DeMonkey Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Loza03 said: But it does involve seeing the worst aspects of things. A single instance of it doesn't make you a pessimist. Realists will see the worst aspects of things, as will optimists at times (much less likely to worry about it ofc, but they can see it). True pessimism is when you struggle to see the good in things, where you expect everything you to do to fail and you question why you should even bother. It's used not just to mean "expecting the words", but synonymously with "defeatism" and "negativity". It's possible to have a pessimistic point of view on a particular thing, like the example you provided above, and yes, that's fine. But actual pessimism, as a state of mind, is not. That's what I was referring to in my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(NSW)jja209 Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 Well I don’t agree with nihilism anymore.Is their away to take this post down or is it better to leave it for future discussions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeMonkey Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 minute ago, (NSW)jja209 said: Well I don’t agree with nihilism anymore.Is their away to take this post down or is it better to leave it for future discussions? Some people appear to have enjoyed reading through the thread, and if what's been posted here can be of any help to anyone else then I'd say it's worth leaving up. It's your thread though, if you wish to have it removed then report the initial post and ask a moderator to take it down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(NSW)jja209 Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, DeMonkey said: Some people appear to have enjoyed reading through the thread, and if what's been posted here can be of any help to anyone else then I'd say it's worth leaving up. It's your thread though, if you wish to have it removed then report the initial post and ask a moderator to take it down. That’s a fair point I’ll just leave it then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rune_me Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 I like pessimists. Think of all the great works of art and culture they have given us. No one ever wrote a great book about how amazing the world is and how content they were with their lives, is all I'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvid Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 20 minutes ago, rune_me said: I like pessimists. Think of all the great works of art and culture they have given us. No one ever wrote a great book about how amazing the world is and how content they were with their lives, is all I'm saying. I don't follow. Since when did incorporating conflict or struggle into a work imply pessimism on the part of the author? My outlook is as positive as they come, yet I understand that meaningful conflict is crucial to drama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rune_me Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Corvid said: I don't follow. Since when did incorporating conflict or struggle into a work imply pessimism on the part of the author? My outlook is as positive as they come, yet I understand that meaningful conflict is crucial to drama. Let's be honest, most great writers were/are miserable people. It's not about conflict, it's about being a bit angry at the world and the way things are. J. D. Sallinger, Hemmingway, Pynchon, Joseph Heller, etc. These aren't exactly a happy bunch of people. There's a bleakness in a lot of great literature, and rarely a happy ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvid Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, rune_me said: Let's be honest, most great writers were/are miserable people. It's not about conflict, it's about being a bit angry at the world and the way things are. J. D. Sallinger, Hemmingway, Pynchon, Joseph Heller, etc. These aren't exactly a happy bunch of people. There's a bleakness in a lot of great literature, and rarely a happy ending. And countless greats who weren't so dour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TARINunit9 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 On 2019-02-08 at 11:56 PM, (NSW)jja209 said: The world an the existence that you are living in is meaningless and pointless.Debate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(NSW)jja209 Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 Just now, TARINunit9 said: Really?! Lol you have a picture of a political comedy guy on a philosophy debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TARINunit9 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Just now, (NSW)jja209 said: Really?! Lol you have a picture of a political comedy guy on a philosophy debate. I call 'em as I see 'em, and you sound like that guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(NSW)jja209 Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 Just now, TARINunit9 said: I call 'em as I see 'em, and you sound like that guy I have no clue on what you are trying to say their. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(NSW)jja209 Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 minute ago, (NSW)jja209 said: I have no clue on what you are trying to say their. Oh wait I get it now sorry about that?I get the reference now. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TARINunit9 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, (NSW)jja209 said: Oh wait I get it now sorry about that?I get the reference now. Lol Yeah, try not to misuse the word "objective" so much in future. Or if you do, get some self-awareness about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rune_me Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 31 minutes ago, Corvid said: I don't follow. Since when did incorporating conflict or struggle into a work imply pessimism on the part of the author? My outlook is as positive as they come, yet I understand that meaningful conflict is crucial to drama. I honestly can't off the top of my head think of a good book that has something optimistic to say about the world we live in (not saying they don't exist, just that I can't recall them right at this moment). Even a genuinely funny book like The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is enormously pessimistic. But like most British, Douglas Adams just always saw the humor in pessimism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TARINunit9 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 8 hours ago, rune_me said: I honestly can't off the top of my head think of a good book that has something optimistic to say about the world we live in (not saying they don't exist, just that I can't recall them right at this moment). Even a genuinely funny book like The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is enormously pessimistic. But like most British, Douglas Adams just always saw the humor in pessimism. Lord of the Rings. It's about a war so it's not all sunshine and roses, but it's ultimately optimistic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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