Trolling

[kazenioware]

Not really being a bug, this is an issue in need of fixing.

People could troll groups not coming into the exit after a done bounty or doing something else, for instance like fishing or mining. In fact they do.

Had some guy who said to our group while doing bounty he is going fishing and we should "deal with it.".

After calling him a dillhole he said he is going to report me. (That's not rude, it's the truth, and you know it.)

Please stop this DE, you did it with all the other missions.

[ngrazer]

I totally agree with you. There needs to be an option to extract alone or at least to force an extraction timer (like in regular missions). Also something should be done to leechers as well. Met two different leechers in two different squads yesterday who went fishing/mining while the three of us were doing the bounty missions 

In the meantime the only thing I can suggest is reporting every single person that is leeching/trolling/AFKing in the Plains. I mean, if they'll get enough reports, Support is going to do something about it, right?

[krc473]

11 minutes ago, kazenioware said:

Not really being a bug, this is an issue in need of fixing.

I found a temporary fix. Completely avoid public games in plains. I just play with my friends, not on public. Works out okay. 

 

But really, this is something that should have been considered much earlier than now. People will cause issues, regardless. So we really do need this fixed.

[ngrazer]

9 minutes ago, krc473 said:

But really, this is something that should have been considered much earlier than now. People will cause issues, regardless. So we really do need this fixed.

I kinda want to see the response of 'oh noe the vote kick is going to be abused for trolling' adepts to the current situation tho.

[kazenioware]

14 minutes ago, krc473 said:

I found a temporary fix. Completely avoid public games in plains. I just play with my friends, not on public. Works out okay.

And sure you are right, i try to avoid randooms, if i can. Especially in sorties, some missions i do rather alone like spys.

But as ngrazer said he report those people, he pointed out solutions, and i second that: why all this ruckus, if you can avoid this with simple countermeasures on DEs side.

Edited October 21, 2017 by kazenioware
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[krc473]

1 minute ago, ngrazer said:

I kinda want to see the response of 'oh noe the vote kick is going to be abused for trolling' adepts to the current situation tho.

I do not think a vote kick is our only option. If having half the squad waiting in the Cetus gate would start a timer (like every other mission), that is all I need.

A 30 second timer when half the squad is at extraction. Everyone else gets transported back into the transition area. Then the mission ends as normal.

[krc473]

Just now, kazenioware said:

But as ngrazer said he report those people, pe ointed out solutions, and i second that: why all this ruckus, if you can avoid this with simple countermeasures on DEs side

Because we do not have these yet. So, the players need to do something to encourage it. Reporting is probably a waste of time, I do not think DE will take action against anyone for it (you could get banned from support if you send too many reports).

[BlackholeDevice]

From Oct 18

 

[krc473]

1 minute ago, BlackholeDevice said:

From Oct 18

Hopefully that means it is coming soon.

[kazenioware]

1 minute ago, krc473 said:

Because we do not have these yet. So, the players need to do something to encourage it. Reporting is probably a waste of time, I do not think DE will take action against anyone for it (you could get banned from support if you send too many reports).

I do not like the option vote kicking. This is kinda harsh.

I never reported one single player in warframe, i simply start 'ignoring' them.

But a personal extraction after a done mission would be something.

And maybe not being allowed to mine or fishing while in a bounty or being punished by getting no reward for doing so could be a solution.

[krc473]

Just now, kazenioware said:

And maybe not being allowed to mine or fishing while in a bounty or being punished by getting no reward for doing so could be a solution.

I disagree with this. I mine along the way on my bounties.

I have done several bounties with friends, where they are just coming for the prize, but want to fish and mine. But I want to do a bounty first. So they go and do their thing, I do the bounty. Everyone wins. This is okay, because everyone goes in knowing what the plan is, and that we will leave after the bounty is done. 

[kazenioware]

Just now, krc473 said:

I disagree with this. I mine along the way on my bounties.

I have done several bounties with friends, where they are just coming for the prize, but want to fish and mine. But I want to do a bounty first. So they go and do their thing, I do the bounty. Everyone wins. This is okay, because everyone goes in knowing what the plan is, and that we will leave after the bounty is done. 

Why not restrict it only to public games then?

Because if your friends troll you then you deserve this :D.

[krc473]

3 minutes ago, kazenioware said:

Why not restrict it only to public games then?

See first statement.

Would people be affected by this who want to mine while doing the bounty? I do this. If I see ores near an objective (the defence ones) I get them.

[kazenioware]

Because not everyone is capable of handling such multitasking and some others would misinterpret this in a public game and causing bad blood and  unnecessary reports.

Since you don't play public games, that's probably not an issue for you, but restricting the possibilities for trolling keeps a gaming community calmer.

