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6 minutes ago, aligatorno said:
Please try to understand how tenses work. I was refering to pre-zariman. You are grasping at straws and twist information to fit your liking. There's no evidence of warframes as we know them or even at all existed before zariman, all their powers come from the void energy the tenno provide. Your theory relies entirely on the premise that there were warframes with powers before the tenno, but the current lore is denying it completely.
On top of that, if the Orokin had ways to make frames like Limbo without the need of a tenno, why did they save them and used them for war ? Why use unstable kids if you can put scientists and soldiers inside warframes?
Because it's not as compatible with Regular humans ... What are you implying? I just proved with a lore extract that you don't have to be a Tenno to do transference, the orokin were already adept at the Continuity ritual, for all we know the entities in the wall could be the Orokin, it could be Ballas trying to get back to the mortal plain.
The man in the wall seemingly did something to Rell and gained access to Rell's warframe Harrow while they were both stuck in the wall...
From The War Within only moments pass and we almost lose our minds during this process ... Rell was stuck in there for so much longer with this entity, it's possible this entity was once like Rell itself, it could be Ballas corrupted etc.
You don't need to be a Tenno to become one with the void Corrupted Vor is one such example, Ballas could have done something similar to what Vor has done to become energy ... The OROKIN made the VOID KEYS in the first place Vor was trying to understand it and got lucky that the Void key chose him to become immortal, Ballas and the other orokin could have all possibly been in the void this entire time ... What was it that Ordis was told when he killed them?
"Ordis Transmission
[29] I stare, drained of blood, of life, at those that remain. But I find no horror on their faces. Why? I let out a cruel howl and they... laugh? Is this a dying hallucination? The sound of applause grows among them. I have killed the unkillable and they are... delighted. (Sounds pretty insane to me, the orokin made void keys, vor is now immortal because of this the orokin are boasting about their immortality, some of the stuff they do or how they behave is utterly insane connect the dots ...)
[30] The applause peaks and fades. I feel a sense of shame but the end upon me. Ballas is above me, Executor of the Seven, smiling. He says, 'How simple and pure you are, you idiot beast. We have died countless times! Yet remain eternal!' I close my eyes to die just once."
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Continuity
Not to be confused with Transference.
Continuity is a ritual first mentioned in The War Within, and is suggested to be the ritual the Orokin used for their supposed immortality.
Continuity, in it's very essence, is the transfer of a consciousness from one body to another, with Kuva playing a role in it. According to the War Within quest, the Orokin used this ritual for their immortality.
From dialog and scenery in the previously mentioned quest, the ritual most likely consisted of old and dying Orokin going to a Yuvan theatre, where young and beautiful would be put up for display and selection. The Orokin would then select the person whose body they would use as their new body, after which the Orokin would invade said person's mind to, as Teshin describes it, fill it with despair until only the Orokin remains inside the body. It also is suggested by the Cephalon fragment recordings that Orokin can also participate in continuity even after their body has died.
Speculation
Because of the nature of Continuity, it might be so that we will see (more) Orokin returning in the future, as Continuity is possible even after death. This mainly might be the reason why the Grineer under the leadership of Worm are seen harvesting Kuva, to prepare for the continuity to, if the player selected moon or neutral choices in the War Within, resurrect the fallen queen. It's also up for speculation is how the ritual works in detail.
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Think about it ...
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7 minutes ago, aligatorno said:
You pretty much said it yourself, Excalibur was the first. The warframes were molded after the tenno, even if some prototypes existed pre-zariman, there's no evidence that that someone could have harnessed and use void energy like the tenno can in order to use such powers.
Haveeeee you done the titania quest?
"These past weeks, I've been secretly testing Transference on myself. I can only survive short bursts - linking to Titania the way only Tenno can stand. I've never felt anything like it. A tortured presence, like an evil ink, staining my mind. But... it worked. I'm going to use this wrong to make right."
Don't need to be tenno to do Transference ...
