Gahrzerkire
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TL;DR, I skimmed part of it, was disappointed that you decided to use fully modded dps, which will change depending on builds. can you use unmodded builds please? Not only would that make it much easier to read, but I don't have to wonder what mods you're using. boltor prime does 550 dps, as long as you're comparing weapons that use the same kinds of mods, modded dps will not matter.
Boltor Prime = 550
Leviathan = 475
Braton Prime = 336
There you are. The reason I did modded DPS was because anyone can calculate base DPS (Damage x RoF) And in the case of the leviathan it is exactly 1 burst.
Personally I prefer to see the Modded DPs becuase in the end that is what matters especially with more damage direct weapons like the Boltor/Leviathan/Braton (Braton / Leviathan have status which make up for the gap in Damage).
i think the only problem with this is that DE most likely wont add dynamic/tactical/whatever-you-call-it reloads. i would love to be able to see that on some guns such as tetra and this where you have more than just one magazine, but i get the feeling it wont happen. other than that, it sounds like a very interesting weapon.
The thing is that the reload wont really be "dynamic" the code for it would be extremely straight foward. I.E. Do the reload animation over and over again with x speed modifier, for every completed reload add 5 rounds to the magazine. When magazine reaches 30 freeze repetitions. All you need to do is make it so that the player can interrupt the stream of reload animations at any time. Personally I dont see why they dont do this, its mabye a half hour to one hour of coding. (Not including the animation which is probubly more but becuase its a short animation it shouldnt be as long to animate for as the majority of weapon animations, also its relatively simple; warframe reaches back, slams object agaisnt the base of the magazine, rinse and repeat.)
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LOVE the "Tactical Reloading" bit! Fantastic thinking!
Hahaha Thank you :) I thought it would be an interesting mechanic, allowing for more versitle game play :)
This is a really neat idea. Both the mechanics and looks fit the grineer weapon style very well.
I like the reload mechanic and the crafting requirements. The gun seems pretty well balanced and I like the idea of explosive rounds (although a 5m radius sounds a little bit to much, maybe make it 1 or 2?).
Upvoted, great idea.
Thank you! ANd yes your right 5m is a bit much. I would say more like 3m would be reasonable. 1m is too short and 2m well also feels a bit too lackluster.
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LEVIATHAN
(Grineer Burst Fire Rifle)I highly suggest and beg you to read at least the gun and reload mechanics section (At the bottom) before judging what kind of a weapon this is, moreover do not judge its damage output based directly off the stats, it is deceiving. The Leviathan is EXTREMELY unique, and beastly in its own right. It successfully combines a burst fire rifle, a revolver while providing the advantages of a shotgun reload system.
Type: Burst Fire Rifle
(5 Rounds Per Trigger Pull)All Stats are listed beneath the G&R Mechanics Section.
The Leviathan’s Basics: (Not as informative or in-depth as the Gun & Reload Mechanics Section.)
The Leviathan is equipped with a fixed magazine toward the leading section of the barrel. This continuously feeds revolver like Cylinders containing 5 high caliber explosive rounds into the chamber. These Cylinders are then spun at a high velocity and all bullets within fired sequentially. Once all bullets have been fired the Cylinder is then ejected from the chamber of the leviathan and the next Cylinder is then fed from the magazine into the chamber.
I go more into depth about the special shotgun like reloading characteristics of the Leviathan in the Gun & Reload Mechanics section.
Sorry I did not draw the handle in this view. i tried like 30 times and just settled with leaving it out. As the results were more and more depressing.
I HIGHLY SUGGEST reading the Gun & Reload Mechanics Section Below BEFORE READING THE SECTION ON THE LEVIATHANS DPS. The Leviathan, due to its complex internal mechanics, is extremely versatile.
Burst Damage [DPS] Calculations and Comparison:
READ THIS IMPORTANT:
Fire-rate for this gun is very simple. Each Bullet during burst fire is fired with a 0.15 Second separation. Meaning, that, it takes 0.75 seconds for all shots in a single Cylinder be fired. There is then a 0.25 Cylinder Ejection and Reload period (“Cylinder Cycling”) as the Leviathan prepares for the next burst.(If interested in how fire-rate and reload mods affect the Leviathan, Please read the Gun & Reload Mechanics Section)
Therefore DPS is calculated based off of the raw damage produced in one burst.
