So about the slide attack macro

[ChuckMaverick]

11 minutes ago, Knight_Ex said:

Bumping because as I said before not letting this die until DE actually responds or finally gives a straight answer as to what their stand on slide attack or any marcos in the game really, because if they have nothing against it I plan on using one myself.

DE's position on macros was posted on the first page of this thread...

No sane games company would ever attempt to be comprehensive about what is allowed or not allowed when it comes to macros, unless their stance is 'no macros', which isn't DE's position as you can see from the linked thread.

[-Shikari-]

15 hours ago, ChuckMaverick said:

DE's position on macros was posted on the first page of this thread...

No sane games company would ever attempt to be comprehensive about what is allowed or not allowed when it comes to macros, unless their stance is 'no macros', which isn't DE's position as you can see from the linked thread.

Still doesn't put clear boundaries, which I am sure is what the OP is after.. 

[ChuckMaverick]

2 minutes ago, EnterTheShikari said:

Still doesn't put clear boundaries, which I am sure is what the OP is after.. 

As I said in the post, you're very unlikely to get that.

Attempting to clearly define boundaries just leads to rules-lawyering and players trying to push those boundaries, most companies define principles in general terms and leave the interpretation to a case-by-case basis.

[SilvaDreams]

14 minutes ago, EnterTheShikari said:

Still doesn't put clear boundaries, which I am sure is what the OP is after.. 

Actually yes the boundaries are very clear but people whom don't see it don't Want to see it because then they can claim ignorance because they are either using the macro or wanting to and trying to find a reason to make it okay in their mind.

Edited March 10, 2017 by SilvaDreams

[CeePee]

17 hours ago, Knight_Ex said:

Bumping because as I said before not letting this die until DE actually responds or finally gives a straight answer as to what their stand on slide attack or any marcos in the game really, because if they have nothing against it I plan on using one myself.

I've used my macros for almost 4 years now, you'll be fine. Join us, we have cookies.

Just don't use a repeating macro to AFK farm.

[ComCray]

[Omnimorph]

35 minutes ago, CeePee said:

I've used my macros for almost 4 years now, you'll be fine. Join us, we have cookies.

Just don't use a repeating macro to AFK farm.

Bingo, it really is that simple.  There's nothing wrong with the odd Autohotkey macro to automatize a portion of what you're doing, it's when the totality of what you're doing is automated by means of macros that it's ban-worthy.  

The devs want you to play the game they've lovingly made, not press a button and browse porn while your toon does tricks.

[Silence00]

I am in favor of banning macros altogether. Been playing for a long time and have never used them in Warframe. 

Boltace spammers are obnoxious to me, and while I'm at it so are Mirage/Simulor spammers. 

Why play a game if you're going to have the hardware play it for you. 

 

 

 

 

Get off my lawn.

[-Shikari-]

13 minutes ago, Silence00 said:

I am in favor of banning macros altogether. Been playing for a long time and have never used them in Warframe. 

Boltace spammers are obnoxious to me, and while I'm at it so are Mirage/Simulor spammers. 

Why play a game if you're going to have the hardware play it for you. 

 

 

 

 

Get off my lawn.

Some people have carpal tunnel like me. But I bound slide to 7 on my mouse, quick attack to 8. Razar naga helps a lot with slide attacks. 

[Knight_Ex]

Well allow me to bring another little timbit to to the table, me and a few other people conducted some tests on Akkad, one person was equipped with a Telos boltace, not using a marco....least we don't think, anyway we all started with unranked melee weapons equipped, no other weapons, I had an attrax, someone had galatine prime another had telos boltace and the last person had secura lecta.  Now we went 25 waves in Akkad as we didn't have a booster, I was only at rank 21, the other 2 were at around rank 24, the telos boltace user was at max rank by wave 19, this was all staying within range of eachother so we get the quote on quote shared affinity.  Now I'm not sure anything changed recently but I was under the impression that killing enemies faster than everyone else shouldn't give more affinity to the player, additionally we tried this out for 3 rotations, each rotation someone new took the telos boltace with the same 5 forma build and got roughly the same results.  And I just wanted to add by wave 20 I was getting tired of doing the slide attack and wouldn't mind using a macro myself by that point,  Now I'm not sure if affinity sharing is actually working as intended or this is a bug, but someone using a slide attack marco would definitely have an advantage over someone that was trying to do things the legit way, otherwise everyone would just be slide spamming their attacks with marcos and fighting over affinity gains, Mind you there are only a few weapons that take a significant advantage to this such as telos boltace....though people using the macros tend to only use this weapon.

