LightstealKnight
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55 minutes ago, Frivolimous said:
As far as i understand it, the roles in warframe are: damage dealer, defender, rescuer, trinity.
I wonder what frames fit the role of Trinity?
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3 minutes ago, felixsylvaris said:
No.
I think that current selection of starting frames is quite good. We have frame which is more on autoattack and more caster type. All of them are rather not complicated and have some survivalibility.
The good starting classes suggested by OP are: Excalibur, Mag, Volt.
The bad are:
- Ash - does not bring much different stuff than Volt. A bit fancy with jumping and smoke bomb.
- Ember - to fragile to be given to new players and avoid frustracion
- Saryn - combo frame
- Trinity - for startering nodes you can have 4 killers, no need to designed buffer
Frost or Rhino would be decent starting frames, not complicated, somehow tanky. But getting them is not that hard.
Just to be clear, every warframe is useful and can be a potential starting frame. This is not the point of the post. Warframes in general defy categorization into standard archetypal classes. Nobody knows what they are getting when starting Warframe. I chose the 5 frames because they are vastly separate rolls, they all synergize well together, and they are all closely related to the 5 archetypal classes that most people are used to in the gaming world.
Warrior, Assassin, Mage, Tank and Support are the meta-archetype of classes for most games today. And I chose the 5 frames that would best fit these rolls and that are otherwise easy to get on the starchart.
This just adds a layer of player intuition when starting the game, as most people already have a favored playing class and style.All warframes are good and useful and could potentially be a starter frame. If you disagree with this then you don't really know how to play that specific frame properly.
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2 minutes ago, EDYinnit said:
It's an often thankless job.. but some of us have to do it. Long-time MMORPG healer, MOBA Support and ex-Trinity main right here.
Hey, I've always appreciated and been thankful for players such as yourself. That is why I think Trinity deserves to be a starter frame.
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1 hour ago, tnccs215 said:
I still think Trinity should be kept out of the starters, at least until she gets reworked.
You would be surprised at how many people enjoy playing support type roles in games.
Not everyone wants to be a damage dealer and get the most kills. I understand that you don't enjoy this kind of play, but I've met people both in MOBAs and MMOs that enjoy the social aspects and healing and supporting their team. They get the most pleasure out of being wanted around and being depended upon.1 hour ago, tnccs215 said:But, honestly, I'm not very bothered.
I'm not bothered either, because I already have every frame in the game, I'm just trying to think of the new player experience.
12 minutes ago, tnccs215 said:I suppose you used a maxed narrow minded mod for link.
Link has a decent enough duration with continuity (which by the way is waay too rare a mod imo. I've only ever found 1 of them in my 3 years of play and in contrast I have 200+ serration mods).
I've made many posts in the past about this topic and recently I made this post that hasn't really gotten any traffic.
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41 minutes ago, Sunfaiz said:
Ash: Teleport leaves something to be desired
Teleport is a great assassination ability allowing you to get a free finisher, it is also great to get around and close the gap on enemies with guns.
44 minutes ago, Sunfaiz said:Frost: Requires a very Heavy amount of investment including mods.
Not true at all. An unmodded frost does perfectly fine on all of the starter missions and planets. He probably has one of the smoothest progressions out of all of the frames. He is one of the most demanded frames in team and void missions and is a great frame for anyone used to playing tank frames in mobas or mmos.
47 minutes ago, Sunfaiz said:I started the game as Loki master himself and he was BAD not in sense he wasn't useful just that he dull.
This is just a bad statement. Loki is one of the best frames in the game. All of his abilities scale into late game, his radial disarm is one of the best abilities in the game and he has the longest invisibility. Anyone that plays stealth characters in games would enjoy Loki, but I think that Ash is closer to home for most people that enjoy the Rogue playstyle.
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Generally those who pick support roles, are aware of the complexity and requirement for having a team.
Trinity is an excellent starter frame for people who are used to support roles.I also do not see this limiting warframes in the future, or forcing them into a category. This is simply bridging the gap for new players to come into the game. Not all warframes will fit into a role, but some of them do.
