schilds

Do you really believe that most of the people who bring up level cap in discussions on the forums actually play to level cap? Good one!

And they said Warframe choices don't matter! The feedback subforum is probably appropriate.

I'm not going to continue an argument with someone who compares losing one chance out of eight for a virtual item to losing a job and a house. Our values are too different and we're clearly not ever going to see eye to eye (nor do I particularly want to).

You're comparing virtual items with a job and a home? And it's not even the case you won't get *any* of them at all. We're talking missing out just one chance out of eight to equip a frame + weapon of your choice. If you don't play that many frames in the first place, that's not some kind of great sacrifice.

See that "if" and that "want" (my emphasis). You don't *need* the extra chance at a shard/arcane. I got bored of Kahl's missions (with an even more restrictive loadout) and stopped playing them, meaning I gave up an archon shard each week. People who don't like rng loadouts have the same choice with DA. They don't even have to skip the whole game mode. They can take a frame and weapon of their choice and still get *more* rewards from doing DA than they would from regular netracells. It's a tradeoff. The tradeoff is efficiency. Besides: they're going to cap their arcanes, and we're talking people who play a limited number of frames and definitely don't "need" so many shards.

Ok, so I just realised the loadout restrictions change *daily* even though DA is *weekly*. Not sure that's intended, but it means you have far more options available to you. So any lone picture of 9 terrible weapon options needs to be 7 such pictures, one for each day of the week :P. [edit] Just read the patch notes and I guess it wasn't intended.

Yep.

I got halfway through the exterminate without hiding in a corner, which is enough to prove to me that Banshee can 1) kill stuff and 2) survive in a *group* without hiding. I don't recall you saying anything about solo, that was just me running a test. She can contribute more than her fair share. Simply having more people around in a group makes it far easier to survive. Higher enemy density makes it easier to keep up on energy too. If you want, I'll play with my build and practice at it until I can complete the whole thing solo with Banshee and take a screenie for you :P. Oh, and my Amphis is not even fully modded ... I mean, why am I even using an Amphis. I could just stick the Torid on and take the last restriction. Here we go, exterminate done with all the restrictions except the primary swapped out for the Torid: For all you know, though, I took half an hour and hid in every corner :-P.

I didn't get Banshee for my rng loadout, but I *did* equip her and weapons from that screenshot with all but one restriction and and try her out solo in DA (which you can replay as often as you like). You know how I've been saying all along you're not *forced* to take a loadout? Hey, guess what, not only can you take your favourite loadout along, you can *also* take along the loadout someone else claims will require you hide in the corner .... Like .. I mean it's as if I have the freedom to equip whatever I want! Magic!

That player doesn't have to hide in a corner without a weapon, so what exactly am I "coping" with? [edit] So on testing it, at lvl 300 Banshee can kill just fine with the Amphis (I mean, she has armour strip and sonar, so ...) and she survives just fine with shield gate. So in fact, she can probably drop either the energy or operator debuff. Solo might be touch-and-go since you can't slip up, but in a squad she'll be fine without "hiding in a corner".

Why would a player need to hide in the corner with Banshee? Why would a player need to pray someone else has weapons when they can just take their own? We must be talking about a player who doesn't know how to mod and can't give up 50 vosfor.

1. You're late to the argument. This thread is old and at this point we're just regurgitating the same points. 2. You're taking things way out of context here. The context is that people were claiming that they are being "forced" into accepting all restrictions. My use of "optional" is in response to their use of "forced". The restrictions are optional. You don't have to tick them, and given that the top reward is 50 vosfor (back at the start of the argument we thought it would be a legendary arcane) then the fomo is close to nil and you are entirely free to take one thing of your choice. I won't say totally nil because there's probably someone who can't give up even the tiniest of rewards - but quite frankly I don't' have a lot of sympathy for someone who feels that 50 vosfor "forces" them to play with all restrictions. That was my entire point. I'm not arguing that rng loadouts are fun. Just that you are not being *forced* into it.

Luckily you can run a weapon or frame of your choice and all you'll miss out is 50 vosfor.

Yes they did. We were told the rewards were netracell rewards.

Would have been nicer implemented as additional in-mission options: hacking a console, using the scanner to spot a trail, etc.