[SilvaDreams]

15 minutes ago, Knight_Ex said:

Well allow me to bring another little timbit to to the table, me and a few other people conducted some tests on Akkad, one person was equipped with a Telos boltace, not using a marco....least we don't think, anyway we all started with unranked melee weapons equipped, no other weapons, I had an attrax, someone had galatine prime another had telos boltace and the last person had secura lecta.  Now we went 25 waves in Akkad as we didn't have a booster, I was only at rank 21, the other 2 were at around rank 24, the telos boltace user was at max rank by wave 19, this was all staying within range of eachother so we get the quote on quote shared affinity.  Now I'm not sure anything changed recently but I was under the impression that killing enemies faster than everyone else shouldn't give more affinity to the player, additionally we tried this out for 3 rotations, each rotation someone new took the telos boltace with the same 5 forma build and got roughly the same results.  And I just wanted to add by wave 20 I was getting tired of doing the slide attack and wouldn't mind using a macro myself by that point,  Now I'm not sure if affinity sharing is actually working as intended or this is a bug, but someone using a slide attack marco would definitely have an advantage over someone that was trying to do things the legit way, otherwise everyone would just be slide spamming their attacks with marcos and fighting over affinity gains, Mind you there are only a few weapons that take a significant advantage to this such as telos boltace....though people using the macros tend to only use this weapon.

The myth of leeching gets you more XP has always been that a myth. The person doing the killing gets 100% of the XP (to the weapon/frame that got the kill) while everyone else gets 50% of the XP split between All their equipped gear.

[ThunderZsolt]

Well, looks like a lot of people here don't understand how business works.

 

Do macro users have to wait the same 5 minutes for the next survival rotation? - yes.

Does using macros allow bypassing the grind? - no, only platinum and prime access does. It is already clearly stated that if you set up a macro that allows you to AFK, you get banned.

Do macro users buy platinum/prime access? - yes.

Would macro users stop buying platinum/prime access if they get banned? - definately.

Do non macro users stop playing, or stop buying platinum/prime access because of the macro users? - no.

 

What could DE, as a company, gain with banning macro users? - The game would be more "fair", people would stop complaining on the forums.

What would DE, as a company, risk with banning macro users? - Losing profit, possibly the banned players start spreading bad reputation (reddit, steam reviews, etc) leading to lose even more profit

 

Only the developers have the exact data about percentages, but it is very possible that 10% (or even more) of the PC playerbase uses macros. Also, gaming keyboards/mice are not cheap, so this part of the playerbase is willing to spend money on gaming.

Plus, the enemies you regularly encounter (up to 120) are very easily killed with maxed gear, so there is no point in using macros except being lazy - they don't allow you to kill stuff better, but with less effort.

 

TLDR: slide attack macros might get "nerfed" (like adding cooldowns to slide attacks), but asking DE banning these players is just plain stupid.

 

 

[Knight_Ex]

3 minutes ago, ThunderZsolt said:

Well, looks like a lot of people here don't understand how business works.

 

Do macro users have to wait the same 5 minutes for the next survival rotation? - yes.

Does using macros allow bypassing the grind? - no, only platinum and prime access does. It is already clearly stated that if you set up a macro that allows you to AFK, you get banned.

Do macro users buy platinum/prime access? - yes.

Would macro users stop buying platinum/prime access if they get banned? - definately.

Do non macro users stop playing, or stop buying platinum/prime access because of the macro users? - no.

 

What could DE, as a company, gain with banning macro users? - The game would be more "fair", people would stop complaining on the forums.

What would DE, as a company, risk with banning macro users? - Losing profit, possibly the banned players start spreading bad reputation (reddit, steam reviews, etc) leading to lose even more profit

 

Only the developers have the exact data about percentages, but it is very possible that 10% (or even more) of the PC playerbase uses macros. Also, gaming keyboards/mice are not cheap, so this part of the playerbase is willing to spend money on gaming.