I understand that more choice = more overwhelming, but players are already overwhelmed when coming into a game and having to chose out of 20+ frames for their next slot.
Creating a sturdy baseline and perhaps letting them redo the starter mission if they are not happy with the frame they selected is a great way to introduce them to some of the core frames of the game.
Here is a great way to describe the frames so people can see the vast difference in the choice they have.
1. Excalibur - Well rounded, can close gaps and blind opponents.2. Ash - Features invisibility and assassination techniques
3. Ember - Harnesses the element of fire to attack multiple foes
4. Frost - Excels at defending static locations, and has decent crowd control abilities
5. Trinity - A team supporting frame that can restore energy and heal allies
Ember would be a bad addition to the 3 starter frames because 2 of those frames already fall into a magic-user type play style. It is already quite difficult for a new player to chose between Mag and Volt, and if you add Ember to the mix you are giving them a choice out of 3 similar style frames that do not have much of a synergy for a team of 4.
Even if we were going to stay with 3 starter frames, they should be the first 3 on this list rather than the 3 that we currently have. -
Most people that come to Warframe will be familiar with other systems. We have so many frames now, that I think it's time to revisit the starter frame selection.
The 5 major classes from other games:
Warrior
Rogue
Magic User
Support/Healer
Tank
There are obviously a lot of candidates for each of these classes but they should all be easy frames to get, and role centric so that each choice is more intuitive.
This way, players know what they are picking and know from past experiences what roles they enjoy most to play.Here are my suggestions:
Warrior: Excalibur (no brainer)
Rogue: Ash (or Loki because he is more iconic to the cutscenes)
Magic User: Ember (or Saryn or Mag because she is iconic)
Support/Healer: Trinity
Tank: Frost
Yes I am aware that Warframes were not designed to fall into a specific category, but new players are not aware of this and need a little bit more of an intuitive process while getting acclimated to the game.
Spoiler
This also fits well with the Warframe Schools with the exception for having no warrior school and two magic user schools.Warrior:
Rogue: Naramon
Magic User: Madurai / Zenurik
Support/Healer: Vazarin
Tank: Unairu
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Found someone that made something similar to what I was talking about but not quite:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/479dbl/release_void_companion_v11_final/ -
New players are lost, I've been saying this for 2 years now and finally people are starting to make a big deal about it.
TacticalPotato started delving into this issue recently, and now undercover Scott have brought attention to this issue.
I've been helping new players for the past 2 years and I have an idea for a system to add to their experience.
Basically you select a Blue Print in your foundry and a little UI on the side of your screen will appear showing you what components you are missing to craft that Blue Print.
And the UI will tell you the best way to get those components.
For example, if you need Neural Sensors and you don't have Jupiter unlocked yet, then the UI will tell you that your next goal is to unlock Jupiter.
This way you are not trying to teach them the entire crafting system and let them figure out how to get what they need, you are just trying to get them to focus on a single item.
Another example is if you select the Equinox BluePrint and you don't have an archwing yet. The UI should direct you through the archwing process first. -
My brother has a similar problem.
His Kubrow was forced into stasis (at 5% health) before he claimed the imprint.
Now he gets the unkown error as soon as he tries to claim the imprint.
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Yes it is just the story. I loved the gameplay from the very start and parkor 2.0 was something I ended up liking as well.
my hate purely stems from the new operator and their new lines.
I cannot stand them that much that I have quit the game because of them.
also no offence taken at all. I can tell you weren't trying to be mean at all.
Something the Stalker could have said ^^
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Ok just for future reference,
The Warframes are still considered Suits of Armor, they house the "power" of the Tenno.
And yes, most cryo-chambers house Tenno, you can use clipping to sneak a peak inside.
Even in the old Alad V cinematic, you see him cutting up Warframes and there is no blood or remorse for "killing" anything.
The Warframes are immune to the Infested Disease, which shows why Alad V tried to modify it to affect "robots"
And Warframes are immune to the mind-control of the Void's Neural Control Defense.
These are also not children, D.E. has just come out and made them over 1000 years old.
