(NSW)Belaptir
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1 minute ago, DatDarkOne said:
How the hell did he beat every one on Hydron. I just fought him yesterday and I saw just how nerfed he was compared to the other 7-9 times I've faced him.
On console we are behind pc players in terms of updates. Right now, he's as tanky as the first day for us.
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7 minutes ago, DatDarkOne said:
Ummmm, why should they be able too? There is no reason what so ever for a low MR to be able to kill the Wolf. Just as there is no reason for a low MR to be able to kill Stalker, Grustrag 3, or Zanuka. They just don't have the mods needed for their gear to effectively fight them. Also, rarely do any of these enemies appear on low level areas unless a higher player is present also. Meaning that once that low MR player reaches the point where they can meet those enemies, they are no longer considered to be low MR (lower than MR 7).
I'm just confused at the reasoning that low Mr should be able to beat Wolf. That's like saying P-51 Mustang should be able to beat a F-22 Raptor. 😄
Exactly, nobody is saying that the low MR should be able to beat Wolf. We're saying that Wolf shouldn't appear on a mission full of low MR players because they won't be able to fight him. That's why people is asking for a different way of spawning him and saying that the way it is now, it's poor game design.
The stalker will only appear after a certain point. And Zanuka and G3 will only appear under certain conditions and, most importantly, will activate the extraction as soon as they appear. On top of that, they are nowhere near as hard to kill as Wolf and, in case of the stalker (which won't activate extraction on spawn) will leave you alone the moment he kills you once.
With the Wolf none of this happens. And he can appear in any mission to any player.
5 minutes ago, Test-995 said:Oh it's nice i didn't know that.
No, he doesn't. Just suffered him on hydron a few hours ago and he didn't go. Either if it's a bug or intended, IDK, but he doesn't escape after everyone is downed. Reason why most people will leave the game when he spawns.
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I came here expecting to read how someone wanted to ride their rubico, I'm extremely disappointed that they meant this kind of "auto mode" and not what I was thinking smh.
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I like the idea, it's less violent for the kubrow. However, I don't see them adding it because one of the core mechanics of the game is the time-gating of stuff (and to a point understandable, given we have a f2p game). Removing this time-gating would mean people won't have the chance of paying plat (spend money) to rush the incubation.
If the point is about not destroying the kubrow lairs (which I don't like either), we could make so, on every lair, you can press the action button to "search for an egg". Giving to that action the same chance of finding an egg than the one we have now for destroying it. Of course, to avoid exploiting, you can only search once per lair.
EDIT: I suggest you to add something more descriptive to the title of your thread, so people can know in a quick glance what's the topic about.
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2 minutes ago, (XB1)Tatakai no Kami said:
Not at all what you said, Stop trying to move the goal post and admit you were wrong.
No, I get that, You don't seem to get the point that if you aren't willing to be prepared for the chance he may spawn. Don't complain that it is broken because you got wrecked because you chose not to be prepared. You keep ignoring or not understanding that point just so you can come back with a stupid unrelated answer.
No, it's not. Wrong again.
https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/can't+be+arsedYep, and I wouldn't expect an MR0 to be prepared for Zanuka, The Grustrag 3 or "What Stalker?"
Nope, again you missed the part where I said I was unprepared twice. You did not see me on the forums complaining about how he was too tough and he killed me one time, and the other time took 5 minutes to whittle him down. You also don't see me bragging I've soloed him several times.
Wow, just... wow. You really don't see that there is people in a low MR that is unable to fight him and beat him, right? I'm out of this discusion, it's pointless to try to discuss something with someone who won't see other than their truth.
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2 minutes ago, (XB1)Tatakai no Kami said:
No, it seems you don't.
Also, you consider the easiest way is to do an event that comes along every few months for a week. Rather than the spy mission which is always there?
Did I say that? No. The point I made was that you don't go on an Eidolon Hunt with an MK-1 Braton, you go prepared. A point you are completely ignoring to make up disingenuous idiotic responses. because you don't want to plan for the Wolf in any of your missions. You just want him to spawn and die at your feet with no effort and drop the L33T hammer parts.
That's not the phrase.
And no the point I'm making is if you "Can't be Ar**d" to prepare for fighting the wolf, then that's on you, and don't come here complaining about how hard he is or how he wrecks you over and over.
