FashionFrame Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, Carnage2K4 said: And when was this added to the game, where in game do we see it? it's still a concept sketch in game buddy... It's not about being "super dense" thank you for the (unsolicited insult BTW) it's about not assuming that stuff talked about on some long forgotten dev stream means something in game, when we can all clearly see our squad members in their small ship, while they are clearly in their orbiter... you can even visit the ship now and see the Liset become magically larger on the inside... 31 minutes ago, Carnage2K4 said: I'll go with the Tardis effect over some ship no1 sees that apparently exists because 'art'... this is what we like to call "headcanons" which have no relevance or fact to your argument. DE shown what was planned, and they've brought it up on numerous occasions that the landing craft and the Orbiter are 2 separate things. Landing Craft: The thing you see when the load screen is going and you sometimes see your Warframe jump out of. Orbiter: The craft floating in space that your Operator, foundry, and arsenal are all located in, hense what Ordis said and what Blood-Line has already stated: 10 minutes ago, (PS4)BLOOD-LINE-01 said: ”Operator I will never betray you, I will keep the Orbiter hidden in the Void.” So no, @Carnage2K4 your headcanons can only go so far, when DE and subtle references in game clearly state what a Landing Craft and Orbiter actually are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnage2K4 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, FashionFrame said: this is what we like to call "headcanons" which have no relevance or fact to your argument. DE shown what was planned, and they've brought it up on numerous occasions that the landing craft and the Orbiter are 2 separate things. Landing Craft: The thing you see when the load screen is going and you sometimes see your Warframe jump out of. Orbiter: The craft floating in space that your Operator, foundry, and arsenal are all located in, hense what Ordis said and what Blood-Line has already stated: So no, @Carnage2K4 your headcanons can only go so far, when DE and subtle references in game clearly state what a Landing Craft and Orbiter actually are. 8 minutes ago, Carnage2K4 said: not one of you have bothered to explain away the fact you can join another players Liset and clearly see that it's the 'orbiter' on the inside.. Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I'm in my ship Orbiter, I can see squad members in their Liset (not orbiter), they see me in my Liset (not Orbiter while I'm in my Orbiter) I enter their Liset, now I'm in their Orbiter (not Liset) while being able to see my Liset (not Orbiter), but if I return to my Liset (not Orbiter) which I can see, I'm now in my Orbiter... Go, lets hear it? Explain... With in game evidence... Thanks. Edited January 2, 2018 by Carnage2K4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)BLOOD-LINE-01 Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Carnage2K4 said: Ambiguous terms do not make a problem go away... It’s not ambiguous at all. He literally says he’ll keep the back of your ship safe while you’re on missions. 4 minutes ago, Carnage2K4 said: I love how you're all fine with having a go because I wilfully assume the Tardis effect and that the Liset/Mantis IS the orbiter Because it’s ridiculous and doesn’t have any lore backing it up. This is not Doctor Who. DE have shown us the Orbiter, it is there in-game which you are apparantly denying. It’s there. There is a reason why our dropships are labelled “landing crafts” and not “Orbiters”. 6 minutes ago, Carnage2K4 said: Seem to me everyone here is making concessions No we’re following the lore and not going off a silly “explanation” about stuff being bigger on the inside, which is not even part of the Warframe universe. 9 minutes ago, Carnage2K4 said: when they add it, fine, They have added it. Long ago. Everyone has just given you clear evidence of it. You’re making a lot of effort to deny something thats staring you in the face. 10 minutes ago, Carnage2K4 said: but the Squad problem/Tardis effect makes more sense to me in the current time, as it would with many ppl Actually no it doesn’t because we are not in the Doctor Who universe. The squad meet up can easily be explained because technically you haven’t left your Orbiter yet. The others in your squad have in your world, even though in theirs they are still in their Orbiters. It’s the same with everyone. The Liset doesn’t just “magically become bigger” this is an actual lore backed explanation for it and it is seen many times in-game. You’re kind of denying the truth here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FashionFrame Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Just now, Carnage2K4 said: Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I'm in my ship Orbiter, I can see squad members in their Liset (not orbiter), they see me in my Liset (not Orbiter) I enter their Liset, now I'm in their Orbiter (not Liset) while being able to see my Liset (not Orbiter), but if I return to my Liset (not Orbiter) which I can see, I'm now in my Orbiter... Go lets hear it? Explain... With in game evidence... Thanks. mmmm I was waiting for a reply! Firstly, DE stated what it is. DE! Digital Extremes, you know, the people that make the game. They say what goes for the game. It really doesn't matter, NONE, if it's in game or not. You seriously pushing this hard to try to make this "tardis effect" canon? Okay. You aren't supposed to know they're in their lisets, the same reason you're not supposed to know that everyone you ever