Man in the wall ... possible identity!

[main_antagonist]

Going to put a spoiler bar for the text describing my theory ..

Just incase anybody clicks this thread on accident and has not done 'Chains of Harrow' Quest

Spoiler

 

The first Limbo might be the man in the wall!?

Harrow is referenced before he was a playable warframe ... For those who have done the Quest for Harrow and know who Rell is ... you'll understand what I'm getting at about how Rell was kept alive and the connection he had with his warframe.

The Tenno who used Limbo kept jumping the rift and made a mistake and seemingly died, perhaps the operator and the warframe were both destroyed from the mortal plain of existence but are now stuck in the void.

 

"The final part. I cannot wait. What harrowing leaps of cross-dimensional gymnastics will he attempt next?" (harrowing)

----

"Excellent, the final Theorem and it's unfragmented. Processing.

Oh, wait, Limbo, no that's a mistake, you don't want to go there. It's too big a jump. You can't rift walk... ohh. Oh no.

Operator, I think I know why we're finding Limbo parts scattered throughout the system. His final rift walk was a miscal... disaster. Well, perhaps when you occupy this frame, you will use more... caution."

 

Think about it ... 

Spoiler

 

The Lotus wonders how Rell has lived so long without cryosleep, and Palladino clarifies that he has transferred his entire consciousness to his 'undying vessel', aka his Warframe, before asking the Red Veil to chain the Warframe. One last message is encountered by the player upon encountering the first of Rell's emotions:

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Palladino exclaims that Rell's spirit has returned to his Warframe, and asks the player to come to the Temple where he is kept to perform one last act. Meanwhile, Lotus ascribes the occurrences that Rell describes as psychological damage caused by his prolonged Transference loop in the void.

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The player must now proceed deep inside an Orokin Derelict which houses the Warframe in which Rell's consciousness is imprisoned in, as Palladino reveals that the Warframe must be destroyed, killing Rell along with it to grant him peace. Players must find the central temple room, consisting of a large tree red with embers, and enter through a hole in its base to get below. Halfway down, Palladino asks that the Tenno only enter via their "true, sacred form", thus forcing them to exit via Transference as the Operator.

The Operator soon reaches the altar, where a Warframe is hung by chains in the center. Palladino asks the Operator to destroy the chains so Rell can be freed, and the player must use their Void Beam to destroy the chains that are lit in blue. Destroying the first chain however reveals that there is a malevolent being inside the Warframe that is not Rell, who then begins attacking the Operator with fireball attacks while sending Red Veil Fanatics against them.

What this could mean is that the Tenno who was in control of Limbo made a mistake while using Transference ...

His physical Tenno body and Warframe were destroyed in the process and are either not completely dead because of Limbo's stasis ability or perhaps this Tenno found other entities within the void and was kept alive without a Warframe or Tenno body ... Corrupted Vor anybody???

It could be possible that This tenno had a Void key on their person or should I say warframe as they made their final rift walk, was converted into energy just as Vor was and cannot return to the moral plain of existence ... Being unable to return or to die caused a prolonged Transference loop in the void eventually driving this Tenno operative insane.

Rell realized something was not right in the void that there is an insane entity 'The original Limbo's Tenno' fast forward to when you destroy the first chain binding Harrow reveals that there is a malevolent being inside the Warframe that is not Rell ... The Limbo operator is trying to come back.

That's my theory ... 'tips fedora'

 

Am I onto something the fact that "The final part. I cannot wait. What harrowing leaps of cross-dimensional gymnastics will he attempt next?" was referenced earlier in the game has got me looking waaaay too deep into this lol

*Grab a hat you're gonna need it ... ESPECIALLY ON THE SECOND PAGE!*

Edited July 17, 2017 by main_antagonist
Hat meme

[artemisfortune]

Harrowing - acutely distressing.

I think you're reaching.

[main_antagonist]

Just now, JSharpie said:

Harrowing - acutely distressing.

I think you're reaching.

*Corrupted vor laughs* Energy can't be destroyed ...

[aligatorno]

The only problem I think is that he knew about the Man in the Wall ever since they were on Zariman, at least that's what the comic's ending implies. 

[-Krism-]

6 minutes ago, main_antagonist said:

The first Limbo might be the man in the wall!?

Oh god, someone explain to him that's not possible.

[main_antagonist]

Just now, aligatorno said:

The only problem I think is that he knew about the Man in the Wall ever since they were on Zariman, at least that's what the comic's ending implies. 