Phew... where do I begin?
You want to go that way? Yes, they are exclusive. They drop only in 2 places, 1 are the events and the other a single spy mission. Yes, they are exclusive of those two places. Nowhere else you can find them. They won't drop you a molten impact or a shocking touch that can be found almost everywhere.
And yes, I consider them easier there because that single mission is a pain and you rarely find anyone doing it. So yes, many people think that it's easier to wait for the acolytes rather than doing a mission they consider a pain.
Then, you seem to not understand that the wolf can appear in every single mission of the star chart while the eidolon is a boss located in a certain point at a certain time. You can't compare them because they are far from being comparable. My point stands; a MR0 with an MK-1 Braton won't go fighting an Eidolon even if they find it in the plains. They'll move away from him and continue with whatever they were doing; the same MR0 with an MK-1 Braton can find the Wolf while levelling it on the Earth defense. See how silly is saying what you said? Nobody said that we want him to spawn and die at our feet with no effort. But it is clear that spawning such a beast in a random mission where there can be people unprepared is not the way to go. Again, what many of us are suggesting is a different way of making him spawn: call it beacons, call it a mission node where you need points to enter (much like the ambulas), call it an acolyte type of enemy that works like those acolytes from the stalker but without the general HP bar they have.
Lastly, yes, it is the phrase. You can't ask a MR0 to be prepared for the wolf. They won't be able to. Can't you understand that there is people like that? Did you really forget what means to be a MR0? Or are you just behaving like an elitist that doesn't care about anyone except themselves?
Again, the point you are making is "if you can't be prepared for the wolf, I don't care, it's your problem and no one else's because I'm always preapred for and everyone should be". You really don't get that there is people unable to fight him, and it's incredibly selfish from you.
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Just now, Kylo. said:
Have you considered trying to do the /dnd in chat?
I never knew that was a thing! Uhm... now I feel kinda silly! But thanks for letting me know!
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Would it be too difficult to add the possibility of set yourself to AFK or Do Not Disturb while you are not in mission so if anyone sends you a pm or looks for you in their friend list can see it?
When being iout of mission, it would be nice if we could set ourselves to AFK (or be set automatically after a while) so when someone contacts us, they can see that we are not answering because of this. Sometimes I leave the game open while I do something out of it that's not really time consuming (maybe 15 mins) but that doesn't require me to turn off the game; and since I'm in my orbiter, being afk is not harmful to anyone. However, more than once I've found that this period grew longer than the initial 15 mins and find that someone contacted me a while ago without getting an answer. With this status, they could know that I'm not available and if, I don't reply, they know why.
With the DND/Busy status,we could use it for something different. For example I might be decorating the orbiter, or the dojo and for me it would be easy to not see a pm that someone has just send me. So, again, for them to know that I'm not available, could be something useful.
Last, in both cases, we should be able to not accept party invites (it would be an option that we can turn on or off) so when someone tries to invite us to a party they receive a message saying: This person is AFK/DND and can't be invited to your party.
Almost forgot, in the case they send you a pm while you are on this status, they'd receive an auto-answer saying "This person is AFK/DND right now, they might not reply you right away".
EDIT: It seems there was a command to do that in the chat but I never manage to discover it. Thanks for letting me know. Ignore this post.
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16 minutes ago, Test-995 said:
Let's think about it, "Now eidolon hydrolist spawns on normal missions randomly, be sure to bring good gear!"
It'll be total chaos, newbie killer, and making levelling harder.
I like it.
God! Me wants!! Can't wait to see a Hydrolist spawn on Hydron, or even better, on a Uranus underwater spy! I'd love to see an hydrolist diving!
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2 minutes ago, (XB1)Tatakai no Kami said:
So, tell me again how I was wrong when I said they don't just drop exclusive mods, because 5 of them can be gotten from Lua Spy? You do know the meaning of "exclusive" right?
Yeah, you can find an Eidolon while levelling weapons if you're free roaming on the Plains. But you're ignoring my point which was well made to make stupid responses.
No, I'm saying equip one weapon that allows you to fight the Wolf. If you choose not to when you know there is an increasing chance for the wolf to spawn. That's on you for choosing not to be prepared. I'm not even MR27 yet. I didn't realise there were enough points to be MR27 until I saw people mentioning it today.I do know it, but you don't seem to. Almost all are completely exclusive to the acolytes and 5 of them can be found also in a spy mission that almost nobody does. I'd consider them also exclusive since the easiest way of finding them is an acolyte. Theoretically, they aren't, but technically they are since nobody does spy lua anyway.