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With the Shrine completely defended, the voice introduces itself as Silvana, the Archimedean responsible for both Titania and the Silver Grove, now permanently bound to the latter by Transference. When the Orokin learned that she pilfered their resources to create the grove, a battalion of Dax soldiers was sent to burn down the forest, but they were cut down by Titania. Titania's wounds claimed her in this battle, and she died in the Silver Grove, protecting the woman who hated her the most – Silvana. Amaryn vows that the player will allow Titania to fly once more, earning Silvana's gratitude.
Upon extraction, players will receive the Titania Neuroptics Blueprint. Amaryn will also send a message to the player's inbox, declaring that the New Loka will need to change its doctrines moving forward to be more accepting of the truth, and giving the Tenno a Titania Blueprint, thus completing the quest.
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35 minutes ago, Xenox_Ilz-ot said:
Still, your theory doesn't make sense, The Indefference said that we were nothing without him, hence, it cannot be Limbo.
What if the operator for the Limbo was an Orokin ... "we would be nothing without him" would be true the Orokin developed the warframes ... *Ballas* continued to work on the warframe projects
What if he was the operator, where is Ballas now?????
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Just now, Xenox_Ilz-ot said:
Still, your theory doesn't make sense, The Indefference said that we were nothing without him, hence, it cannot be Limbo.
You forget void exposure makes people insane ...
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2 minutes ago, Nowe999 said:
All of the dialogue from the Limbo theorem you took directly out of context. Warframe probably had NO IDEA that when they released this that there would be a frame in similar name to a definitive word.
Secondly this was also before the Second dream and therefore we didn't even know ANYHING was even controlling the Warframes until then.
Exactly they've been building upon previous lore so what are you getting at?
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Just now, Xenox_Ilz-ot said:
He said "most certainly", like you it's just a speculation.
He's claiming that it's fact ... soooo "most certainly" =
- superlative form of certainly: most certainly
4 minutes ago, aligatorno said:Limbo was most certainly made after the Zariman incident, and his quest most likely is post war.
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After starting the quest, the player will receive an inbox message from Ordis himself.
So, this 'Limbo Theorem' you picked up, it's supposed to lead to a new Warframe? Well, it's woefully incomplete!
Half-written proofs, unfinished equations, what idiot wrote this mess??
Okay. Okay. There is one thing here, a constant, a tuning frequency but it's so minute, the Liset's antenna would never be able to...
...unless...go to your nav console, I have an idea.
"Well, it's woefully incomplete!" Prototype failure coverup by the orokin
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1 minute ago, aligatorno said:
Limbo was most certainly made after the Zariman incident, and his quest most likely is post war.
Where does it say that please link proof?
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1 minute ago, FINNSTAR7 said:
Definitely overthinking this. It's pretty obvious The Man in the Wall is Void related and possibly has something to do with the Zariman children's parents going insane (which happened long before Limbo).
Yes but specifically 'THE' man in the wall, that isn't to say there are not other entities in there already making people insane ... the exposure to the Limbo operator could have caused him to go insane since he was stuck there from his failed rift walk attempt ... eventually succumbing to the madness of the void but knowing how to get back was trying to use Rell
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Just now, Xenox_Ilz-ot said:
Oh god, someone explain to him that's not possible.
Lore confirm that I'm wrong I'll wait :P Just find me a spot on the timeline when Limbo was made that dismisses my coverup theory when the Orokin were trying to understand the void more and building warframes to travel to all plains/dimensions of it.
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Just now, aligatorno said:
The only problem I think is that he knew about the Man in the Wall ever since they were on Zariman, at least that's what the comic's ending implies.
I was thinking of that too but I can't seem to find a timeline on when the first Limbo was engineered by the orokin ... it could predate but not earlier than excalibur since he is stated to be the first, they may have been trying to understand the void and when the Operator and Warframe were lost to the void they may have scratched the project and we only have Acquired Limbo from finding the scattered pieces ... it could be a cover up.
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Just now, JSharpie said:
Harrowing - acutely distressing.
I think you're reaching.
*Corrupted vor laughs* Energy can't be destroyed ...
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Gonna leave this here and see if people think I'm crazy ...
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Going to put a spoiler bar for the text describing my theory ..
Just incase anybody clicks this thread on accident and has not done 'Chains of Harrow' Quest
SpoilerThe first Limbo might be the man in the wall!?
