REXAMORA Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 best overall or best dps ,thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphex Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 (edited) I'd say a tie. Now if you will excuse me Ill get ready for the flame war. Edit: This is to help you figure out what you think IN YOUR OWN OPINION has better dps for what ever your doing ect ect Synapse Good things! 1. Highest base critical chance of all weapons. 2. instantly reaches its maxed range 3. A high 100 magazine clip 4. A high base damage. 5. Fast reload time 6. Can do red crits when used in conjunction with Volt's shield skill Compared to flux! 1. Less base damage then flux 2. Damage is affected by armor (I think!) 3. No stun! 4. Does not do 3x damage to infested! (No serrated blade) Flux Rifle Good things! 1. Attacks are not affected by armor. 2. Deal triple damage to light infested. 3. High base damage. 4. Large 100 magazine clip 5. Base stagger chance 100% 6. High critical damage Compared to Synapse! 1. Less crit chance! 2. Fast reload time more DPS! 3. If you have Volt you will do major red crit damage! 4. Range! Edited September 30, 2013 by alphex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REXAMORA Posted September 30, 2013 Author Share Posted September 30, 2013 THIS INCLUDE BEST DPS WITH SYNAPSE CRIT,LOOL,THANKS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulzscha Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Moved to the proper section. Also, I'll just leave these here: https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/110585-synapse-lol/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/112011-i-give-up-some-does-more-ap-dps-than-even-flux/ "Once fully modded, the Synapse gets the highest DPS of any weapon in the game, both in terms of burst and sustained. As such, Synapse > Soma > Flux" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienTetris Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Agree with whoever is saying those ^^ However, Synapse is a corpus based weapon. Flux loves everyone c: Infested even more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MECT_HET Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Synapse outclassed flux rifle. Sad but true. And even more outclassed during using Volt's shield. So for now, if I want to kill someone really fast, I'd take Synapse. Whatever level/armor he will have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REXAMORA Posted September 30, 2013 Author Share Posted September 30, 2013 BEST DPS CRIT INCLUDED ,THANKS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulzscha Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 You already made a thread about this earlier - duplicate topics merged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticVice777 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Moved to the proper section. Also, I'll just leave these here: https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/110585-synapse-lol/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/112011-i-give-up-some-does-more-ap-dps-than-even-flux/ "Once fully modded, the Synapse gets the highest DPS of any weapon in the game, both in terms of burst and sustained. As such, Synapse > Soma > Flux" Does that include the AP factor as well? I was somewhat confused over the tables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabiitox Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 yo elijo la flux :D una pregunta sobre el juego que no vi ningun foro alguien sabe solucionar nat estrict? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darzk Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 I dunno, Flux with just crit mods is 345 dps Synapse with just crit mods is 700 dps Piercing Hit is only 60% So Flux is 345+207 = 552 armor ignoring dps and Synapse is 420 armor ignoring dps I would argue at highest levels the Flux is still best for Grineer / Ancient Headshots In comparison, Soma is ~1433 base dps, so ~860 armor ignoring DPS (with shred factored in btw) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticVice777 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 I dunno, Flux with just crit mods is 345 dps Synapse with just crit mods is 700 dps Piercing Hit is only 60% So Flux is 345+207 = 552 armor ignoring dps and Synapse is 420 armor ignoring dps I would argue at highest levels the Flux is still best for Grineer / Ancient Headshots In comparison, Soma is ~1433 base dps, so ~860 armor ignoring DPS (with shred factored in btw) That makes me even more unhappy to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyKnight Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 (edited) I would argue at highest levels the Flux is still best for Grineer / Ancient Headshots Flux can not beat synapse on grineer that have a weakness to AP damage. https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/112011-i-give-up-some-does-more-ap-dps-than-even-flux/ Patzer's chart https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlWVt6vp3-YWdHZJRTBvRTBrNGNrb3dNbEZsc0tZVHc#gid=3 Volt_Cruelerz's chart Patzer's charts show this clearly, Volt's charts as well: synapse will always be able to out damage flux on something with a 1.5x modifier to AP damage. Synapse can get 2-2.2k dps in ap damage, flux can only get 780-792dps. Even adding flux's base damage to it's ap damage it can not match the synapse on grineer because of their weakness. A flux rifle could NEVER beat a synapse if the knee of an ancient was targeted by the synapse even if the Flux targeted the head. Targeting the head flux should win, but it is not that hard to hit an ancient knee with the laser pointer synapse. Edited September 30, 2013 by LazyKnight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darzk Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 (edited) Patzer's uses 125% base crit chance and incorrectly calculates dps, as well as base dps values all over the place (1007 for flux, 50.3 for soma, what?) Volt_Cruelerz's chart doesnt show the calculations used to come to those conclusions. From his raw data sheets; Flux: ~795 AP DPS (1192 after modifier), ~1325 Serrated Blade damage Synapse: ~1736.8 AP DPS (2605 after modifier) (value adjusted for again incorrect crit calc) Seems fairly equal to me, although I'd agree the Synapse would be slightly better due to taking down shields faster and instantaneous reach time. Edit: Synapse reloads 25% faster than Flux. Edited September 30, 2013 by Darzk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyKnight Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 (edited) Patzer's uses 125% base crit chance