You must be the only player that free roams on the plains to level up weapons and, when sees an Eidolon, stays fighting it instead of moving a couple hundred meters away from him to avoid all danger. Or do the Teralyst follow you across the plains? I guess that's something from the new plains, because I never saw an Eidolon do such things. I'm not ignoring your point, you made a stupid point; it's ok, happens to everybody.
And yes, you are basically saying that everyone should be prepared to fight the wolf as if that was something that everybody can do. You don't seem to understand that there is people who can't be asked to be prepared to fight him and will encounter him anyway. Or that there are a lot of situations in which you can't be prepared, but then again, you are blinded by your bias. You think that everybody is like you, and that, since you play like that and works for you, everybody else should, actually, you are just saying that it's your problem if someone just started playing a week ago, hasn't even reached Helene and has to encounter and suffer the wolf because they are not prepared. I guess you never were a MR1 that had to level up his new paris (not the prime), along with the bo and the kunai on Lith, Earth.
Elitist, much?
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This is something that is not really necessary for the game, but it would help us not screwing up a build we just made. When you are in the upgrade screen of a piece of gear, there's that button to "Remove all" that, as it says, removes all the mods equiped in that loadout. It's very convenient when you want to try a completely new build but if you misclick it, you erase your build. I know it's not a game breaking deal, but just a simple prompt saying "Are you sure you want to remove all the mods?" would save us from this.
Also, I don't know in the other platforms, but on switch the button to remove a mod and to remove all is the same, X, and sometimes, the system won't detect that the cursor is over a mod and when you press X expecting to remove only that mod, it destroys the whole build.
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24 minutes ago, (XB1)Tatakai no Kami said:
Yes, I thought it through.
No, the Acolytes do not drop only exclusive mods, They drop crap too.Except they do? The only place you can get any of the acolytes mods is fighting acolytes. Granted, there are 5 out of the total 20 mods that can be found in Lua Spy mission. That's all. The rest are exclusive mods you can't find anywhere else. That is exactly what means "exclusive". Be them crap or not, they are exclusive from the acolytes event.
And no, it seems you didn't think it too much. You can't find an eidolon while leveling up weapons, or while being a mr1 that is levelling his newly acquired rhino in a venus defense mission. You can, however, find the wolf while doing that.
You are acting as if everyone was a MR27 that has everything already maxed and can afford going to all missions with a full set of L30 equipment fully forma'ed.
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5 minutes ago, (XB1)Tatakai no Kami said:
Then deal with the fact you're not prepared for him if he arrives. Just like if you take a Braton MK-1 on an Eidolon hunt.
Comparing wolf to an Eidolon hunt? Really? Have you even thought about this before typing it?
6 minutes ago, (XB1)Tatakai no Kami said:Most of the times the other Assassins only drop a crap mod too.
Sure, but none of them are time limited.And in the event they are (take acolytes), they drop only exclusive mods. Not a molten impact.
Honestly, your are starting to sound like someone who must defend this no matter what. As if you were the one designing it and were offended by the critics.
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1 minute ago, (XB1)Tatakai no Kami said:
No, it's true in any mission. Not having radiation weapons on you does not make it any less true. It makes it just as true. I've been caught out on hydron too. I was levelling my Rattleguts and another weapon at the time, and the rattleguts had enough radiation damage (less than 500) to make a difference.
The choice is up to you. Knowing The Wolf can spawn anywhere, you chose whether you are prepared for that chance or to ignore it and accept you will get wrecked if he shows.
The Wolf is not poorly designed, he has his known weakness. Not being prepared for him is on you.I'm sorry but no. It's not on me. For a huge amount of reasons I might not be carrying a radiation weapon with me, and I shouldn't be forced to. Specially in a pug where I will be matched with people that could or could not be carrying something useful against him. Heck, even if I am carrying a radiation weapon, I might be paired with 3 more people that won't and that sooner or later will probably leave me alone against him (with a nice full heal for him every single time a host migration happens, mind you).
