Chris9428 Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Are the damages final? Viral +100% and Corrosive +25% against armor only? My record is 2.6 but I cant get lower than 3.6 now lol damage dropped randomly. The wiki still shows 75% Corrosive against armor and 100% Vital against flesh, is it outdated? The codex also says Corrosive = +++ against armor and Vital = +++ against health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qynchou Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 The wiki still shows 75% Corrosive against armor and 100% Vital against flesh, is it outdated? The codex also says Corrosive = +++ against armor and Vital = +++ against health. Someone earlier in the thread mentioned this and Ive noticed myself I hit way less with the exact same loadout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rompido Posted November 28, 2013 Author Share Posted November 28, 2013 (edited) something has changed. I recently got my Soma to C-4 and.... Soma................0.02.569 By:LisRestall (C-4) http://tinyurl.com/pga2jjp | http://i.imgur.com/QFB11CA.jpg .... I have max rank Serration and max rank Heavy caliber. so i figured I could improve the time. I did it twice. both times 2.6 and 2.7 same build expect for max serration / heavy caliber. so why isn't it faster? then again..... crit and procs so lots of RNG. I dunno. here is mine. which is 0.22 to slow http://youtu.be/KylCwF8gdek Edited November 28, 2013 by Rompido Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qynchou Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Mods could have different effectivities now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris9428 Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Oh sweet, [DE]Sandra solved my misplaced polarity issue. Now I'm able to get magnetic damage without sacrificing a mod slot. Just throwing this in quick, since I'm happy about that.The Corpus will now feel the full potential of a 6x forma'd Ignis. Also, I'm gonna test a Braton Prime run tomorrow to see if it affected anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisRestall Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 something has changed. I recently got my Soma to C-4 and.... Soma................0.02.569 By:LisRestall (C-4) http://tinyurl.com/pga2jjp | http://i.imgur.com/QFB11CA.jpg .... I have max rank Serration and max rank Heavy caliber. so i figured I could improve the time. I did it twice. both times 2.6 and 2.7 same build expect for max serration / heavy caliber. so why isn't it faster? then again..... crit and procs so lots of RNG. I dunno. here is mine. which is 0.22 to slow http://youtu.be/KylCwF8gdek Don't know if it's the spread or not but when I tested Boar Prime and replaced Incendiary Coat with Vicious Spread, I got .2s slower time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Definitegj Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 something has changed. I recently got my Soma to C-4 and.... Soma................0.02.569 By:LisRestall (C-4) http://tinyurl.com/pga2jjp | http://i.imgur.com/QFB11CA.jpg .... I have max rank Serration and max rank Heavy caliber. so i figured I could improve the time. I did it twice. both times 2.6 and 2.7 same build expect for max serration / heavy caliber. so why isn't it faster? then again..... crit and procs so lots of RNG. I dunno. here is mine. which is 0.22 to slow http://youtu.be/KylCwF8gdek Anyone tried Viral? Faster or slower? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeePee Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Anyone tried Viral? Faster or slower? Viral is definitely faster, on corrosive the Hek kill time was 7,43 seconds, almost a second slower. Hek C-4, 6,57 seconds to kill: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris9428 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Around 3:40 seconds. Brakk C-3 ~2600 Corrosive damage ~800 Puncture damage ~600 Impact and Slash damage Magnum is just Rank 9 and Magnum Force is just Rank 7 since I've been focusing on maxing my rifle mods first, so there's lots of room for improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Definitegj Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 (edited) Announcement! Current as of U11 Hotfix 11.0.7, the modifiers in game have some bugs/errors Against Grineer Corrosive: +25% only Viral: +100% (same value as old viral before the supposedly nerf). Don't think is intended. Ah, I finally solved what the heck is going on around here. Most of the modifiers modified the final damage, except for the armor modifier. Armor modifier change the amount of reduction caused by armor instead. For example, Level 1 lancer with 100 armor will cause ~25.3% reduction 100 Corrosive dmg (+75% to armor) vs 100 Viral dmg (+100% to Flesh) Final = 100 x (1-[0.25*0.253]) 100*(1+1)*(1-0.253) = 93.675 = 149.4 So Corrosive only shines when extreme armors are involved. I think Lech Kril's armor still not high enough for corrosive to beat Viral Edit more examples: For 100 Gas (+25% armor, +25% Flesh) Final = 100*1.25*(1-[0.75*0.253]) = 101.28 Edited November 30, 2013 by Definitegj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etsoree Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Doesn't this kinda prove that the Brakk is extremely powerful, more powerful than most other guns? No Forma after all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Definitegj Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 (edited) Doesn't this kinda prove that the Brakk is extremely powerful, more powerful than most other guns? No Forma after all... Not really, to