and incorrectly calculates dps, as well as base dps values all over the place (1007 for flux, 50.3 for soma, what?) Volt_Cruelerz's chart doesnt show the calculations used to come to those conclusions. From his raw data sheets; Patzer, Volt_Cruelerz, and Gottfaust all use the same method. Read their post about it in these topic: https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/112011-i-give-up-some-does-more-ap-dps-than-even-flux/page-7 https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/110585-synapse-lol/page-4 Some weapons scale significantly better with mods than others. "Perfect" Flux Build Cryo Rounds Hellfire Piercing Hit Serration Shred Split Chamber Stormbringer Wildfire DPS5535.879 Details Name :: Flux Magazine Size :: 120 Total Ammo :: 660 Crit Chance :: 5% Crit Damage Multiplier :: 200% Fire Rate :: 13 rounds per second Reload Time :: 2 seconds Damage :: 493.43 Damage Shields :: 584.06 Damage Corpus :: 584.06 Damage Grineer :: 493.43 Damage Infested :: 644.48 Crit Damage :: 986.86 Crit Damage to Shields :: 1168.12 Crit Damage to Corpus :: 1168.12 Crit Damage to Grineer :: 986.86 Crit Damage to Infested :: 1288.96 Average Damage :: 518.102 Average Damage to Shields :: 613.263 Average Damage to Corpus :: 613.263 Average Damage to Grineer :: 518.102 Average Damage to Infested :: 676.704 Damage per Mag :: 62172.18 Damage per Mag to Shields :: 73591.56 Damage per Mag to Corpus :: 73591.56 Damage per Mag to Grineer :: 62172.18 Damage per Mag to Infested :: 81204.48 DPS :: 5535.879 DPS to Shields :: 6552.673 DPS to Corpus :: 6552.673 DPS to Grineer :: 5535.879 DPS to Infested :: 7230.536 Burst DPS :: 6735.32 Burst DPS to Shields :: 7972.419 Burst DPS to Corpus :: 7972.419 Burst DPS to Grineer :: 6735.32 Burst DPS to Infested :: 8797.152 "Perfect" Synapse Build Cryo Rounds Hammer Shot Hellfire Piercing Hit Point Strike Serration Split Chamber Vital Sense DPS12560.136 Details Name :: Synapse Magazine Size :: 100 Total Ammo :: 640 Crit Chance :: 125% Crit Damage Multiplier :: 560% Fire Rate :: 10 rounds per second Reload Time :: 1.5 seconds Damage :: 213.987 Damage Shields :: 270.631 Damage Corpus :: 427.975 Damage Grineer :: 213.987 Damage Infested :: 270.631 Crit Damage :: 1198.33 Crit Damage to Shields :: 1515.535 Crit Damage to Corpus :: 2396.66 Crit Damage to Grineer :: 1198.33 Crit Damage to Infested :: 1515.535 Average Damage :: 1444.416 Average Damage to Shields :: 1826.761 Average Damage to Corpus :: 2888.831 Average Damage to Grineer :: 1444.416 Average Damage to Infested :: 1826.761 Damage per Mag :: 144441.562 Damage per Mag to Shields :: 182676.094 Damage per Mag to Corpus :: 288883.125 Damage per Mag to Grineer :: 144441.562 Damage per Mag to Infested :: 182676.094 DPS :: 12560.136 DPS to Shields :: 15884.878 DPS to Corpus :: 25120.272 DPS to Grineer :: 12560.136 DPS to Infested :: 15884.878 Burst DPS :: 14444.156 Burst DPS to Shields :: 18267.609 Burst DPS to Corpus :: 28888.312 Burst DPS to Grineer :: 14444.156 Burst DPS to Infested :: 18267.609 Now some interesting facts: The Synapse can "red crit" with a maxed Point Strike. The number simply doesn't show as red. Test it yourself: go fight an infested ancient with just Point Strike equipped and shoot at his lower torso from behind so as to avoid head shots. You'll see a whole bunch of 3s and 4s with some odd 30s and 40s mixed in. Those are the 25% "red crits". Make sure you do this as the host (solo guarantees this) as all numbers are screwy when you're a client. Corrosive Projection dropping 30% of an enemy's armor doesn't increase the damage by 30%. It drops the armor's numerical value by 30% which can often result in a massive damage increase against armored opponents at higher levels. This basically means it's a very good idea to bring at-least one when doing high level play until Armor/Damage 2.0 goes live. Edited September 30, 2013 by LazyKnight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darzk Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Ah so if the Synapse can indeed red crit for massive damage spikes it's certainly the best dps weapon out there. Possibly an incoming fix/nerf to that tho, just seems overpowered to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyKnight Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 (edited) Ah so if the Synapse can indeed red crit for massive damage spikes it's certainly the best dps weapon out there. Possibly an incoming fix/nerf to that tho, just seems overpowered to me. It only overpowered on corpus(intended?) I have been using mine for the past few days and stuck 5 forma on it. It was harder to make synapse good than it was for soma, it takes 3-4 forma and a catalyst to start seeing it shine. They are changing how both critical and elemental damage works in armor 2.0 and I have no clue how it will be after that rework. Synapse is not in the same league as shotgun for AP damage DPS. According to Cruelerz: even a standard Strun can get higher AP DPS than a synapse. Edited September 30, 2013 by LazyKnight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REXAMORA Posted October 1, 2013 Author Share Posted October 1, 2013 BEST DAMN LOL ,THANKS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EganMC Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 BEST DAMN LOL ,THANKS Greatest description ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigrex Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/114780-flux-rifle-vs-synapse/#entry1333521 your own thread btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimchiKen_Prime Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/114780-flux-rifle-vs-synapse/#entry1333521 your own thread btw FEEL THE BURN HAHAHAHA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulzscha Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 This is third topic you've created for the exactly the same question, in the last two days. PM sent - spamming the forum with duplicate threads increases clutter and only makes it harder for you to get the answers you need. Merged with your existing threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JukeBoxx831 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 This is third topic you've created for the exactly the same question, in the last two days. PM sent - spamming the forum with duplicate threads increases clutter and only makes it harder for you to get the answers you need. Merged with your existing threads. Thank you! Tired of this guy's same question millions of times lol.. Thought they were looking familiar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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