Harrow is referenced before he was a playable warframe ... For those who have done the Quest for Harrow and know who Rell is ... you'll understand what I'm getting at about how Rell was kept alive and the connection he had with his warframe.
The Tenno who used Limbo kept jumping the rift and made a mistake and seemingly died, perhaps the operator and the warframe were both destroyed from the mortal plain of existence but are now stuck in the void.
"The final part. I cannot wait. What harrowing leaps of cross-dimensional gymnastics will he attempt next?" (harrowing)
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"Excellent, the final Theorem and it's unfragmented. Processing.
Oh, wait, Limbo, no that's a mistake, you don't want to go there. It's too big a jump. You can't rift walk... ohh. Oh no.
Operator, I think I know why we're finding Limbo parts scattered throughout the system. His final rift walk was a miscal... disaster. Well, perhaps when you occupy this frame, you will use more... caution."
Think about it ...
SpoilerThe Lotus wonders how Rell has lived so long without cryosleep, and Palladino clarifies that he has transferred his entire consciousness to his 'undying vessel', aka his Warframe, before asking the Red Veil to chain the Warframe. One last message is encountered by the player upon encountering the first of Rell's emotions:
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Palladino exclaims that Rell's spirit has returned to his Warframe, and asks the player to come to the Temple where he is kept to perform one last act. Meanwhile, Lotus ascribes the occurrences that Rell describes as psychological damage caused by his prolonged Transference loop in the void.
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The player must now proceed deep inside an Orokin Derelict which houses the Warframe in which Rell's consciousness is imprisoned in, as Palladino reveals that the Warframe must be destroyed, killing Rell along with it to grant him peace. Players must find the central temple room, consisting of a large tree red with embers, and enter through a hole in its base to get below. Halfway down, Palladino asks that the Tenno only enter via their "true, sacred form", thus forcing them to exit via Transference as the Operator.
The Operator soon reaches the altar, where a Warframe is hung by chains in the center. Palladino asks the Operator to destroy the chains so Rell can be freed, and the player must use their Void Beam to destroy the chains that are lit in blue. Destroying the first chain however reveals that there is a malevolent being inside the Warframe that is not Rell, who then begins attacking the Operator with fireball attacks while sending Red Veil Fanatics against them.
What this could mean is that the Tenno who was in control of Limbo made a mistake while using Transference ...
His physical Tenno body and Warframe were destroyed in the process and are either not completely dead because of Limbo's stasis ability or perhaps this Tenno found other entities within the void and was kept alive without a Warframe or Tenno body ... Corrupted Vor anybody???
It could be possible that This tenno had a Void key on their person or should I say warframe as they made their final rift walk, was converted into energy just as Vor was and cannot return to the moral plain of existence ... Being unable to return or to die caused a prolonged Transference loop in the void eventually driving this Tenno operative insane.
Rell realized something was not right in the void that there is an insane entity 'The original Limbo's Tenno' fast forward to when you destroy the first chain binding Harrow reveals that there is a malevolent being inside the Warframe that is not Rell ... The Limbo operator is trying to come back.
That's my theory ... 'tips fedora'
Am I onto something the fact that "The final part. I cannot wait. What harrowing leaps of cross-dimensional gymnastics will he attempt next?" was referenced earlier in the game has got me looking waaaay too deep into this lol
*Grab a hat you're gonna need it ... ESPECIALLY ON THE SECOND PAGE!*
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*When you see it lol.*
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What I would give for more capacity lol
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3 hours ago, MirageKnight said:
No it wouldn't be cool, because that would completely remove Oberon's ability to turn choke points into DOT / kill zones by laying strategically-placed carpets - a feature that at least some of us Oberon players find rather useful. It's not just a status-removal / armour buff zone for friendlies you know.
move into the chokepoint ... cast hallowed ground ... walk away ... profit? With enough range it wouldn't matter if it was a circle or a rectangle.
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7 minutes ago, TheDefenestrater said:
How about making enemies affected by it (rather than killed by it) drop health orbs on death. That way you don't have to kill with it to get the health orb benefit.
