What exactly happened to ash?

[(PSN)CoolD2108]

A friend of mine bought me the new skin so i looked into him for the first time in forever and i just gotta ask...what exactly happened to him? My setup was max efficiency, max range and i found a bladestorm that drains 3,5! energy per enemy.

 

That's a average of 7 enemys for what it had in its prior state, isn't that a bit too much? Is there any way to play him efficiently? 

[-N7-Leonhart]

Use Smoke Screen, reduces the cost from 15 to 10.

P.S: Oh, and forget the old way you used to play Ash. You need to adapt yourself to a new playstyle or you will find it severely lacking from it's previous spammy form.

Edited December 18, 2016 by -BM-Leonhart

[Sarattas]

2 minutes ago, (PS4)CoolD2108 said:

Is there any way to play him efficiently? 

Yeah, you can use your other abilities and weapons for example. Then use your 4th ability as finisher from time to time instead of clicking it over and over again :P

[TrickshotMcGee]

INB4 "Ash is dead" posts.

 

But yeah, like said above me - Don't spam BS, and use it on priority targets. 

[(PSN)CoolD2108]

3 minutes ago, TrickshotMcGee said:

INB4 "Ash is dead" posts.

 

But yeah, like said above me - Don't spam BS, and use it on priority targets. 

or i could us teleport on priority targets?..

[(XBOX)Zhoyzuu]

hes better now. You dont get stuck bladestorming everything while everyone and the objective dies. also fatal teleport is the bees knees.

[-Amaterasu-]

He got Ashy..._{I'll see myself out...}

But as others have said just use smokescreen more and don't spam BS save it for heavier enemies that won't die in a second anyway.

[Dragazer]

 

 

19 minutes ago, -Amaterasu- said:

He got Ashy..._{I'll see myself out...}

But as others have said just use smokescreen more and don't spam BS save it for heavier enemies that won't die in a second anyway.

IDK why ppl say use BS on Heavy enemies when teleport does the exact same function but cheaper

 

Edited December 19, 2016 by Dragazer

[-Amaterasu-]

2 minutes ago, Dragazer said:

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Because teleport only works on one target and leaves you open to attack, if you're fighting infested and getting swarmed with ancients then BS is way better, if you're fighting corpus and just got a nullifier's bubble down then fatal teleport would probably be the way to go it's about situation but in the end it isn't worth the energy it costs on anything that isn't a heavier enemy unless you have an EV trin.

[Dragazer]

3 minutes ago, -Amaterasu- said:

Because teleport only works on one target and leaves you open to attack, if you're fighting infested and getting swarmed with ancients then BS is way better, if you're fighting corpus and just got a nullifier's bubble down then fatal teleport would probably be the way to go it's about situation but in the end it isn't worth the energy it costs on anything that isn't a heavier enemy unless you have an EV trin.

LOL what are you smoking?

Except for the fact ancient disruptors nullify ability dmg by 90% and ancient healers safeguard enemies from your bleed procs and make them practically immune to your dmg.

BS is the absolute worse to use in that situation.

Edited December 19, 2016 by Dragazer

[-Amaterasu-]

2 minutes ago, Dragazer said:

LOL what are you smoking?

Except for the fact ancient disruptors nullify ability dmg by 90% and ancient healers safeguard enemies from your bleed procs.

BS is the absolute worse to use in that situation.

Healers auras don't work on themselves and I've never had a problem killing lv 60+ disruptors with BS as long as their auras aren't stacking they're not much to worry about.

[Dragazer]

4 minutes ago, -Amaterasu- said:

Healers auras don't work on themselves and I've never had a problem killing lv 60+ disruptors with BS as long as their auras aren't stacking they're not much to worry about.

You specifically mentioned a swarm of ancients so that's moot,

In any case, doesnt matter if you can or can't kill them, it is simply redudant to do so with teleport and CL doing the job quicker

If their auras aren't stacking, that means they are alone which means teleport would still be the better option.

Edited December 19, 2016 by Dragazer

[DeckChairVonBananaCamel]

 

Just now, Dragazer said:

LOL what are you smoking?

Except for the fact ancient disruptors nullify ability dmg by 90% and ancient healers safeguard enemies from your bleed procs and make them practically immune to your dmg.

BS is the absolute worse to use in that situation.

i may be wrong, from what i can tell from playing is that healers dont just safeguard lesser infested from procs, they transfer them onto themselves. so if you bladestorm a whole crowd of healer protected enemies, that healer is going to be obliterated by slash procs

[Dragazer]

3 minutes ago, DeckChairVonBananaCamel said:

 

i may be wrong, from what i can tell from playing is that healers dont just safeguard lesser infested from procs, they transfer them onto themselves. so if you bladestorm a whole crowd of healer protected enemies, that healer is going to be obliterated by slash procs

no, dmg done to linked enemies heal the healer as well, combined with disruptor aura stacking makes it entirely pointless to try bladestorming a crowd of infested linked. 

Edited December 19, 2016 by Dragazer

[-Amaterasu-]

5 minutes ago, Dragazer said:

You specifically mentioned a swarm of ancients so that's moot,

In any case, doesnt matter if you can or can't kill them, it is simply redudant to do so with teleport and CL doing the job quicker

If their auras aren't stacking, that means they are alone which means teleport would still be the better option.

The whole game is moot if you're talking about CL disruptor auras do stack and they still die like nothing if there aren't hoards of disruptors in one group I use BS like that plenty and never have issues clearing them with it why even bother talking about this if all you're going to say is CL is better by that logic Ivara is better than Ash, you asked why use BS over teleport and that's why not everyone likes daggers and it's generally easier/better to have the invulnerability.

[Dragazer]

12 minutes ago, -Amaterasu- said:

The whole game is moot if you're talking about CL disruptor auras do stack and they still die like nothing if there aren't hoards of disruptors in one group I use BS like that plenty and never have issues clearing them with it why even bother talking about this if all you're going to say is CL is better by that logic Ivara is better than Ash, you asked why use BS over teleport and that's why not everyone likes daggers and it's generally easier/better to have the invulnerability.

Sorry, but you are completely lying, one level 100 (Sortie tier 3 levels) ancient disruptor by itself takes dozens of Blade storm casts to kill.

Because its an issue when 1 skill completely dominates another.

Smoke screen and invis is as close to invulnerable as it gets.

And yes I'll say Ivara is objectively better than Ash atm.

Ash has no unique niche or role to fill atm

CL? So can excal or ivara or Inaros

Invis? Loki or Ivara does better

Bladestorm? Any properly modded weapon kills faster than you could mark and aren't screwed over by ancient auras along with no energy cost

 

Edited December 19, 2016 by Dragazer

[(PSN)CoolD2108]

Huh, range is at least still irrelevant.

 

Found the golden line in a low range build after some HEAVY testing....one can keep the new bs active and at least finish enemys one didn't kill on passing by...what's something i guess...

 

[DeckChairVonBananaCamel]

On 12/19/2016 at 11:27 AM, Dragazer said:

no, dmg done to linked enemies heal the healer as well, combined with disruptor aura stacking makes it entirely pointless to try bladestorming a crowd of infested linked. 

not damage, procs