The Excal Codex is spot on. It Says: "We took the twisted few that had returned from that place. We built a frame around them, a conduit of their affliction. Gave them the weapons of the old ways. Gun and blade. A new warrior, a new code was born. These rejects, these Tenno, became our saviors. Warrior-Gods cast in steel and fury striking our enemies in a way they could never comprehend. Excalibur was the first."
"A conduit of their affliction"
Websters Dictionary for Conduit:
4: a means of transmitting or distributing <a conduit for illicit payments> <a conduit of information>Then there is what Ordis says: "Do not lift the veil, do not show the door, do not split the dream" -
It was hinted at and even back then, DE didn't know where to go with it due to conflicting lore between primes and other characters in the codex. We knew about the kids, but didn't know they would remain kids or if our Tenno were the same set of children. Add to it all the speculation people had and how long it took DE to just choose a route and this is what you get.
They decided to go this route knowing there would be folks who wouldn't like it. No matter what either sides of the debate say (Approval, Disproval, Apathetic) you will always have folks who either love the quests DE makes, hate them, or just don't care so long as they have stuff to do.
You are absolutely wrong. Steve and Scott had this vision since introducing the Codex. The most notable entries are Ember Prime, Excalibur, and Rhino Prime.
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How the F*** did you get 4k Cryotic on Pluto? Isn't that like level 160 enemies?
Not rly the point of the post, but...
Invisible Excal in Naramon is pretty strong.
We had a Banshe for CC, and a Full Power Str Nova.
We could have gone further but we wanted to cash out.
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"Do not lift the veil / do not show the door / do not split the dream ."
1.Do not lift the Void veil that hides The Moon .
2.Do not show the door to the heart of the Orbiter.
3.Do not wake up the Tenno from their dream.
1. The Veil is the base that hides the moon within the void.
2. The door is the pendula that takes the moon out of the void.
3. "Splitting the dream" is reminding the Tenno that they are "dreaming" and unaware that they are conscious on two fronts.
They forgot about their prime level of consciousness.
They woke up from the first time as Warframes, but did not realize they were still dreaming as Tenno.
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*Orbiter. The Liset is only the tiny starter-landingcraft you travel with
The liset is the top floor, look at the shape. The Orbiter is the bottom floor that attaches to the Liset.
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This belongs in the Warframe Section.
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3 frames that scale into late game.
1. Vauban
2. Nyx
3. Trinity
4. Loki (Radial Disarm is so useful)
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Lips on the floor that you can't get over when climbing a wall.
Use Zephyr and you'll notice them a lot more.
Need a parcour solution.
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This is the reaction of anyone who has been interested and following the lore for the last 2 years.
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Then don't take the skills that are not useful to you. It will keep your cooldowns lower.
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1. Try using a Galatine, War, or Scindo Prime
2. Focus on Low attackspeed / High Damage builds
Overkill for low level mobs, but useful for high level ones.
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Yes, Please D.E. waste valuable resources and manpower that could be used to make more content on more Noggle statues and Tenno weddings.
At least the Noggle statues get you paid...
The Tenno weddings will at best make you into a trashy romance novel.
Maybe if you buy enough Noggle gifts, another tenno will agree to marry you.
*Note: Sarcasm
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I'd add a suggestion for a more "fair" Focus points gain (it is really not fair as it is now, you need to use farming and exploit techniques to get something other than a ridiculous amount). They will add the affinity gain shared among squad members, so maybe it will fix the issue. It's better to wait and see about that.
Shared XP will help a lot, and Greater lenses are already worth it.
We should hold off on judging the point gain until this change is implemented.
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Just did a 4k cryotic mission on Pluto and only got 13k focus. Seems a bit low.
Starter Frame Update
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Posted · Edited by Enemy1
Loki worked perfect except for the fact that the new tutorial relies on you killing someone with your 1st ability. He was removed when the new tutorial was added (witch was a mistake in my opinion).
Trinity was not a starter frame, it was Loki Volt and Excalibur, then it became Mag Loki and Excalibur in U7, and now it's Mag Volt Excalibur since U14.