For example that is the reason why we usually do extract as from 2 players up. Before that all had to extract or none. Lokis pulling you out of Evac points, Limbos not letting you do MobDefs, Atlas stonewalling you? Or do you remember the first version of the tonkor? Perfect troll weapon.

If you give people the chance to upset you they will do so, and people will get upset by that.

So keeping things smoother with some foresight will lower the tenno mortatity rate. (Ok, taht's an educated guess.)

Edited October 21, 2017 by kazenioware
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[krc473]

5 minutes ago, kazenioware said:

For example that is the reason why we usually do extract as from 2 players up. Before that all had to extract or none. Lokis pulling you out of Evac points, Limbos not letting you do MobDefs, Atlas stonewalling you? Or do you remember the first version of the tonkor? Perfect troll weapon.

Personally, I quite liked playing with Atlas' stonewalls... It was fun to lock my friend in a tiny room. Not really helpful, but fun. (I wasn't being mean, we both did it to each other). You missed Valkyr and ripline tugging you off the evac point. Or better still, long range Valkyr pulling the Saryn boss into the lava 

 

I feel like restricting a players ability to acquire useful resources, because "bounty" would be a terrible choice. Yes, some people may not help because they are doing this. But it is not like the bounties are overly difficult (I have no trouble soloing the tier 5 bounty). That would be punishing people because of something that might, but likely will not, be an issue. This is not the right direction for fixing the current public issue.

In my opinion, all we need is a way to force extraction, or solo extract. I would be happy enough to run public missions if these were implemented. I would still avoid them if I could not acquire a few ores along the way.

[kazenioware]

Just now, krc473 said:

Personally, I quite liked playing with Atlas' stonewalls... It was fun to lock my friend in a tiny room. Not really helpful, but fun. (I wasn't being mean, we both did it to each other). You missed Valkyr and ripline tugging you off the evac point. Or better still, long range Valkyr pulling the Saryn boss into the lava 

 

I feel like restricting a players ability to acquire useful resources, because "bounty" would be a terrible choice. Yes, some people may not help because they are doing this. But it is not like the bounties are overly difficult (I have no trouble soloing the tier 5 bounty). That would be punishing people because of something that might, but likely will not, be an issue. This is not the right direction for fixing the current public issue.

In my opinion, all we need is a way to force extraction, or solo extract. I would be happy enough to run public missions if these were implemented. I would still avoid them if I could not acquire a few ores along the way.

First, you said it, you were trolling your friend, NOT a public game. And that's ok.

Second, again, i would restrict those measures TO public games. And with a feature like an individual extraction you could do all the fishing and mining you want.

[krc473]

4 minutes ago, kazenioware said:

First, you said it, you were trolling your friend, NOT a public game. And that's ok.

I was not trolling my friend. I did the mission, got them the prize. They fished. But we both knew what was happening - I think having multiple people increases enemy spawns, making the kill XX number of enemies less boring (less waiting, more murder).

 

Provided the restriction is only public games, I would not mind. I would just avoid them. But I would like to see a solution that keeps everyone relatively happy, without negatively impacting people. To me, preventing fishing and mining in a bounty is a negative impact. But I can accept that many people might see it as a positive thing.

[ngrazer]

11 minutes ago, krc473 said:

 To me, preventing fishing and mining in a bounty is a negative impact. But I can accept that many people might see it as a positive thing.

I don't think mining/fishing should be prevented at all when doing a bounty, even in pugs. Maybe the range should be very limited as I myself don't mind someone mining nearby, but yesterday I've met two leechers fishing/mining >500m away from the team.

[Chibiscus]

The exact same thing keeps happening to me. Especially on the harder bounties which I prefer to do online rather then alone. Once the Mission is done people just go fishing instead of going out of the Plains, it is so incredibly rude. If you want to go fishing do it solo or ask for a squad or with some friends but not on a bounty.


also maybe instead of having a kick function (which probably do would get abused btw) Why dont they make it so when you leave the PoE you can go out alone of the doors and get seperated from the rest, this way whoever wants to go fishing can go fishing and you can just leave. If it happens during a Mission you should be able to just click "leave squad" mid mission so you are all by yourself and random peps can match with you.

I dont actually know if this is possible to make for DE, but it would great :)

[Chibiscus]

1 hour ago, ngrazer said:

I don't think mining/fishing should be prevented at all when doing a bounty, even in pugs. Maybe the range should be very limited as I myself don't mind someone mining nearby, but yesterday I've met two leechers fishing/mining >500m away from the team.

If I see a blue thing in the middle of the bounty I generally quickly mine it then get back to the bounty but I would never wander off just doing my own thing