That would be really nice for smite I think
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5 hours ago, Trickst3rGawd said:
SOMEONE SPITBALL IDEAS FOR BUFFS TO RECKONING BEFORE DIS IS OVER BECAUSE IT NEEDS SOMETHING TO MAKE IT FEEL LIKE A REAL ULTIMATE NOT UNDERPOWERED THANK YOU ALL
I'm going to link my old concept for Oberon that has been archived now so people can read over the entire topic, I'm not suggesting the entirety of my concept to be used just a fraction for the upcoming rework.
Would be nice if some of his abilities were combined making space for a new 4th.
1st Combination his passive with Hallowed ground so players have more control over when we want to make friendly pets.
2nd Combination is Renewal with Reckoning that way it doesn't matter if it doesn't scale up, the reason is because on a high level mission you won't do much damage and you will be much safer casting a Renewal that crowd controls enemies around you reducing the risk of you being downed as you make efforts to support your allies.
3rd Combination Hallowed ground and Reckonings crowd control upon cast
The combination would improve him greatly and remove the debate that he is trying to be a bit of everything, the 4th ability I'm suggesting is Paladin theme focused while the rest of his abilities seem a bit more on the Druid side.
The rework we've been shown still doesn't fit the Paladin theme ... Perhaps as people have debated he is a 'Paladin class Druid' but even with this rework he is still just a Druid ... I feel my 4th ability concept really cements the Paladin element.
The extracted ability from my old concept that could be used as a new 4th ability is ...
Divine Olifant
(15m, 20m, 25m, 30m Taunt Radius)(Toggled ability with energy drain. Oberon selects and summons a Divine weapon immobilizing him for 3 seconds whilst taunting all enemies in radius during the weapon selection, after the horn has been sounded Oberon is granted a Divine weapon set. Each set comes with a unique shield that gives Oberon enhancements, all 4 weapons use the same attack combinations but the attacks and animations are varying dependant on which set you are currently wielding. For example one set could have precise slashes and another may have brutish heavy strikes but the combos remain the same to avoid confusion.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olifant_(instrument)Oberon sounds the horn to summon one of his four divine weapon sets whilst taunting all enemies within range.Divine Weapons List;Hammer and Shield - Ice element (Hammer looks like a frozen brick of ice.)
Ice damage, Blocking has a guaranteed status proc whilst channelling granting - Increased mobility and attack speed.
(You slow down enemies and speed yourself up)
Flail and Shield - Toxin element (Flail looks like tentacles made from infested tissue with hard barbs or claws at the end.)
Toxic damage, Blocking has a guaranteed status proc whilst channelling granting - Increased damage reflection.
(Refer to http://warframe.wiki...wiki/Reflection)
Mace and Shield - Fire element (Mace looks like a large smouldering coal.)
Fire damage, Blocking has a guaranteed status proc whilst channelling granting - A percentage of damage Reflected is converted to health.
(Refer to http://warframe.wiki.../Quick_Thinking)Sword and Shield - Electricity element (Sword looks like a a lightning bolt with flickering edges)
Electricity damage, Blocking has a guaranteed status proc whilst channelling granting - A percentage of damage Reflected is converted to energy.
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7 hours ago, Archwizard said:
I remind you: Oberon has always been advertised as a Paladin. Some of us are still waiting on one.
I feel the same way, I made a concept last year sometime I think ... which was focused on making him more Paladin themed.
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1 hour ago, Viscerataunt said:
Simple solution: WoF only targets enemies that are already on fire, meaning you or teammates would need to use an ability or weapon with fire damage to first set the target on fire and then WoF would take over. Damage and energy consumed might have to be fiddled with some, but overall i think it might even things out in lower level missions and if damage was slightly increased it would be more viable in higher level missions. More reason to use fireball and fire blast also
That's a pretty neato idea too!
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Still broken ...
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1 hour ago, Fallen_Echo said:
IS this a necro?
No this is a topic that [DE] commented on and then didn't give follow up comments on :c the anticipation is too much,
Check the dates of all the posts ;)
Man in the wall ... possible identity!
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See this guy gets it :D