The Leviathan’s Burst DPS: 21371
(Raw DPS) (All Calculations below after DPS v. DPS Comparison)(Build: Serration, Split Chamber, Heavy Caliber, 4x 90% Elemental Mods, 1x 120% Physical Mod)
BEFORE YOU FLIP OUT GOING “ITS OP” Burst DPS COMPARISON: (1 second of firing assumed)
Boltor Prime (26866.4[DPS]) > Leviathan (21371[DPS])
Braton Prime (15373[DPS]) < Leviathan (21371[DPS])
DPS Conclusion:
What we can see here is that the Leviathan in terms of Burst DPS Hits the Sweet Spot between the Boltor Prime and the Braton Prime, Essentially Balancing the two in terms of Hard Hitting, Status and Rate of fire.
The reason I didn’t compare this to the Tiberon, Burston Prime, and Hind is because currently all their mechanics are moderately broken. Primarily, the Hinds’. Moreover I can’t seem to find any reliable source to get the RoF for Trigger Pulls v. Bursts / Cool down between bursts. However I can say with quite a bit of surety (I have a 5 forma Tiberon, and Burston.) That the Tiberon performs similarly to the Boltor and Burston the Braton in terms of DPS. (Unless you count Burston Syndicate which because of Enemy density + Radial Gas Procs can compete with the Boltor Prime in theory.)Leviathan Calculations:
CALCULATIONS ON DPS, TREAT DAMAGE NUMBERS ON A BURST BASIS; CALCULATING TOTAL DAMAGE FOR ALL 5 BULLETS.
Calculate Added Damage From Serration, Heavy Caliber, and Split Chamber: (Assumes that those are all at max rank.)
[Damage For One Trigger Pull / One Second Of Firing.]
(2 is Split Chamber, 3.3 is the Additive multiplier of Serration and Heavy Caliber.)
2 * (475 + (475 * 3.30)) = 4085 [DPS]Calculate Added Damage From 4 90% Elemental Mods: (Though everyone would use the 60 – 60 because of the 20% status chance.)
(4 elemental mods all adding 90% [.9] of the total damage per burst)
4085 + (4*(4085*.9)) = 18791[DPS]Calculate Damage w/ Elemental Mods & 120% Impact Boost: (Which will be released and its either put that on or screw up DPS calculations by adding Anemic Agility which makes the math frustrating)
(Impact is . 526315789 of total damage, so multiply current DPS[Damage Per Burst /Trigger Pull] By .526315789 then 120% [1.2] and add too current running total for DPS)
18791 + ((.526315789)*( 4085)*(1.2)) = ~21371[DPS] [21370.999997678]Boltor Prime Calculations: (Identical Build)
The Boltor Prime when modded Identically (Puncture 120% instead of Impact) is rated at: 26866.4[DPS]
(10 is the fire-rate, 2 is Split Chamber, 3.3 is the Additive multiplier of Serration and Heavy Caliber.)
10 * (2 * (55 + (55 * 3.30))) = 4730 [DPS](4730 DPS for 1 second of firing, adds the 4 90% Elemental Mods.)
4730 + (4*(4730*.9)) = 21758[DPS](Adds the 120% [1.2] bonus to puncture which only affects 90% [.9] of the Boltors damage.)
21758 + ((.9)*(4730)*(1.2)) = ~26866.4[DPS] (26866.4)Braton Prime Calculations: (Identical Build)
The Braton Prime when modded Identically (Slash 120% instead of Impact) is rated at:
(10 is the fire-rate, 2 is Split Chamber, 3.3 is the Additive multiplier of Serration and Heavy Caliber.)
9.6 * (2 * (35 + (35 * 3.30))) = 2889.6 [DPS](2889.6 DPS for 1 second of firing, adds the 4 90% Elemental Mods.)
2889.6 + (4*(2889.6 *.9)) = 13292.16[DPS](Adds the 120% [1.2] bonus to slash which only affects 90% [.6] of the Braton’s damage.)