I was thinking of that too but I can't seem to find a timeline on when the first Limbo was engineered by the orokin ... it could predate but not earlier than excalibur since he is stated to be the first, they may have been trying to understand the void and when the Operator and Warframe were lost to the void they may have scratched the project and we only have Acquired Limbo from finding the scattered pieces ... it could be a cover up.

[FINNSTAR7]

Definitely overthinking this. It's pretty obvious The Man in the Wall is Void related and possibly has something to do with the Zariman children's parents going insane (which happened long before Limbo).

Limbo's operator, on the other hand, simply vanished into a pocket dimension (notably not the Void).

 

Also, your font color makes it nearly impossible to read your post in dark mode. Try editing it to normal formatting by selecting all and pressing that Tx button at the top.

Edited July 16, 2017 by FINNSTAR7

[main_antagonist]

Just now, Xenox_Ilz-ot said:

Oh god, someone explain to him that's not possible.

Lore confirm that I'm wrong I'll wait :P Just find me a spot on the timeline when Limbo was made that dismisses my coverup theory when the Orokin were trying to understand the void more and building warframes to travel to all plains/dimensions of it.

[aligatorno]

1 minute ago, main_antagonist said:

I was thinking of that too but I can't seem to find a timeline on when the first Limbo was engineered by the orokin ... it could predate but not earlier than excalibur since he is stated to be the first, they may have been trying to understand the void and when the Operator and Warframe were lost to the void they may have scratched the project and we only have Acquired Limbo from finding the scattered pieces ... it could be a cover up.

Limbo was most certainly made after the Zariman incident, and his quest most likely is post war. 

[main_antagonist]

1 minute ago, FINNSTAR7 said:

Definitely overthinking this. It's pretty obvious The Man in the Wall is Void related and possibly has something to do with the Zariman children's parents going insane (which happened long before Limbo).

Yes but specifically 'THE' man in the wall, that isn't to say there are not other entities in there already making people insane ... the exposure to the Limbo operator could have caused him to go insane since he was stuck there from his failed rift walk attempt ... eventually succumbing to the madness of the void but knowing how to get back was trying to use Rell

[main_antagonist]

1 minute ago, aligatorno said:

Limbo was most certainly made after the Zariman incident, and his quest most likely is post war. 

Where does it say that please link proof?

[-Krism-]

1 minute ago, main_antagonist said:

Where does it say that please link proof?

He said "most certainly", like you it's just a speculation.

EDIT: pay attention to how phrases/santances are formed please.

Edited July 16, 2017 by Xenox_Ilz-ot

[main_antagonist]

After starting the quest, the player will receive an inbox message from Ordis himself.

So, this 'Limbo Theorem' you picked up, it's supposed to lead to a new Warframe? Well, it's woefully incomplete!

Half-written proofs, unfinished equations, what idiot wrote this mess??

Okay. Okay. There is one thing here, a constant, a tuning frequency but it's so minute, the Liset's antenna would never be able to...

...unless...go to your nav console, I have an idea.

"Well, it's woefully incomplete!"  Prototype failure coverup by the orokin

[Ny_Soro]

Quote

"The final part. I cannot wait. What harrowing leaps of cross-dimensional gymnastics will he attempt next?" (harrowing)

----

"Excellent, the final Theorem and it's unfragmented. Processing.

Oh, wait, Limbo, no that's a mistake, you don't want to go there. It's too big a jump. You can't rift walk... ohh. Oh no.

Operator, I think I know why we're finding Limbo parts scattered throughout the system. His final rift walk was a miscal... disaster. Well, perhaps when you occupy this frame, you will use more... caution."

All of the dialogue from the Limbo theorem you took directly out of context. Warframe probably had NO IDEA that when they released this that there would be a frame in similar name to a definitive word.

Secondly this was also before the Second dream and therefore we didn't even know ANYHING was even controlling the Warframes until then.

[aligatorno]

Just now, main_antagonist said:

Where does it say that please link proof?

You pretty much said it yourself, Excalibur was the first. The warframes were molded after the tenno, even if some prototypes existed pre-zariman, there's no evidence that that someone could have harnessed and use void energy like the tenno can in order to use such powers. 

[SeaUrchins]

A man in the wall is a usually a guy who joins the game and gets stuck in wall meshes.

[main_antagonist]

Just now, Xenox_Ilz-ot said:

He said "most certainly", like you it's just a speculation.

He's claiming that it's fact ... soooo "most certainly" = 

1. superlative form of certainly: most certainly

 

4 minutes ago, aligatorno said:

Limbo was most certainly made after the Zariman incident, and his quest most likely is post war. 

 

[-Krism-]

1 minute ago, main_antagonist said:

After starting the quest, the player will receive an inbox message from Ordis himself.