Plus, the enemies you regularly encounter (up to 120) are very easily killed with maxed gear, so there is no point in using macros except being lazy - they don't allow you to kill stuff better, but with less effort.

 

TLDR: slide attack macros might get "nerfed" (like adding cooldowns to slide attacks), but asking DE banning these players is just plain stupid.

 

 

For the record I wasn't asking DE to ban players, I was asking for someone from DE to confirm if someone would get banned for using  them cause I  wanted to try a few out myself.

[ThunderZsolt]

Just now, Knight_Ex said:

For the record I wasn't asking DE to ban players, I was asking for someone from DE to confirm if someone would get banned for using  them cause I  wanted to try a few out myself.

Not talking about you in particular, but reading through this thread gave me the impression that a lot of players don't know what they are talking about.

[EmptyDevil]

2 minutes ago, ThunderZsolt said:

Well, looks like a lot of people here don't understand how business works.

 

Do macro users have to wait the same 5 minutes for the next survival rotation? - yes.

Does using macros allow bypassing the grind? - no, only platinum and prime access does. It is already clearly stated that if you set up a macro that allows you to AFK, you get banned.

Do macro users buy platinum/prime access? - yes.

Would macro users stop buying platinum/prime access if they get banned? - definately.

Do non macro users stop playing, or stop buying platinum/prime access because of the macro users? - no.

 

What could DE, as a company, gain with banning macro users? - The game would be more "fair", people would stop complaining on the forums.

What would DE, as a company, risk with banning macro users? - Losing profit, possibly the banned players start spreading bad reputation (reddit, steam reviews, etc) leading to lose even more profit

 

Only the developers have the exact data about percentages, but it is very possible that 10% (or even more) of the PC playerbase uses macros. Also, gaming keyboards/mice are not cheap, so this part of the playerbase is willing to spend money on gaming.

Plus, the enemies you regularly encounter (up to 120) are very easily killed with maxed gear, so there is no point in using macros except being lazy - they don't allow you to kill stuff better, but with less effort.

 

TLDR: slide attack macros might get "nerfed" (like adding cooldowns to slide attacks), but asking DE banning these players is just plain stupid.

 

 

I'm sorry, but that kind of logic is daft. I can easily change it to fit another POV:

Well, looks like a lot of people here don't understand how business works.

 

Do macro users have to wait the same 5 minutes for the next survival rotation? - yes. (completely irrelevant by the way since there are more modes than survival)

Does using macros allow bypassing the grind? - no, only platinum and prime access does, but it does allow you to experience far less of it by paying less attention to what you're doing. It is already clearly stated that if you use any macro or script, it could potentially get you banned. The chance of a ban is even greater if you AFK with a macro playing for you.

Do macro users buy platinum/prime access? - yes. (irrelevant)

Would macro users stop buying platinum/prime access if they get banned? - definately.

Do non macro users stop playing, or stop buying platinum/prime access because of the macro users? - no. Yes, some do. (pointing out that unless you're omniscience, this is a BS claim because you don't 100% know this for a fact)

 

What could DE, as a company, gain with banning macro users? - The game would be more "fair", people would stop complaining on the forums. Some players would find the game more enjoyable too, since it would eliminate something that is potentially very anti co-op.

What would DE, as a company, risk with banning macro users? - very small profit loss, possibly the banned players start spreading bad reputation (reddit, steam reviews, etc), more understanding players would chime in on the situation and point out how idiotic the whining banned player is(we've already experienced a huge whiner in the community that was banned, barely affected DE). highly doubt anyone is going to look at Warframe and think 'i can't wait to use a macro in this!!! wait i cant use macros?!? FK this game'

22 minutes ago, ThunderZsolt said:

Only the developers have the exact data about percentages, but it is very possible that 10% (or even more) of the PC playerbase uses macros. Also, gaming keyboards/mice are not cheap, so this part of the playerbase is willing to spend money on gaming.

Only DE would know, so your guesstimate is irrelevant.

