most likely released under prime access along with the scarf 

[LavenderLaser]

Umbras are gonna be moon primes. I've been saying that since it was announced.

[khazlol]

Hey lets hope it isn't released as some st00pid prime vault deal

[SeraIngvir]

I figured that Umbras are just frames under an alternate branch of the Tenno military hierarchy. i.e. Recon group, guerilla warfare infantry, personal guards, etc.

[(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako]

I figured that Umbras are just frames under an alternate branch of the Tenno military hierarchy. i.e. Recon group, guerilla warfare infantry, personal guards, etc.

thats very logical and has merit

Umbras are gonna be moon primes. I've been saying that since it was announced.

why moon primes? i see them as our negatives, counterparts

Hey lets hope it isn't released as some st00pid prime vault deal

there is mention of Excalibur umbra prime 

[Phatose]

Shadows are not focused light.  Umbras will have better stats, but no access to the focus system, neither growth or use.

[OniDax]

Umbras are gonna be moon primes. I've been saying that since it was announced.

 

If that were the case (and I believe that would be the smart thing to do), then Excalibur Umbra would've been released with U18. But it wasn't, because DE, for whatever reason, still hasn't figured out how to introduce Umbras. Personally, I think they're just stalling because of ChangYou. Probably don't like the idea of their exclusive not being so exclusive (especially since Excalibur Umbra will be visually similar to Excalibur Umbra Prime).

[(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako]

Shadows are not focused light.  Umbras will have better stats, but no access to the focus system, neither growth or use.

maybe they will have their own shadow focus

[LavenderLaser]

If that were the case (and I believe that would be the smart thing to do), then Excalibur Umbra would've been released with U18. But it wasn't, because DE, for whatever reason, still hasn't figured out how to introduce Umbras. Personally, I think they're just stalling because of ChangYou. Probably don't like the idea of their exclusive not being so exclusive (especially since Excalibur Umbra will be visually similar to Excalibur Umbra Prime).

Nah. It probably has more to do with Frost Vault Unsealed. Apparently we won't really be getting the moon until after we blow up the towers (U18.5?).

[Cat_Jam]

I'm hoping that Umbras have boosts to ability stats rather than warframe stats just so that they're on par with Primed frames and are not a complete upgrade... 

[(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako]

they are supposed to have stats close to primes 

 

but different

 

so similar but not identical 

[LavenderLaser]

they are supposed to have stats close to primes 

 

but different

 

so similar but not identical 

From what we know from Chinaframe, Excal Umbra Prime has a higher stat and a lower stat compared to Excal Prime. Whether that carries over to WF international...we'll have to wait and see.

[VoidNomade]

In my opinion umbras don´t belong a single bit in the general build. Let them china guys have them but let me alone with those cheap teenager trie hard "badassy" flavour of the month and forced exclusive content for a complete different audience.

[(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako]

i suspect it will be close to it , but they do have freedom to change it

[(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako]

In my opinion umbras don´t belong a single bit in the general build. Let them china guys have them but let me alone with those cheap teenager trie hard "badassy" flavour of the month and forced exclusive content for a complete different audience.

ya those do get annoying ......