What if I'm carrying a viral build to do the nightwave challenge of today while I level up other weapons? What if I'm trying new builds for my weapons? What if I'm unlocking a riven that requires having the extinguished dragon key on me? If the stalker appears in any of these cases, you can take him down. If zanuka or the g3 appear, you can fight them back. If the wolf appears, you can't. That, or you get ready to spend a huge amount of time to try to kill him to then get an impressive molten impact as drop. He is poorly designed because he is just a bullet sponge that appears randomly and screws you and most of the times won't drop anything but a crap mod.
I could be ok with this kind of fight if, for example, there would be a place where he spawns, or if the fight was something like the acolytes. But like this? It's poor design completely.
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2 hours ago, (XB1)Tatakai no Kami said:
Radiation does big damage to him. Arca Plasmor, any of the kitguns with a radiation build will shred him. If everyone has radiation damage on their weapons it doesn't take long to take him down. Just ignore the fugitives until he is dead as they are invulnerable until then. But avoid their damage. if you can kite the wolf to another area where the fugitives can't spam their molotovs at you, even better.
That's only true when he appears in a mission where you are not levelling. I just saw him on hydron. I had my tatsu as the backup weapon while was levelling the rest. As soon as he appeared, one left. When I managed to mow down his hp bar a 25% roughly, the host died and left, making host migration and replenishing wolf's health. At that point, in 2, with a poor guy that had nothing but his gara at level 30 (being a mr7), he decided at wave 5 to extract, leaving me alone.
Sure, yes, in the case that you have a radiation build in the weapon you are bringing, you might stand a chance, but he appears whenever he wants, should I be forced to bring a lvl 30 weapon with radiation always just because the wolf is so poorly designed that it's simply a bullet sponge that nobody wants to fight?
Right now, the wolf is just a lottery, if you find him with some good weapon equipped, you stand a chance against him, if you are on hydron levelling stuff, good luck, because you're going to need a lot of it.
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It's not just the profit taker fight, it's everything related to fortuna that looks boring unless you have a very defined set of frames (and even weapons). I've made a post in reddit about this now that I've played Fortuna content for a while and got downvoted to hell.
Problem is that DE can't seem to find a way of adding difficult to the game without it being a brute force challenge (brute force because you either need a very damage resistant frame or a very high damage dealing weapon). The profit taker fight is something that only a few select frames can do. But not only, the enemies are inmune to an incredible amount of skills (and in arbitrary ways that don't make sense in the lore of the game). Some can even see invisible frames! For what I've noticed, several enemies can shoot through the rift (and are immune to its effects), they can also shoot through frost snowglobe and even through walls. Most of the crowd control skills are practically useless in fortuna since they affect a select number of enemies, not all of them. This ends up with the belief that "the best CC is death".
This basically limits your options to a very small amount of privileged warframes that can take on every mission there. What's the point on bringing a limbo if none of his skills work? Or frost of his signature move, the snowglobe, doesn't protect from fire? Why would you try a stealthy approach if there are enemies that can see invisible frames?
One of the things I like from warframe is the variety of content that allows for so many different gameplay styles, but if to do the latest content, I must rely on a frame that I don't like because that's the only way of doing it, what's the point on even trying it?
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19 minutes ago, SordidDreams said:
I mean, you can walk out the Fortuna gate, tranq three bunnies, and get like 2k standing in under a minute. If you're fishing for standing, you're doing it wrong.
With the new update you can buy dye from fortuna with standing?
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22 hours ago, (NSW)SauceloT said:
Also it seems there isn't a lot of information online about this bug, so Nintendo Switch Players, this is absolutely a bug or an exploit. Not sure if the guys i talk with in game chat saying its part of the game are just trying to justify using it, or really just dont realize it.
They are trying to justify it. The game is not intended to give you such a powerful set. It can oneshoot everything (everything meaning even the wolf). Nothing can be that powerful because it literally feels like cheating. Besides, on the other platforms it doesn't work like that.
Right now, the best course of action with players like that is leaving a message in chat with something like "I'm not playing with a mirage+simulor" and leaving the party. People must be aware that we don't want to play with them if they use it.