13292.16 + ((.6)*( 2889.6)*(1.2)) = ~15373[DPS] (15372.672)Leviathan Sustained Damage:
SUSTAINED DAMAGE PER SECOND CALCULATIONS (I don’t want to run the Boltor’s/Braton’s Numbers again Forgive me XD go to WF Builder though I don’t know how he calculates his sustain DPS)
READ THIS IMPORTANT:
I calculate sustained damage in TWO segments Damage Output over 10 SECONDS and damage Output over 1 MINUTE or 60 SECONDS. I calculate this using the Leviathans fire-rate and reload speed. For the Leviathan you will see two numbers for each damage output time, one using Tactical Reloading and another using Basic Reloading.TO FULLY UNDERSTAND HOW TACTICAL RELOADING APPLIES TO THE LEVIATHAN READ THE GUN & RELOADING MECHANICS SECTION BELOW.
Basic Reloading (After Magazine Is Empty):
Time to fire 1 burst including Automated Cylinder Reload = 1.0 Seconds (With above Build).
Clip size = 6 bursts (30 Rounds, 6 Cylinders/Bursts)
Reload Time for 6 Cylinders = 3.5.
Total Time = 9.5 Seconds from firing to be ready to fire again.
(Every 9.5 Seconds the Leviathan releases 128226 points of damage. Calculations below.)10 Second Sustained DPS = ~141,048 Points of damage over 10 seconds.
60 Second Sustained DPS = 833,469 Points of damage over 60 seconds.
Calculations:
10 Second:
Every trigger pull results in 5 rounds being fired over a period of 1 second. Each set of five rounds deals 21371 damage points. The Magazine Contains 6 Sets of 5 Rounds. Meaning can shoot the leviathan for 6 seconds before being forced to reload. The full reload takes 3.5 seconds.21371 * 6 = 128226 (We are now six seconds in, 3.5 seconds pass reloading, we get one more trigger pull.)
The Burst rate of the Leviathan is .15 seconds between rounds. With a .25 break to auto Cylinder eject afterward between trigger pulls.
I.E. we can fire 3 more rounds in that .5 of a second.
128226 + ((21371 / 5) * 3) = 141048.6 Damage points over 10 seconds.Tactical Reloading (Reload 1 Cylinder After Every Shot):
Time to fire 1 burst including Automated Cylinder Reload = 1.0 Seconds (With Above Build).
Time to Reload One Cylinder = 7/12ths of a Second (3.5 / 6)
Total Time = 1.5833 Seconds from firing to be ready to fire again.10 Second Sustained DPS: ~134975 Points of damage over 10 seconds.
60 Second Sustained DPS: ~809847 Points of damage over 60 seconds.
Calculations:
10 Seconds / 1.5833 = 6.3157894736842105263157894736842 * 21371 = ~134975
(134974.73684210526315789473684211)60 Seconds / 1.5833 = 37.894736842105263157894736842105 * 21371 = ~134975
(809848.42105263157894736842105263)GUN & RELOAD MECHANICS
Reload Mechanics:
The Leviathan toward the front of the Barrel has a Fixed Magazine (FM); meaning it cannot be taken off and is permanently affixed to the body of the rifle.
The FM can hold up to 6, of what are similar to the Cylinders on a revolver. A single Cylinder on the Leviathan holds 5 high caliber explosive rounds in a circular formation along the perimeter. When firing a burst the Cylinder revolves at a high rate, allowing each round to be fired within 0.75 seconds (6.667 RoF). “Cylinder Cycling”; starts once all rounds are fired, the now spent cylinder is ejected via a port on the right side of the Leviathan, and the next Cylinder is pushed up the Magazine and into the Chamber. “Cylinder Cycling” takes all of .25 seconds, this means that the Leviathan can pump out 1 burst per second, or approximately 5 rounds per second.
(“Cylinder Cycling” is a process that occurs within the Leviathan and is not manually done.)The Leviathan is reloaded using the Cylinders, which gives the option of Tactical Reloading. To perform a basic reload the Tenno operating it must push a loaded cylinder into the fixed magazine. You must push in each individual cylinder when fully filling the magazine. If all cylinders in the rifle have been spent then it takes approximately 3.5 seconds to completely reload your rifle.