get 3.40s to 1.7s will need 100% more(double) of what you are current dishing out now and Brakk came with 2 free polarities without forma. Edited November 30, 2013 by Definitegj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rompido Posted November 30, 2013 Author Share Posted November 30, 2013 Viral is definitely faster, on corrosive the Hek kill time was 7,43 seconds, almost a second slower. Hek C-4, 6,57 seconds to kill: Would you like for me to go ahead and place this record up over the Acc blast record? Ah, I finally solved what the heck is going on around here. Most of the modifiers modified the final damage, except for the armor modifier. Armor modifier change the amount of reduction caused by armor instead. For example, Level 1 lancer with 100 armor will cause ~25.3% reduction 100 Corrosive dmg (+75% to armor) vs 100 Viral dmg (+100% to Flesh) Final = 100 x (1-[0.25*0.253]) 100*(1+1)*(1-0.253) = 93.675 = 149.4 So Corrosive only shines when extreme armors are involved. I think Lech Kril's armor still not high enough for corrosive to beat Viral Edit more examples: For 100 Gas (+25% armor, +25% Flesh) Final = 100*1.25*(1-[0.75*0.253]) = 101.28 Very insightful ! thank you for sharing your findings with us. I'll give Synapse another try with Viral this time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rompido Posted November 30, 2013 Author Share Posted November 30, 2013 (edited) Soma C-4 Time 2.28 Viral http://youtu.be/z3puYLbmnns Might be improved with Rapid fire over hammer shot. Edited November 30, 2013 by Rompido Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rompido Posted November 30, 2013 Author Share Posted November 30, 2013 (edited) Synapse C-5 Time 3.56 Viral http://youtu.be/8biflhlNp7E Might be improved if I didn't wait till 100% shields where up lol. would perhaps only be a difference of 0.2 seconds. if that. Edited November 30, 2013 by Rompido Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Definitegj Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 (edited) Soma C-4 Time 2.28 Viral http://youtu.be/z3puYLbmnns Might be improved with Rapid fire over hammer shot. Synapse C-5 Time 3.56 Viral http://youtu.be/8biflhlNp7E Might be improved if I didn't wait till 100% shields where up lol. would perhaps only be a difference of 0.2 seconds. if that. Lol Soma still the gun. What aura did you used? I went to do some calculation and found that Lech Kril armor should be high enough for Corrosive > Viral (~30% more). If Corrosive Projection is involved and acted the same way as before U10, then Corrosive still slightly better than Viral (almost the same). The only way that i can think of for Viral > Corrosive is that Corrosive Projection had been changed to affect %armor reduction, instead of the actual number of armor the enemies have. (~20% more damage for Viral) Edit: Tested, Corrosive Projection didn't change. It affect actual armor values. Edited December 1, 2013 by Definitegj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qynchou Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Which auras are allowed to be used in testing? Forgot to ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Definitegj Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 All auras, except those not yet officially released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyOfFun Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 I'm assuming no rifle amp/ damage modifier auras. They just want the scores of the weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rompido Posted December 1, 2013 Author Share Posted December 1, 2013 All auras, except those not yet officially released. this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Definitegj Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 (edited) I just tried Corrosive instead of Viral for Boar. My Corrosive bullets really hit harder like expected but the total time is slower than Viral. I guess the viral status is doing something to Lech Kril's health even without the need to wait for 6secs like i last thought it need. Everything same, even the raw damage, except Viral vs Corrosive With Corrosive Projection aura Viral Boar 2.567secs. Killed in 14 ammo Final dmg= 124/pellet Corrosive Boar - Can't kill in 1 mag (16 ammo, left 30% health) Final = 135/pellet than slowly increases as armor lowered Seems like I'm dealing with Lech Kril that has 50% health due to Viral. Edited December 10, 2013 by Definitegj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeePee Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Would you like for me to go ahead and place this record up over the Acc blast record? Well the rules are pretty clear: Shotguns with Accelerated blast records will have a 3 days to resubmit new times before those shotgun records are removed. The mod is bugged so it's not really fair to use it :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qynchou Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 I just learned that Corrosive procs stack, just in case someone didnt know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris9428 Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 I just learned that Corrosive procs stack, just in case someone didnt know. I realized that too, you can get Kril's health from yellow to red, which means he'll have absolutely no armor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qynchou Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 I take it 27% rifle amp is better than 30% armor reduction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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