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4 minutes ago, Gawizard said:
Honestly that would be bad for several reasons. Im thinking that if i ever get tired of using a riven (i had a kronen riven) i can just sell it to someone who would like it for a fair price rather than have it take up inventory space or waste it. I do support an untradable riven state though but it would have to be implemented in another way
Now that you mention it, yes, it might not be the best idea. So then, what about making riven tradeable only for another riven? When trading unveiled rivens, you can only trade 1:1 for other rivens. That way, someone who unveils a riven for a weapon they don't like, can trade it for another riven (veiled or unveiled), but only one. By doing this you also make all the riven worth the same. And also make that you will only roll rivens that you like and are willing to use.
If, after you used a riven (and presumably rolled it), you want to sell it, you know you can either get an unrolled one, or a riven for something that you actually want to use. In the end, rivens are not really rare, I mean, all rifle riven have the same chance to become a rubico or a burston, so a riven for a rubico costs so much because, since it's a free market, someone decided that the first one would cost that much because people use that weapon. But its value is not other than a fake scenario created by certain individuals in which they make people believe that a given riven is unique when it's not.
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26 minutes ago, Zilchy said:
It doesn't block you in the slightest, I'll bet you're really concerned about getting amesha right? Or caustacyst? Or scimitar?
Of all the frames requiring nitain only 2 have no prime, 1 is Ivara, 1 is Wukong, you're being perdantic and you know it.
You are in the majority of players, neither am I. The majority player is a casual gamer who only plays a few hours a day if that. The system is better for them than hoping to be around for an alert but hey, screw them right? As long as you and your guildmate get what you want?
I mentioned sorties to point out that new players will do them despite having no business being there with bad gear. They will get potatoes, forma etc over time doing them and there's also gifts of the lotus every 2 weeks or so, which is still more often than we ever used to be able to get them. Be less idiotic and crack a few relics for forma bps and sell the prime parts you get to buy some nitain potatoes. Much quicker. If you and your buddy have so much free time you don't need nightwave or alerts for nitain, just do ghouls or lua sabotage for it instead, easy. What's that? You don't like effort? You want everything for free?
Lastly, heard of an echo chamber? You're seeing the complaints as the majority because most people (there are millions that play this game) are either silent or aren't bothered by it. Calling the loud mothed complainers the majority is laughable and short sighted.
I guess nobody else has been pedantic with their lessons about the nitains that we need and nobody asked 🙂 Yep, you are the kind of person with which I'm not going to lose my time. Next time, learn to be respectful with the others.
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9 hours ago, MJ12 said:
What is this "powercreep attitude" you keep waving around like a boogeyman?
So many times I've been reading in the forums that "the best CC is death". That is "powercreep attitude". The fact that right now, to do the latest content (read profit, fortuna, etc...). You just need the strongest hitting thing no matter what. No crowd control, no tactics, nothing. Just kill as fast as possible, which ends up in a lot of frames and abilities becoming completely useless.
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9 hours ago, Zilchy said:
That's a very silly argument here's why. First off this BS about nitain blocking progression.. excluding cosmetics do you know how many nitain you need for every item in the game? No? 129. If you throw out things like scimitar, amesha etc and several other weapons no new player is ever likely to build that number is about 80 and that's assuming they can even get some of the vaulted primes. Yeh real hard progression block....
Uhm... well, yes? It's progression block since with the alert system I could get that much nitain in 10 weeks and now I can't?
9 hours ago, Zilchy said:Also note if you need a particular frame that requires nitain, get the regular version, it will be just as effective without costing nitain.
Yeah, I'll get the regular version of Ivara instead of the prime version. OH WAIT!
9 hours ago, Zilchy said:Now then, your guy that's able to have the free time log on at any stage to get nitain alerts is a no lifer, he has rhe tike to grind it from other sources faster anyway. The average casual player who plays maybe a few hours a day is lucky if they get 1 a day, with nightwave it doesn't matter when they log on. Your average new player can also get potatoes and forma from leeching sorties like everybody seems to do, don't waste wolf credits on it. The only choice they now have to make is whether to buy stuff they need for progression or pretty cosmetics... oh the humanity of it.
Or he works at home in a job that allows him to do it? Like one of my guildmates. Or he's a student with a lot of free time? Like another of my guildmates. They both have lives, they just have enough free time for it.