However, Tactically Reloading the Leviathan does not require you to wait the full duration. By waiting 7/12ths (.5833) of a second you can reload one cylinder and fire a single 5 round burst before needing to repeat that process; as you have expended the one cylinder you loaded. This can be done until you burn through your ammo, or decided to partially or fully reload the Leviathan. On top of this you can interrupt your reload half way through giving you 3 Cylinders to fire, two thirds giving you 4, so on and so forth. What this also means is that if you only expend 4/6 cylinders it takes ~1.16 seconds to reload your weapon as you only need to push in 2 cylinders. (7/12 * 2 = 14/12 (1 & 2/12th’s of a second).
Tactical Reloading can be initiated during Cylinder Cycling unlike Firing. Meaning you can overlap your Tactical Reload Time with your Burst Duration’s, allowing advanced Tactical Reloading synthetically increasing the Tactical Sustained Damage. (Tactical Reloading Calculations above were not calculated with such an overlap as is Advanced Tactical Reloading never started at the same time as Cylinder Cycling.)
Burst Duration = Time to fire bullets + Cylinder Cycling.Firing Mechanics & Mods:
As you should know this is a burst fire rifle. Each burst empties the 5 shots contained in one cylinder. There are 6 cylinders in a fixed magazine, and between each burst a .25 second delay of “Cylinder Cycling” to prepare for the next burst. The gun can be reloaded at any time, and the reload time scales with the equation: Maximum Reload Time = Number Bursts * 7/12ths. While the Tactical Reload holds steady at 7/12ths of a second.
Reload Speed Mods: Along with the reload time, affect the Cylinder Cycling Speed. Meaning, that the Leviathans fire rate can be synthetically increased by reducing the time it takes for it to Cycle in a Cylinder.
Fire Rate Mods: Increase the number of bullets fired per second. The base RoF is ~6.667 (a 0.15 delay between shots, Burst Duration of: .75 Seconds).
(Burst Duration: The Amount of time it takes to fire all 5 shots (I.E. Time to fire one shot * 5). Does not including the .25 Cylinder Cycling times which are affected by reload mods.)With Vile Acceleration:
( (1/.15) + ((1/.15) * .9)) = 12.667
1 / 12.667 = ~0.8 (0.07894736842105263157894736842105)
Shortens Burst Duration to: ~0.38 (0.08 Per Shot)Speed Trigger:
( (1/.15) + ((1/.15) * .6)) = 10.667
1 / 10.667 = ~0.9 (0.09375)
Shortens Burst Duration to: ~0.46875 (0.09 Per Shot)Projectile Mechanics:
The Leviathan fires High Caliber Explosive rounds that deal 25 Blast damage on initial impact (First Object hit) with a small 3m radius. All subsequent hits from Punch Through do not apply the weapons blast damage. If the Leviathan is modded for Blast damage the reduction of damage is only taken from the Base 25 Blast Damage, however on the initial hit the radial damage is the sum of all the modded Blast Damage.
Firestorm applicable? Yes. But its only 3m.
Hitscan? Yes.
Firing Sounds & FX
Visual FX:
For each projectile fired the leviathan along the muzzle will flash with ignited gasses exiting the barrel and chamber. Every shot will Result in it pumping back lightly into is Pneumatic Suspension. And during Cylinder Cycling we will be able to see cylinders moving up the Fixed Magazine.
Sound FX:
Gunshots:
This gun will sound like the Dakka Dakka that we all dream of and love. Given how high caliber its rounds are it will sound like a .50 cal on steroids with seriously unneeded compensation issues. It will sound like god himself gave mankind the perfect Dakka Dakka. It will be glorious. Each bullet fired will result in a rounded thick balanced bass filled glorious reverberating blast that will please your ears to heaven and back. And that’s just the sound it makes when it fires.
Cylinder Cycling:
The Cylinder once spent is ejected and it makes a softer but heavy bass Ka-chunk that results’ in the spent cylinder being ejected from the right side of the Leviathan. (Ideally the cylinder also makes a nice sound when it bounces on the ground but that’s wishing to much.) After ejection the next cylinder will slide in with a nice solid chiik-chiik sound similar to the bolt on a bolt action sniper rifle being slammed forward and back by a sniper in the heat of battle.
Reloading:
Will sound as satisfying as hell. Each cylinder being rammed into the fixed magazine will make a solid louder deeper and slightly more mechanical reload noise similar to the reloading of a shotgun in halo. One burst cylinder at a time.
