CapricaSix Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 (edited) I've just noticed this and I apologise if there was already a thread on this. I have a couple of questions if you don't mind: What does this mean really? What can we -as players- expect for the future of the game? Are they going to handle the cash shop pricing, development and marketting decisions from now on or is it still DE's responsibility? And more importantly -even though it's not my place to ask but- was this really necessary... K2 Network/GamersFirst are well known for their abysmal management skills, bad decisions and overpriced cash shop with the games they've got and milked such as APB Reloaded and Fallen Earth {much like Perfect World Entertainment in the sense of a money-hungry big evil corporation image that swallows good games, but probably worse}. I'm just quite worried that Warframe will be only going downwards from this point on, considering their record... Edit: http://www.gamersfirst.com/games/index.php?gameID=35 http://forums.gamersfirst.com/forum/937-/ Edit 2: CLARIFICATION FROM DE_STEVE Hey guys this is just a portal/distribution arrangement, just like Steam is. DE runs/manages/screws-up Warframe, not anyone else.Think of this in the same way as Steam - promotion, exposure to new users, and nothing villainous. :)Sorry for the grief and confusion, I should have posted a heads up. Edited May 10, 2013 by CapricaSix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aramahn Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 I didn't know anything about this partnership. Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BraveDude8 Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 As an APB player, I'm worried. But I'm going to wait for details before doing anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapricaSix Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share Posted May 10, 2013 (edited) I didn't know anything about this partnership. Link? In the OP, edited just now. As an APB player, I'm worried. But I'm going to wait for details before doing anything. I'm right there with you... Edited May 10, 2013 by CapricaSix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleesus Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 (edited) woaahhhhhhhh!!!! nooo!!!They ruined APB imo(Ive been playing that game since RTW), anywhere i can find out more info about this?I just hope G1 doesnt have any say in the development. But ill need more details before passing judgement on this deal. Edited May 10, 2013 by theclinton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellpyre Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 woaahhhhhhhh!!!! nooo!!! They ruined APB imo(Ive been playing that game since RTW), anywhere i can find out more info about this? I just hope G1 doesnt have any say in the development. so can someone tell me what they did with apb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raze4573 Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 This is indeed troubling as I did play games overseen by Gamersfirst and it wasnt the best gaming experience.Nearly everything that put you at same level with other players was for money and limited time, even the tiniest things required money.We already have color schemes for plat but with Gamersfirst we'd have to pay for every single color.I know DE is developing Warframe as a Free2Play game and the only money comes from plat and Founders program but there must be a better way for financing...As this isnt related to the gameplay itself (at least at this stage) I, as a player, will withhold any judgement till we are given details about cooperation between DE and K2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BraveDude8 Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 (edited) I'm also worried that THEY HAVEN'T MENTIONED IT. so can someone tell me what they did with apb? They trashed the game into a pay-to-win sh*tfest, to put it as simply as possible. Edited May 10, 2013 by BraveDude8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dongstrong Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 DE would never do this to us... right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shion963 Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 (edited) So from the intial replies I can construe that Gamersfirst is a bad publisher that turns good f2p games into Pay2play And I agree with above poster, why hasn't there been any official mention of it? EDIT: Perhaps it's just another way for people to get Plat, or delivery system like Steam. Edited May 10, 2013 by Shion963 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellpyre Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 So from the intial replies I can construe that Gamersfirst is a bad publisher that turns good f2p games into Pay2play And I agree with above poster, why hasn't there been any official mention of it? Maybe it might be because is like 3 am where DE is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aramahn Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 I would like to think that with the insane amount of passion the DE team has to get this game right, that Dev's like Steve and such would sooner light the place on fire and quit in a blaze of glory before they see their baby turned into another bastardized product of big business. But I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raze4573 Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Agreed with above. Lets give DE time to wake up, get a daily first win, grind rubedo and then they will surely give us some answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Symbiont71 Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 NO. I played perfect world and NO, i don't want Warframe to turn into that kind of money-hungry game. My reaction: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morcant Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 I have no experience with Gamersfirst, but you folks haven't painted a rosy picture. I am hopeful that this is merely another avenue of distribution, not unlike Steam. I'll reserve my panic for the time being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aramahn Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 (edited) Ok by the looks of the links, they are using Gamersfirst to help distribute and market the game. Prayerfully, this deal includes zero rights to development or management of the game. Edit: Like Morcant just said before me, similar to how they use Steam. Edited May 10, 2013 by Aramahn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sGs.Proto Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 i dont have any experience with gamersfirst ever, but this is getting me worried... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zorinho20 Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Are they worse than rEApers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfluffy Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 I will have to keep an eye on how devs respond to this and I hope they will at least put our fears to rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapricaSix Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share Posted May 10, 2013 They trashed the game into a pay-to-win sh*tfest, to put it as simply as possible. I can confirm that. Not to mention selling "permanent" weapons {PS: all the "free" inferior weapons in APB are normally leased for ingame money} for about $40-60, which is quite mental considering they balance the weapons to death a month later. Along with $20-30 worth mostly half-arsed low-res outfits which are purely cosmetic in a game that takes pride in customisation. That's all well from a business stand point but f2p players are being completely left out in this case. Basically they've stopped adding new content to the game aside from ridiculous little "fun" additions that break the game which nobody asked for and random grind events {ever since the original went bankrupt because of their debts}, instead they started adding more and more into the cash shop, leaving the bugs and exploits in their place, ignoring players' demands/suggestions {nearly no communication aside from taunting people on the forums on a personal level} and more importantly ignoring the game and server performance which is deteriorating with every new patch they release. Killing the game one patch at a time and milking the playerbase, still a fun game but they're just bad. That being said, I'm saying all this under the assumption that Gamersfirst have merged with Reloaded Productions {APB devs} thus the decisions they make are the same, so anyone feel free to correct me. I've been playing that game for 3 years and only seen it go from bad to worse in the sense of management. It's like the complete opposite of DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraumaHunter Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 This worries me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegendairyWarframe Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 NO. I played perfect world and NO, i don't want Warframe to turn into that kind of money-hungry game. My reaction: This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cifrer Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 I was a huge fan of FE when it first got started, but it really went downhill when G1 took over :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGD2 Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Definitely troubling news... Looking through the links and announcements, there's not a single positive thing to be said about Gamersfirst. I was going to buy myself a founder's pack during the weekend or early next week, but after finding this information I think I'll wait until someone at DE sheds some light on Gamersfirst's role in the partnership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Don't do it Digital Extremes G1 F*** up everything they touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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