24 minutes ago, ThunderZsolt said:

Plus, the enemies you regularly encounter (up to 120) are very easily killed with maxed gear, so there is no point in using macros except being lazy - they don't allow you to kill stuff better, but with less effort.

Doesn't matter how easy it is to kill the enemies, using a macro to use less effort, to breeze through content is no better than using one to AFK.

30 minutes ago, ThunderZsolt said:

TLDR: slide attack macros might get "nerfed" (like adding cooldowns to slide attacks).

This is what should happen. We all know those players will whine and claim to quit anyway.

[ChuckMaverick]

4 hours ago, SilvaDreams said:

The myth of leeching gets you more XP has always been that a myth. The person doing the killing gets 100% of the XP (to the weapon/frame that got the kill) while everyone else gets 50% of the XP split between All their equipped gear.

That's not true.

For any kill except those from your sentinel/kubrow/kavat, you get 100% of the affinity; what changes is how that affinity is split between your equipment.

• If you kill with a frame power, your frame gets 100% of the affinity;
• If you kill with a weapon, your frame gets 50% of the affinity and the weapon used for the kill gets 50% of the affinity;
• If another member of your squad, their companion, or other allies (syndicate operatives, etc.) get a kill, your frame gets 25% of the affinity and your weapons get 75% of the affinity split between all equipped weapons (depends on how many weapons you have equipped).

Now @Knight_Ex didn't mention if they had any other weapons equipped (primary/secondary), but based on the results I'll assume they had all three weapons.

Kills with the Telos Boltace would give 50% affinity to that weapon, while giving 25% affinity to all squadmates melee weapons; so based on the fact that the Telos Boltace ranked fastest, it's safe to assume it was getting most of the kills.

Of course you could have just looked at the mission results, which would have been much simpler. 

[ThunderZsolt]

3 hours ago, EmptyDevil said:

Spoiler

 

I'm sorry, but that kind of logic is daft. I can easily change it to fit another POV:

Well, looks like a lot of people here don't understand how business works.

 

Do macro users have to wait the same 5 minutes for the next survival rotation? - yes. (completely irrelevant by the way since there are more modes than survival)

• Still relevant, because you can't really speed up any other mission except exterminate, which doesn't take long anyway. Also there are other tactics that are even more cheesy.

 

Does using macros allow bypassing the grind? - no, only platinum and prime access does, but it does allow you to experience far less of it by paying less attention to what you're doing. It is already clearly stated that if you use any macro or script, it could potentially get you banned. The chance of a ban is even greater if you AFK with a macro playing for you.

• Playing the game by itself is risking a ban - it is in the ToS that the developer/publisher can ban anyone without a reason, so the only 100% sure way to avoid getting banned is not playing. Still, haven't heard about anyone who got banned for no reason, neither because of using macros.
• AFK is a completely other story, it was confirmed by the devs that you shouldn't.

 

Do macro users buy platinum/prime access? - yes. (irrelevant) - explain why? it is the main point that they stop buying plat if they get banned, which cuts profit, while letting them using macros don't.

Would macro users stop buying platinum/prime access if they get banned? - definately.

Do non macro users stop playing, or stop buying platinum/prime access because of the macro users? - no. Yes, some do. (pointing out that unless you're omniscience, this is a BS claim because you don't 100% know this for a fact)

• People who got butthurt about things like this always post on the forums first - and I haven't read any posts that mentioned quitting particularly because of the macro users. There might be a few, but way fewer than the macro users themselves, so banning macro users would make DE lose more customers.

 

What could DE, as a company, gain with banning macro users? - The game would be more "fair", people would stop complaining on the forums. Some players would find the game more enjoyable too, since it would eliminate something that is potentially very anti co-op.

• All missions but raids are totally soloable (not even hard) i don't really see what you are talking about. Also, it is not even the best/most efficient playstyle. Organized squads always outperform macro spammers.