Base Statistics:
Mastery Level: 9
Weapon Slot: Primary
Weapon Type: Heavy Machine Gun (Uses Rifle Mods)
Trigger Type: 5 Round Burst FireProjectile Speed: Hitscan
Noise Level: 65.0m
Fire Rate (RoF): ~6.667
Accuracy: 28.6 (Prior to update was 60)
Recoil: None (or Equal to the Burston. Due to Pneumatic Recoil Absorption)Magazine Size: 30 Rounds (6 Cylinders I.E 6 Bursts)
Max Ammo: 330
Reload Time: 3.5 Seconds ( Adaptive depending on how many Cylinders need to be reloaded.)
Tactical Reload Time: 0.5833 (Per Cylinder Reloaded)Total Damage: 95 (Per Round)
Physical Damage: 65
Puncture: 15
Impact: 50
Elemental Damage: 30 Blast (Applied Within 5m Radius of Initial Hit)Crit. Chance: 2.5%
Crit. Multiplier: 1.5x
Status Chance: 20%
Polarities: --- , VCrafting Requirements and Blueprint Acquisition:
Blueprint Drop: Extremely rare drop from a manic. (2% drop chance) OR Grineer Research Lab.
Manufacturing Requirements: Hind, 1,500 Rubedo, 1 Neural Sensor, 1 Forma, 2 Detonite Injectors, 250 credits.
Total Cost:
Total Manufacturing Cost: 2,700 Rubedo, 500 plastids, 2000 Salvage, 7 Neurodes, 2 Neural Sensor, 1 Orokin Cell, 1 Morphics, 2 Control Modules, 20 Detonite Ampules, 160,250 credits.
Platinum Cost: 275P
EDIT #1:Lowered accuracy from 60 to 28.6.
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So the forums have an upvote button, but sometimes something is just funny. Can we get a like button?
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So... Is your problem a lack of High-End Viable Burst Trigger weapons?
If so, then I agree, this is a lack of variety in High-End weapons, but that also has to do with the style of gameplay Warframe is slanted to favor, a more assault type of game play.
I have a solution to this problem. Almost done design it. Its glorious. Its beautiful. If you like Burst Fire you shall rejoice. Hell if you like good mechanics and balanced strength... then yeah. But yes. Tomorrow you shall see the glory.
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DE:
The Tenno have been asking about numerous weapons and when they will be fixed. For the most part the modifications required to fix them are ssimple. But they arent being fixed.
Hind.
Bo Prime in PvP.
*Numerous others
Also the stalker remains a whimp. I can kick his face in with an unranked frame and an Mk1 braton, when his is rank 35 that shouldnt happen. I should have to work for my kills. -
The rockets and the tracking is balanced. The explosions need to be balanced. And they need a sound effect.
They could benefit from a 100m max range. That way you have a higher chance of avoiding them.
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Making you invisible while doing it is a good idea. or better yet make it so when it's equipped harder ciphers come up less frequently. Heck. Intruder as a Aura could be a possibility.
Now that you mention it it only makes sense to have intruder be an aura. But if the invis is a thing then it has to only apply to the person who is doing the hack.
The primary and secondary physical damage mods are way too weak to use in any situation. A thing I like about modding melee weapons is deciding when to use the 90% physical mods over the 60% event mods. For the guns though, it's event physical damage mods or nothing.
Clarify?
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Yesh not only that but we are going to be getting a trading house/ Grand Exchange of sorts for all trading. Which will not only streamline the process of trading a ton, but make it so we dont have to bother with spamming forums. So basically. Yes. and yes, and even more yes.
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I think other then those to mods , the majority of mods are already pretty balanced and have their uses. However i believe that Intruder is just useless. No idea why anyone would put that on a warframe. But that cant be changed to make it better. UNLESS it made you invisible when hacking. That would be nice. As it would stop you from taking damage. I.E Intruder makes you invisible for X percentage of your hacking time, and if you finish hacking before the time runs out then you get to be invisible for the remainder.
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They should increase the invulnerability provided slighty, and then give her cast travel time. Similar to oberons regen. So unless your close you got to wait for your health to come to you.