played with has done the EXACT same quests as you. Did Stalker single handedly go after every single tenno that came out of their capsule? And Hunhow turned himself into a sword over and over and over again, only to be blown up and his remains kept for every single tenno that has completed Second Dream? That the Lotus single handedly walked every Tenno to their throne over and over and over again to every single player that has completed second dream? Continuity doesn't exist in this universe, and here's where the point comes across: You're "The One." The Tenno that is above all other Tenno. The one tenno that sees lotus face to face, that conquers the Queens, beats up stalker, and puts Hunhow in his place time and time again. Trying my best to describe this, but in all honesty, the world you see isn't what every other tenno is seeing. You need to separate yourself from the online community, and what the game actually is! Ignore the ONLINE part, focus on the STORY part of Warframe. Stop trying so hard to piece things together that isn't there. DE already stated fully what the landing craft and orbiter is, and so does the main wiki: http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Orbiter They're 2 separate machines. Like it or not, trying to lie to yourself with fictional a headcanon despite ignoring the fact that DE has already stated, and this DE's word outweighs your own. No one cares if it isn't in game. DE's word>your headcanon. Simple as that. Sorry this is so confusing to you, just throwing an example of things in this game that really mess up your head more than a little transport ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnage2K4 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 8 minutes ago, (PS4)BLOOD-LINE-01 said: It’s not ambiguous at all. He literally says he’ll keep the back of your ship safe while you’re on missions. Because it’s ridiculous and doesn’t have any lore backing it up. This is not Doctor Who. DE have shown us the Orbiter, it is there in-game which you are apparantly denying. It’s there. There is a reason why our dropships are labelled “landing crafts” and not “Orbiters”. No we’re following the lore and not going off a silly “explanation” about stuff being bigger on the inside, which is not even part of the Warframe universe. They have added it. Long ago. Everyone has just given you clear evidence of it. You’re making a lot of effort to deny something thats staring you in the face. Actually no it doesn’t because we are not in the Doctor Who universe. The squad meet up can easily be explained because technically you haven’t left your Orbiter yet. The others in your squad have in your world, even though in theirs they are still in their Orbiters. It’s the same with everyone. The Liset doesn’t just “magically become bigger” this is an actual lore backed explanation for it and it is seen many times in-game. You’re kind of denying the truth here. "The Tardis Effect"... the effect... Look it up, when something appears bigger on the inside, making out like I'm suggesting a lore connection to Doctor Who is a poor fallacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helch0rn Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 10 minutes ago, Carnage2K4 said: Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I'm in my ship Orbiter, I can see squad members in their Liset (not orbiter), they see me in my Liset (not Orbiter while I'm in my Orbiter) I enter their Liset, now I'm in their Orbiter (not Liset) while being able to see my Liset (not Orbiter), but if I return to my Liset (not Orbiter) which I can see, I'm now in my Orbiter... Go, lets hear it? Explain... With in game evidence... Thanks. what others see is of no relevance to the "story" that is told to you. The game is a singleplayer storyline in a multiplayer game. you are the chosen one. you fought the stalker in TSD and defeated the Queens in TWW. You put Rell to rest and found Inaros' tomb. You are in your orbiter while the others wait for you to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)IroncladBomber Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 hour ago, (PS4)BLOOD-LINE-01 said: Yea it would have been much cooler if it actually affected the inside of your ship. It would be nice if any of the Landers did that, though it could be that the we see the inside of the Orbiter, not the Lander. But either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)BLOOD-LINE-01 Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Carnage2K4 said: "The Tardis Effect"... the effect... Look it up, when something appears bigger on the inside, making out like I'm suggesting a lore connection to Doctor Who is a poor fallacy. The Tardis effect does not have anything to do with this universe. In this game bosses are still there even after we kill them and they appear after that apparent act as well, even though we very clearly vivsected some if them. It is a simple gameplay affect. You are all technically still in your Orbiters but to other players your are not. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FashionFrame Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, Helch0rn said: what others see is of no relevance to the "story" that is told to you. The game is a singleplayer storyline in a multiplayer game. you are the chosen one. you fought the stalker in TSD and defeated the Queens in TWW. You put Rell to rest and found Inaros' tomb. You are in your orbiter while the others wait for you to leave. ^THIS! Exatly what I meant but with way less words, but so straight to the point! hahaha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnage2K4 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Helch0rn said: what others see is of no relevance to the "story" that is told to you. The game is a singleplayer storyline in a multiplayer game. you are the chosen one. you fought the stalker in TSD and defeated the Queens in TWW. You put Rell to rest and found Inaros' tomb. You are in your orbiter while the others wait for you to leave. So "just ignore it" is the response... right... how flaccid... Edited January 2, 2018 by Carnage2K4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)BLOOD-LINE-01 Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, (PS4)IroncladBomber said: It would be nice if any of the Landers did that, though it could be that the we see the inside of the Orbiter, not the Lander. But either way. No it is the Lander. DE have said it quite a few times. I would like to see the inside of the different landers but DE will need to do a bit if a rework on it since we only have the Liset interior for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FashionFrame Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Just now, Carnage2K4 said: So "just ignore it" is the response... right... how flaccid... by Warframe's canon, you're supposed to ignore it. Stop combining ONLINE gameplay with the story. Those Tenno you're seeing didn't go through what you did, they're not actually sitting in their orbiter like you are. They're in their landing craft waiting for you to leave your orbiter and go into your landing craft like them. Makes sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)BLOOD-LINE-01 Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 Just now, Carnage2K4 said: So "just ignore it" is the response... right... how flaccid... Yes. Just like how you ignore how Vor is still alive and fighting next to Lech Krill even after we helpfully seperated his top half from his bottom half previously on the Star Map. Or just like how we ignore the fact that Stalker still has his War sword even though it very clearly broke by the end of The Second Dream. You make it sound like there have been no inconsistencies in Warframe before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnage2K4 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, FashionFrame said: by Warframe's canon, you're supposed to ignore it. Stop combining ONLINE gameplay with the story. Those Tenno you're seeing didn't go through what you did, they're not actually sitting in their orbiter like you are. They're in their landing craft waiting for you to leave your orbiter and go into your landing craft like them. Makes sense? The problem is is assuming I don't understand your points, and you not being able to understand that I don't accept your points due to poor dismissal of something I see as a direct inconsistency visualised every single mission. 3 minutes ago, (PS4)BLOOD-LINE-01 said: Yes. Just like how you ignore how Vor is still alive and fighting next to Lech Krill even after we helpfully seperated his top half from his bottom half previously on the Star Map. Or just like how we ignore the fact that Stalker still has his War sword even though it very clearly broke by the end of The Second Dream. You make it sound like there have been no inconsistencies in Warframe before. Some I live with, others are too 'in your face' to dismiss based on what "they" 'want it to be'... Edited January 2, 2018 by Carnage2K4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FashionFrame Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Carnage2K4 said: The problem is is assuming I don't understand your points, and you not being able to understand that I don't accept your points due to poor dismissal of something I see as a direct inconsistency visualised every single mission. What about DE's point? And the wiki? Both clearly stating what a landing craft and an orbiter actually are. Stop pushing so hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnage2K4 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, FashionFrame said: What about DE's point? And the wiki? Both clearly stating what a landing craft and an orbiter actually are. Stop pushing so hard. DE have countless ideas and concepts that will never be a reality, I go by what I see in game and Occam's razor, the Wiki while good for general info, is still a fan page. I'll change my opinion when it's actually in-game and not before as an abstract half finished concept requiring a suspension of disbelief. Edited January 2, 2018 by Carnage2K4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)BLOOD-LINE-01 Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Carnage2K4 said: The problem is is assuming I don't understand your points, and you not being able to understand that I don't accept your points due to poor dismissal of something I see as a direct inconsistency visualised every single mission. You really need to stop. Warframe is full of inconsistencies that are simply ignored because they are gameplay mechanics. DE have said our “Landing Crafts” dock with a bigger ship called an “Orbiter” at the end of every mission, they have made it clear through devstreams and in-game that it exists. You are just being stubborn for the sake of it. Stop trolling. Edited January 2, 2018 by (PS4)BLOOD-LINE-01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnage2K4 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, (PS4)BLOOD-LINE-01 said: You really need to stop. Warframe is full of inconsistencies that are simply ignored becuase they are gameplay mechanics. DE have said our “Landing Crafts” dock with a bigger ship called an “Orbiter” at the end of every mission, they have made it clear through devstreams and in-game that