So, this 'Limbo Theorem' you picked up, it's supposed to lead to a new Warframe? Well, it's woefully incomplete!

Half-written proofs, unfinished equations, what idiot wrote this mess??

Okay. Okay. There is one thing here, a constant, a tuning frequency but it's so minute, the Liset's antenna would never be able to...

...unless...go to your nav console, I have an idea.

"Well, it's woefully incomplete!"  Prototype failure coverup by the orokin

Still, your theory doesn't make sense, The Indefference said that we were nothing without him, hence, it cannot be Limbo.

[main_antagonist]

2 minutes ago, Nowe999 said:

All of the dialogue from the Limbo theorem you took directly out of context. Warframe probably had NO IDEA that when they released this that there would be a frame in similar name to a definitive word.

Secondly this was also before the Second dream and therefore we didn't even know ANYHING was even controlling the Warframes until then.

Exactly they've been building upon previous lore so what are you getting at?

[artemisfortune]

10 minutes ago, main_antagonist said:

*Corrupted vor laughs* Energy can't be destroyed ...

When the crux of your argument is the usage of a word that exists in the english language, you can pretty much dismiss your theory.

Edited July 16, 2017 by JSharpie

[main_antagonist]

Just now, Xenox_Ilz-ot said:

Still, your theory doesn't make sense, The Indefference said that we were nothing without him, hence, it cannot be Limbo.

You forget void exposure makes people insane ...

[main_antagonist]

35 minutes ago, Xenox_Ilz-ot said:

Still, your theory doesn't make sense, The Indefference said that we were nothing without him, hence, it cannot be Limbo.

What if the operator for the Limbo was an Orokin ... "we would be nothing without him" would be true the Orokin developed the warframes ... *Ballas* continued to work on the warframe projects 

What if he was the operator, where is Ballas now?????

Edited July 16, 2017 by main_antagonist
grammar etc. "we would be nothing without him"

[-Krism-]

6 minutes ago, main_antagonist said:

You forget void exposure makes people insane ...

That's not where I'm getting, what I'm saying is that Warframes and Tennos were connected with Void energy, with the story of Rell we now know that the Void is not just a place but an entity, and that entity is the Indifference.

Edited July 16, 2017 by Xenox_Ilz-ot

[main_antagonist]

7 minutes ago, aligatorno said:

You pretty much said it yourself, Excalibur was the first. The warframes were molded after the tenno, even if some prototypes existed pre-zariman, there's no evidence that that someone could have harnessed and use void energy like the tenno can in order to use such powers. 

Haveeeee you done the titania quest?

"These past weeks, I've been secretly testing Transference on myself. I can only survive short bursts - linking to Titania the way only Tenno can stand. I've never felt anything like it. A tortured presence, like an evil ink, staining my mind. But... it worked. I'm going to use this wrong to make right."

Don't need to be tenno to do Transference ...

--

With the Shrine completely defended, the voice introduces itself as Silvana, the Archimedean responsible for both Titania and the Silver Grove, now permanently bound to the latter by Transference. When the Orokin learned that she pilfered their resources to create the grove, a battalion of Dax soldiers was sent to burn down the forest, but they were cut down by Titania. Titania's wounds claimed her in this battle, and she died in the Silver Grove, protecting the woman who hated her the most – Silvana. Amaryn vows that the player will allow Titania to fly once more, earning Silvana's gratitude.

Upon extraction, players will receive the Titania Neuroptics Blueprint. Amaryn will also send a message to the player's inbox, declaring that the New Loka will need to change its doctrines moving forward to be more accepting of the truth, and giving the Tenno a Titania Blueprint, thus completing the quest.

Edited July 16, 2017 by main_antagonist

[-Krism-]

2 minutes ago, main_antagonist said:

Haveeeee you done the titania quest?

With the Shrine completely defended, the voice introduces itself as Silvana, the Archimedean responsible for both Titania and the Silver Grove, now permanently bound to the latter by Transference. When the Orokin learned that she pilfered their resources to create the grove, a battalion of Dax soldiers was sent to burn down the forest, but they were cut down by Titania. Titania's wounds claimed her in this battle, and she died in the Silver Grove, protecting the woman who hated her the most – Silvana. Amaryn vows that the player will allow Titania to fly once more, earning Silvana's gratitude.

Upon extraction, players will receive the Titania Neuroptics Blueprint. Amaryn will also send a message to the player's inbox, declaring that the New Loka will need to change its doctrines moving forward to be more accepting of the truth, and giving the Tenno a Titania Blueprint, thus completing the quest.

And that's enough for you to say that the Indifference is Limbo?