 

What would DE, as a company, risk with banning macro users? - very small profit loss,

• It could range from very small to percentages. I'm not saying that DE will lose out 10% or something, but the possibility is there. Plus, very small profit loss is still profit loss, for little to no reason.

possibly the banned players start spreading bad reputation (reddit, steam reviews, etc), more understanding players would chime in on the situation and point out how idiotic the whining banned player is(we've already experienced a huge whiner in the community that was banned, barely affected DE). highly doubt anyone is going to look at Warframe and think 'i can't wait to use a macro in this!!! wait i cant use macros?!? FK this game'

• It all depends on the circumstances. If a developer bans a % of the players without warning, it is creating bad reputation indeed. So more like: wow, this game is about grinding, and the devs still ban players who logged 2k+ hours for such things like using macros? FK I won't put so much money/effort in this game, because it is too risky. Not to mention, that prime access has the price of 2 brand new AAA titles.
• The one vocal people you mentined, i haven't even heard about. Dunno why he was banned either. However, some "famous" warframe youtubers also use macros - don't know how many of them and such, but they have an impact on the opinion of their followers too.
• There were a few games I was about to buy on steam, but watched some recent videos on YT and half of them was how badly the publisher treats the players, so I decided to not buy it - even though it was on sale, and had positive steam reviews.

 

Only DE would know, so your guesstimate is irrelevant.

• It is not about the numbers, but the fact that banning people can be bad for business, and it wouldn't be worth risking if all the "evil macroers" do is combine 3 button press into one.
• Devs read the forums, and this topic is on the first page since I don't even know how long, yet they either don't care enough to respond, or they are intentionally silent about the topic. (could say they show good example, but I've also posted before...) So we won't know for sure I guess, but I think there is a reason why we don't have an official response.

Doesn't matter how easy it is to kill the enemies, using a macro to use less effort, to breeze through content is no better than using one to AFK.

• ^That is your opinion. Macro users spend the same time playing the game, sitting before the computer and doing nothing else (except chatting on discord and listening to music, but non-macro users do that too). Also there are quite a few frames/weapons that require even less effort (including, but not limited to Mirage+simulor, Equinox, Banshee, Vauban)
  Do you quit buying platinum because of those too?

 

 

Put in a spoiler the whole thing, because it is getting too long.

Yeah, you can change my logic to fit your POV if you tell half of my point is irrelevant... (but they are not)

[SilvaDreams]

41 minutes ago, ThunderZsolt said:

 

Put in a spoiler the whole thing, because it is getting too long.

Yeah, you can change my logic to fit your POV if you tell half of my point is irrelevant... (but they are not)

Well I'll do a better job then.

1) Yes they still have to wait but they can negate the actual wait because they aren't playing.

2) Yes they are bypassing the grind because again they aren't playing.

3) Potentially , but not likely.

4) Well if banned duh but they likely weren't buying it anyways.

5) Actually yes when it gets out of hand players stop playing and it is just the macro users left, go ask Gunz how that worked out... P.S. It failed.

6) A lot really with very little negative, people tend to enjoy games more knowing they don't have to deal with bots and macroers.

7) Nothing honestly other than a few script kiddies whining on Reddit crying "Didn do nuffin!" Which no one will believe.

Edited March 11, 2017 by SilvaDreams
Holy Veyhek I hate auto correct at times...

[ChuckMaverick]

My personal opinion...

Botting, i.e. automation to the point where you can literally go AFK and your script continues playing the game for you, should be banned without mercy.

Assist-macros, i.e. pressing one button/key to slide attack, completely fine.

The grey area for me includes things like macros that turn semi-auto weapons into full-auto, which seem to subvert the design of that weapon.

[ThunderZsolt]

1 hour ago, SilvaDreams said:

Spoiler

 

Well I'll do a better job then.

Not much better. You just said "no" instead of "irrelevant", without elaborating.

1) Yes they still have to wait but they can negate the actual wait because they aren't playing.

Simply not true. Not sure which kind of macro are you talking about, but how does binding W+shift+ctrl+E to a mouse button make you not playing? Why is it not an option by default on PC in the first place? There are plenty of buttons unused on the keyboard.

2) Yes they are bypassing the grind because again they aren't playing.

You didn't answer anything here, see 1)

3) Potentially , but not likely.

I know. I was just pointing out, that if something is in the ToS that doesn't mean anything.

4) Well if banned duh but they likely weren't buying it anyways.