it exists. You are just being stubborn for the sake of it. My 1st comment on it: 1 hour ago, Carnage2K4 said: Until they fix that, it's the Liset/mantis (whatever) to me, there is no "orbiter" as it's not on the planet map 'orbiting', it's not viable to anyone, 1 concept images does not make a reality and it's pointless making an argument out of the semantics of it. "it's pointless making an argument out of the semantics of it" Yet here we are... I said it was pointless, I said "until they fix it, it will remain to me" but You all kept going. Edited January 2, 2018 by Carnage2K4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuestenjung Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 vor einer Stunde schrieb (PS4)BLOOD-LINE-01: The front part is supposed to be your liset. No it´s not, our cockpit has way more space then the actual Liset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FashionFrame Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Just now, Carnage2K4 said: DE have countless ideas and concepts that will never be a reality, I go by what I see in game and Occam's razor, the Wiki while good for general info, is still a fan page. and yet you still try so hard to argue the "tardis effect" that has even less reality than DE's actual concept design of the orbiter and landing craft. And the fact that IN GAME they refer to both machines as separate titles: "Landing Craft" and 'Orbiter." And just because the wiki has fans that help make it what it is doesn't mean squat when there's enough proof all around what the landing craft and orbiter actually is. http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Landing_Craft#Landing_Craft also, don't forget: The Orbiter is already visible in the game as vessels in the relay skybox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)BLOOD-LINE-01 Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Carnage2K4 said: My 1st comment on it: "it's pointless making an argument out of the semantics of it" Your first comment is moot since everyone has pointed out to that the Orbiters can very clearly be seen in the relays and on the moon map in Lua “orbiting” both. And please don’t act like it’s so pointless, because if it was you wouldn’t have commented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnage2K4 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 minute ago, FashionFrame said: and yet you still try so hard to argue the "tardis effect" that has even less reality than DE's actual concept design of the orbiter and landing craft. And the fact that IN GAME they refer to both machines as separate titles: "Landing Craft" and 'Orbiter." And just because the wiki has fans that help make it what it is doesn't mean squat when there's enough proof all around what the landing craft and orbiter actually is. http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Landing_Craft#Landing_Craft also, don't forget: The Orbiter is already visible in the game as vessels in the relay skybox. FFS... 1 hour ago, Carnage2K4 said: I'll go with the Tardis effect over I said I'll prefer to assume something... I'm not trying to, and have never assumed to try to make anyone else come to that opinion. I'm saying and have always said that the arguments you lot are making are not going to remove that assumption I wilfully make because they do not add up in-game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FashionFrame Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Just now, Carnage2K4 said: FFS... I said I'll prefer to assume something... I'm not trying to, and have never assumed to try to make anyone else come to that opinion. I'm saying and have always said that the arguments you lot are making are not going to remove that assumption I wilfully make because they do not add up in-game. though DE and wiki already has stated as fact, and thus your assumption is false. Also this: 1 minute ago, (PS4)BLOOD-LINE-01 said: Your first comment is moot since everyone has pointed out to that the Orbiters can very clearly be seen in the relays and on the moon map in Lua “orbiting” both. And please don’t act like it’s so pointless, because if it was you wouldn’t have commented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnage2K4 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, (PS4)BLOOD-LINE-01 said: Your first comment is moot since everyone has pointed out to that the Orbiters can very clearly be seen in the relays and on the moon map in Lua “orbiting” both. And please don’t act like it’s so pointless, because if it was you wouldn’t have commented. I comment because you keep talking to me... I've looked, I cannot see this magical Orbiter, if it's there it not directly obvious and to any regular player it's not going to be as obvious as you lot make it out to be. I've played this game for 2 years, I've yet to notice it. Edited January 2, 2018 by Carnage2K4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnage2K4 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, FashionFrame said: though DE and wiki already has stated as fact, and thus your assumption is false. Also this: My assumption saves me looking at one more obvious inconsistency, Until it's in-game nothing will change for me, as I said, DE comes up with a tone of stuff that never really makes it into game, the wiki is not fact, it's based on scraps and fan opinoin... how do you still not get this? I've said it like 3 times now... even in my 1st post addressing this. I don't see an orbiter I don't need to assume it exists. Edited January 2, 2018 by Carnage2K4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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