If the casual player can't get more than 1 nitain a day, they won't even complete the whole nightwave either, and in the event they get all the wolf cred rewards, all they can do is choose where to spend those wcreds. Let's make it so he gets 70 nitains (your 1 nitain a day). That's 14 packs of nitain which cost 210 wcreds. He gets 90 remaining. Now choose: do you want vauban? Do you want a few auras? Do you want a potato? The "leeching to get potatoes and forma from the sortie" makes me laugh. Either you are one of those "blessed with the rng" or you know nothing about the drop rates. But in any case, the amount of rewards you get from the nightwave cred system is clearly inferior. And it's a fact proved with numbers, which you don't want to see. But that's a different problem; you like the system and, as many of the other apologists I've been reading lately, you only think that because it's good according to your standards and to your situation, is good for the rest. When the reality is that a lot of people dislikes the whole system.
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20 minutes ago, Zilchy said:
You're talking mostly about cosmetics, they don't help a new player's progression. With the exception of auras, the new system gives them more gear that actually helps with progression than what they could get before. Potatoes are still available through gifts of the lotus and invasions(and they were very rare alerts) and they have access to much more nitain than before.
I'm not talking mostly about cosmetics, I'm talking mostly about the other things. Weapons, auras, vauban and nitain mostly. In the timespan of a nightwave, with the old system, any player could get much more of any combination of those than with the nightwave even if we ignore completely cosmetics. We now get 6 formas (that, by the way, the game asks us to spend) a few slots (again, nothing against the tier rewards) and some other stuff.
And no, it's not true that they have more access to nitain than before. They have less access to it. If you remove the potatoes from the offerings of wcreds, you get 1 for all 30 ranks. I say remove because if you take one with wcreds, you'll have less wcreds to pay for nitain. So, in the event you decide to spend ALL your wcreds on nitain, you'll get 100 nitains for 10 weeks and nothing more, no weapons or potatoes, or vauban, nothing. A person that is looking for nitain actively, in 10 weeks of the old system could get potentially 280 nitains (4 a day * 70 days). Even in the event they couldn't get that much, even if they could only get 2 a day, that is 140 nitains! And still, they would be able to get vauban (or a piece of it), to get some weapons, to get some auras... On top of that, they'd also get the potato alerts (more than 4 in 10 weeks, for sure), some forma alerts every now and then...
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33 minutes ago, Zilchy said:
You are definitely new. You say forma is easy to get, agreed. However you can build one every 24 hours. To put this in perspective for you I have over 500 forma on my gear at current. Do you now think getting forma for free is a bad thing?
How is opening 3 caches in 3 missions pure luck? It takes 10 minutes to do at best, no luck involved.I'm ok with the tier rewards (mostly), however, I'm not ok with the distribution of creds and the price of the stuff itself. Except the potatoes and the wolf decoration, all the other stuff from the offerings could be earned by doing alerts. The problem is that, for a new player, the new system is worse on that regard than the alerts systems. I explain: a new player right now will get (assuming he gets only to lvl 30 and not beyond) 300 wolfcreds. With those wolf creds, the player must choose among a lot of stuff that cost way too much. To make the example clearer, let's take a player that could play 12 hours a day (not that IS playing them but that would have access to the game during 12 hours a day for all the days). With the old system, he'd get, in 10 weeks:
at least 140 nitain (70 days x 2 nitains a day, considering they don't get more)
All the cosmetic helms available during those 70 days (the helms will be repeated so even if you lose one, you'll probably get it later)
Probably the whole vauban frame (rng, I know, but still...)
Probably all the aura mods (or many of them at least)
Many of the weapons and their skins
Now, with the new system of offerings, he'd get:
100 Nitain (15 creds * 20 packs of 5)
or 8 helms
or 6 weapons
or 15 auras (are there that many?)
or 10 weapon skins
Last it's vauban that costs 75 creds total.
Obviously, the player could also get a combination of those reducing the amount of each he gets.
These things is all that a new player could get given that he arrives to rank 30 and doesn't go beyond. As you see, the amount of stuff someone would get from the alerts is way more. And you could say that they are giving us rewards on each tier that "pay" for the reduced loot we are getting here, however, many of us don't consider it good because although they are good (nobody is complaining about that), maybe people perceived that we were better with less "freebies" like those and more availability of the really necessary items as the nitain.
Nightwave + alerts removal feedback
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Let's hope we get that nerf in the next update (we won't get the last 24.7.1 but something around 24.6 iirc). It's good to know that, contrary to many people's beliefs, they are paying attention to this thread.