A-Master Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) I don't have to explain the title, have I? PvP in all the games should be something to compite against other players in the same league to prove who is better using the game mechanics. Well, to do that I suggest adding "conclave exclusive weapons" to this mode and even a "concalve warframe" to play it. There is people who says that this game is all about PvE and PvP make no sense in this game, but the truth is that all games should have a good PvP mode well designed to make players enjoy even more the game, if they want to play in this way. We need new map, new weapons, new warframes, and a new conclave mode by itself. STOP BUILDING ON THE S#&$ YOU MADE (excuse if my english is so bad xD) Edited February 7, 2017 by A-Master Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phasedragon Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Wow, so constructive. In other words: you want matchmaking. That's it. That's the entire thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VisionAndVoice Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, A-Master said: I don't have to explain the title, have I? If you're posting it in the "Feedback" and not "Off-topic" section - yes you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Master Posted February 7, 2017 Author Share Posted February 7, 2017 I'm sorry I used contr*enter when I was writting it and I didn't know it would be posted incomplete. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VisionAndVoice Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 7 minutes ago, A-Master said: Sorry if you have read the post until I finished it. Things like this make me think that we need "downvote" button. 8 minutes ago, A-Master said: Well, to do that I suggest adding "conclave exclusive weapons" to this mode and even a "concalve warframe" to play it. There is people who says that this game is all about PvE and PvP make no sense in this game, but the truth is that all games should have a good PvP mode well designed to make players enjoy even more the game, if they want to play in this way. We need new map, new weapons, new warframes, and a new conclave mode by itself. STOP BUILDING ON THE S#&$ YOU MADE That's not an improvement at all. First, because it's too fuzzy to be meaningful, second, because we already have it. Variant modes are exactly that, modes where players are put on exactly the same terms, with all frames having equal stats (so the difference is purely cosmetic) and equal weapons as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Master Posted February 7, 2017 Author Share Posted February 7, 2017 11 minutes ago, VisionAndVoice said: Things like this make me think that we need "downvote" button. And how could I know the comand to post with enter was ctr+enter? come on, I know it was my bad but everyone can have a mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Master Posted February 7, 2017 Author Share Posted February 7, 2017 12 minutes ago, VisionAndVoice said: with all frames having equal stats (so the difference is purely cosmetic) lol? then is tha same if you play valkyr as if you play ash or ivara. Of course... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phasedragon Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Just now, A-Master said: lol? then is tha same if you play valkyr as if you play ash or ivara. Of course... Yes, actually. That's exactly how the variant modes work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Master Posted February 7, 2017 Author Share Posted February 7, 2017 Just now, Phasedragon said: Yes, actually. That's exactly how the variant modes work. And is this right? Variant modes are not the main mode to play, and it should be the one who gives more equality to players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phasedragon Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Warframes are already fairly equal. Removing the small differences they have would be removing choice. If you have any specific warframe or weapon in mind that is not equal, and is either underpowered or overpowered, then by all means make a post on that. But don't just make such a broad statement as the entirety of conclave being badly designed when you just mean a few things should be adjusted. The dev team listens to balance requests, they do not listen to incoherent ranting and wide generalizations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaero Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) 27 minutes ago, A-Master said: And is this right? Variant modes are not the main mode to play, and it should be the one who gives more equality to players Haven't you noticed how many players complain about variant modes lately? You know why? Because of lags. That's the main problem. If Warframe had servers of the same quality as, let's say, Overwatch, then it would be much clearer how to balance it. But I guess that's not gonna happen considering Warframe is mostly PvE-oriented game and conclave itself is not popular so spending additional resources on it is pointless to DE. Edited February 7, 2017 by Ksaero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyriann Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, Ksaero said: Snip 1 hour ago, A-Master said: Snip You forget some details. Firstly, how costly it is to maintain servers, overwatch is a Blizzard game, one of the most revered and we'll doing online game creators in existence, these guys have capitals literally dedicated to maintaining those monstrously powerful servers of their's. Second, the fact that Overwatch is a PvP focused game, contrarily to Warframe which was originally PvE only. Third, that there is an entire PvP section in DE now dedicated to Conclave since more than a year, working extremely hard to balance out the capabilities of each and every weapons to each other so that everything approaches maximum equality. And finally, that perfect balance is impossible to create, as people will always find something working slightly better than the rest, or create an optimized way of doing certain things that will stomp our everything else. I am not interested in PvP personally, but, if you want to see it improve, that is not by simply blatantly state the obvious that things will move forward. For servers, DE is as of now creating the principle of player created dedicated servers, lowering the strain on DE servers and offering possibly faster pings for many players across the globe. For balance, as I've pointed they have a team working hard to try and have every crazy idea they have in PvE to work fairly in PvP without throwing off balance. So think as a player about what feels wrong, how it is, explain it, and propose how to change it, then discuss of it with the community to offer our devs a hand to correct and improve those aspects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VisionAndVoice Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 4 hours ago, A-Master said: And is this right? Variant modes are not the main mode to play, and it should be the one who gives more equality to players I see nothing wrong with it. If you do, it's your problem, not the mode's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Ali_AmmarKh Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 👏 if 👏 you 👏 dont 👏 like 👏 conclave 👏 dont 👏 play 👏 it 👏 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Radek-98 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) On Wednesday, February 08, 2017 at 2:45 AM, (PS4)Ali_AmmarKh said: 👏 if 👏 you 👏 dont 👏 like 👏 conclave 👏 dont 👏 play 👏 it 👏 "Bu-but the catalysts and reactors" "We are forced to play this event because of the rewards" I'm really tired of dealing with this "argument". Edited February 9, 2017 by (PS4)TheKiller9805 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Xx-Ribbium-xX Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 The problems that conclave have daikyu hitboxes making the arrows hit when they aren't supposed to snipers being able to destroy every other weapon type effortlessly melee channeling being broken and not balanced at all when it comes to the combos causing the user to be next to impossible to hit and high damage output along with reflecting bullets back at users. And them taking no damage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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