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With The release of augment mods, lots of people have been wanting more slots or specific slots for augment mods.
Maybe we should get the 10 slot layout back, so players who want more slots for their augment mods can have more slots. And players who want more complex builds can rejoice.
Powercreep is the issue here. If you were asking for 1 augment slot that was limited to only containing augments i would say, yeah sure, but an extra 2 slots is way more then we need. We need 1 augment slot. And if we want to put on two then thats a sacrifice that the player will be willing to make. I have a frost that i run no health on and no sheilds on becuase i slot in two augment mods and i sluaghter in TIV with no problem. I dont understand why you cant just run nova with no health or sheilds. afterall thats what i have done and it works fine. I rarely put on health and sheild mods becuase augments are worth the sacrifice and so is the power utility. Besides at high levels we dont need the health they 1-4 shot anyways XD
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i can't take that video seriously because it didn't acknowledge that Hind has Bursts of 5 rather than the standard 3 (and also didn't mention that Sybaris is 2) - and because used Gas against Infested.
I agree with everything you said up until this edit XD, yeah sure this guys info isnt the best but if you watch him fight the corpus in the beginning he is killing lvl 20's with 1 to two bullets. I find that to be "decent" not amazing. but pretty good. potentially something that with the right build you could take up to T3.
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Its actually not as bad as you think. The hind is a pretty decent weapon and i have been considering getting one for quite some time. Here check out this video:
Its pretty solid for a rifle. And if your tired of running around with a soma and boltor prime all day er'e day its a nice break. -
Well yeah it needs a fire-rate buff and the fire-rate should be affected by mods.
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Most of these are already being done.
Excal is getting skills reworked
PVP is being built up and expanded on.
Sharkwing
Tyl Regor is being reworked (then kyla De Thaym)
- they are always working on balancing
Sentients are coming, that is lore.
The problem is the sentients are new enemies, excal is getting completely new abilities, sharkwing is being developed, tyl regor is being reworked, all at the same time. It seems like it all isnt getting enough attention, when it all merits alot of different kinds of attention but in the end... ALOT of attention and alot more then each individual thing gets. Which leads to lower quality output.
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The problem is "it's a playstyle" is used as a defense even when people are attacking the game and not the player.
Usually its extremely obvious.
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pvp stat of the player should be private, closed information.
The only reason i do PvP other then fun is because of the public KD ratio. I am proud of my conclave abilities and don't want it all to be hearsay. Its nice to know the abilities of your opponents.
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As the year of quality drones on I would like to emphasize the importance that DE not get overextended with its work.
Try to focus on one thing at a time without adding any major additions to the game. We need this to be the year of quality lets look at each individual section of warframe and clean it up before adding more. (I know it delays focus but we need this)
Fix the Kubrows
Fix PvPFix Archwing
Fix Boss Fights
Fix Weapon Balance / Mr. Lock.
Fix Armor Scaling
Revamp/Fix Warframes and Abilities
Fix/Add to Lore.
If this year is going to end in a state that we can look back on happily, we are going to have to let DE focus on what they have without begging for more. They should clean the current system and embellish it to its prime state before adding anything else that is major.
Something similar to this was stated before the year began and i think it was forgotten.
[New Weapon] The Leviathan -- The Beast In Burst
in Fan Concepts
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The idea is its a new burst fire weapon that can utilize pretty much all available mods. Did you read how mods affected the weapon at all?
Moreover yes it has rounds that explode on impact with a valid target, and no they dont turn into proximity mines cuase that makes little to no sense at all. How would a Hitscan Bullet turn into a proximity mine? Why would you want a spool mechanic? That essentially nerfs the firerate of the burst. The idea is that it almost instantly fires all of the rounds in one cylinder. Your comment makes little to no sense to me.
And we have plenty of weapons already that do the exact things you listed which means we don't need more. We don't however have a burst fire rifle that scales to the endgame nicely, we dont have a burst fire weapon that's DPS is easily calculated. And we don't have a weapon that has a dynamic reload solely dependent on how much of your ammo you have shot, and rewards players who use less ammunition with a faster reload time.
Thanks man! :) I was thinking about having it take shotgun ammo but... then they might give it fall off. And its a burst fire rifle XD But other then that regardless thank you!