Why likely weren't buying it? As I've said, the players who have expensive gaming gear are willing to spend money on games too. Especially the ones who have little time because of work, but want to have fun.

It is the poor kids who play warframe on a toaster who don't buy anything, but has 10 hours for warframe each day so all their plat is from trading.

5) Actually yes when it gets out of hand players stop playing and it is just the macro users left, go ask Gunz how that worked out... P.S. It failed.

And that is a PvP game, where it gives you a straight advantage over other players. In warframe the players who don't use macros only have one less cheese tactic to apply, so they have to play mirage or something if they are that lazy

Conclave is a different thing, but nobody was talking about that.

6) A lot really with very little negative, people tend to enjoy games more knowing they don't have to deal with bots and macroers.

Like you have to fight against those players, or they get more kills with their t. boltace than you with your Equinox, so you get salty? Don't see how you "have to deal with" them... As I've said, spamming slide attacks with melee weapons isn't even the most effective method at killing.

7) Nothing honestly other than a few script kiddies whining on Reddit crying "Didn do nuffin!" Which no one will believe.

Still, banning people is the worst solution for this (storm in a teacup) problem of yours, and if a developer starts mass-banning players for something like this, without making a clear statement first, that is a huge problem, and word spreads fast on the internet.

Again, we have neither the exact number of players using macros (if there are so few, how is everyone in this thread "constantly forced to play with them"?) nor an official response on this topic despite the thread being on the first page since almost 3 weeks now.

But me pointing out that banning can be risky is definately wrong, because you think the other way.

 

 

Edited March 11, 2017 by ThunderZsolt

[Helljack84]

tl;dr

I want to play the game by spamming a single button for dozens of hours while staring at the screen like a dead empty husk.

[Any content] is unbearable grind for me so I make the game equally fun for everyone. 

I main cookie clicker and my hardware is top notch for clicking one button a million times for hours.

If you enjoy any part of the game...I don't care eat particles.

 

[Knight_Ex]

5 hours ago, ChuckMaverick said:

That's not true.

For any kill except those from your sentinel/kubrow/kavat, you get 100% of the affinity; what changes is how that affinity is split between your equipment.

• If you kill with a frame power, your frame gets 100% of the affinity;
• If you kill with a weapon, your frame gets 50% of the affinity and the weapon used for the kill gets 50% of the affinity;
• If another member of your squad, their companion, or other allies (syndicate operatives, etc.) get a kill, your frame gets 25% of the affinity and your weapons get 75% of the affinity split between all equipped weapons (depends on how many weapons you have equipped).

Now @Knight_Ex didn't mention if they had any other weapons equipped (primary/secondary), but based on the results I'll assume they had all three weapons.

Kills with the Telos Boltace would give 50% affinity to that weapon, while giving 25% affinity to all squadmates melee weapons; so based on the fact that the Telos Boltace ranked fastest, it's safe to assume it was getting most of the kills.

Of course you could have just looked at the mission results, which would have been much simpler. 

Um, I said we only had melee weapons equipped, I clearly stated no other weapons were being used, and the frames were maxed rank, trust me this isn't my first rodeo.

[ChuckMaverick]

45 minutes ago, Knight_Ex said:

Um, I said we only had melee weapons equipped, I clearly stated no other weapons were being used, and the frames were maxed rank, trust me this isn't my first rodeo.

Hmm, so you did, apologies for missing that.

It would have been very interesting to see the end of mission results, particularly who did most damage and who had most kills.

It could be that the Telos Boltace user was doing lots of damage, because of the wave slash procs, but others were last-hitting and getting more kills.

Without the results screen it's impossible to say.

[BlueHandSoap]

Sweet Jesus

Can someone from DE respond or at least can a mod lock this thread. Every single macro thread is the same thing and the same whiny people over and over again and its really getting annoying.

 

[ChuckMaverick]

11 minutes ago, Sinanju0608 said:

Sweet Jesus

Can someone from DE respond or at least can a mod lock this thread. Every single macro thread is the same thing and the same whiny people over and over again and its really getting annoying.

Then don't read them?

Unless the OP requests a lock or the thread breaches forum rules there's no reason to lock it.