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Flux Rifle Vs Synapse


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I'd say a tie. Now if you will excuse me Ill get ready for the flame war.

 

 

 

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Edit: This is to help you figure out what you think IN YOUR OWN OPINION has better dps for what ever your doing ect ect

 

Synapse 

 

Good things!

1. Highest base critical chance of all weapons.

2. instantly reaches its maxed range

3. A high 100 magazine clip

4. A high base damage.

5. Fast reload time

6. Can do red crits when used in conjunction  with Volt's shield skill

 

Compared to flux!

1. Less base damage then flux

2. Damage is affected by armor (I think!)

3. No stun!

4. Does not do 3x damage to infested! (No serrated blade)

 

Flux Rifle

Good things!

1. Attacks are not affected by armor.
2. Deal triple damage to light infested.
3. High base damage.
4. Large 100 magazine clip
5. Base stagger chance 100% 
6. High critical damage
 
Compared to Synapse!

1. Less crit chance!

2. Fast reload time more DPS!

3. If you have Volt you will do major red crit damage!

4. Range!

Edited by alphex
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Moved to the proper section.

 

Also, I'll just leave these here:

 

https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/110585-synapse-lol/

 

https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/112011-i-give-up-some-does-more-ap-dps-than-even-flux/

 

"Once fully modded, the Synapse gets the highest DPS of any weapon in the game, both in terms of burst and sustained.

 

As such, Synapse > Soma > Flux"

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Moved to the proper section.

 

Also, I'll just leave these here:

 

https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/110585-synapse-lol/

 

https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/112011-i-give-up-some-does-more-ap-dps-than-even-flux/

 

"Once fully modded, the Synapse gets the highest DPS of any weapon in the game, both in terms of burst and sustained.

 

As such, Synapse > Soma > Flux"

 

Does that include the AP factor as well? I was somewhat confused over the tables.

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I dunno,

 

Flux with just crit mods is 345 dps

Synapse with just crit mods is 700 dps

 

Piercing Hit is only 60%

 

So Flux is 345+207 = 552 armor ignoring dps

and Synapse is 420 armor ignoring dps

 

I would argue at highest levels the Flux is still best for Grineer / Ancient Headshots

 

In comparison, Soma is ~1433 base dps, so ~860 armor ignoring DPS (with shred factored in btw)

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I dunno,

 

Flux with just crit mods is 345 dps

Synapse with just crit mods is 700 dps

 

Piercing Hit is only 60%

 

So Flux is 345+207 = 552 armor ignoring dps

and Synapse is 420 armor ignoring dps

 

I would argue at highest levels the Flux is still best for Grineer / Ancient Headshots

 

In comparison, Soma is ~1433 base dps, so ~860 armor ignoring DPS (with shred factored in btw)

 

That makes me even more unhappy to hear.

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I would argue at highest levels the Flux is still best for Grineer / Ancient Headshots

Flux can not beat synapse on grineer that have a weakness to AP damage.

 

https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/112011-i-give-up-some-does-more-ap-dps-than-even-flux/     Patzer's chart

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlWVt6vp3-YWdHZJRTBvRTBrNGNrb3dNbEZsc0tZVHc#gid=3  Volt_Cruelerz's chart

 

 

Patzer's charts show this clearly, Volt's charts as well: synapse will always be able to out damage flux on something with a 1.5x modifier to AP damage. Synapse can get 2-2.2k dps in ap damage, flux can only get 780-792dps. Even adding flux's base damage to it's ap damage it can not match the synapse on grineer because of their weakness.

 

A flux rifle could NEVER beat a synapse if the knee of an ancient was targeted by the synapse even if the Flux targeted the head. Targeting the head flux should win, but it is not that hard to hit an ancient knee with the laser pointer synapse.

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Patzer's uses 125% base crit chance and incorrectly calculates dps, as well as base dps values all over the place (1007 for flux, 50.3 for soma, what?)

 

Volt_Cruelerz's chart doesnt show the calculations used to come to those conclusions. From his raw data sheets;

 

Flux: ~795 AP DPS (1192 after modifier), ~1325 Serrated Blade damage

Synapse: ~1736.8 AP DPS (2605 after modifier) (value adjusted for again incorrect crit calc)

 

Seems fairly equal to me, although I'd agree the Synapse would be slightly better due to taking down shields faster and instantaneous reach time.

 

Edit: Synapse reloads 25% faster than Flux.

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Patzer's uses 125% base crit chance and incorrectly calculates dps, as well as base dps values all over the place (1007 for flux, 50.3 for soma, what?)

 

Volt_Cruelerz's chart doesnt show the calculations used to come to those conclusions. From his raw data sheets;

 Patzer, Volt_Cruelerz, and Gottfaust all use the same method.

 

Read their post about it in these topic:

https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/112011-i-give-up-some-does-more-ap-dps-than-even-flux/page-7

https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/110585-synapse-lol/page-4

 

Some weapons scale significantly better with mods than others.

"Perfect" Flux Build

  • Cryo Rounds
  • Hellfire
  • Piercing Hit
  • Serration
  • Shred
  • Split Chamber
  • Stormbringer
  • Wildfire
DPS

5535.879

Details

Name :: Flux

Magazine Size :: 120

Total Ammo :: 660

Crit Chance :: 5%

Crit Damage Multiplier :: 200%

Fire Rate :: 13 rounds per second

Reload Time :: 2 seconds

Damage :: 493.43

Damage Shields :: 584.06

Damage Corpus :: 584.06

Damage Grineer :: 493.43

Damage Infested :: 644.48

Crit Damage :: 986.86

Crit Damage to Shields :: 1168.12

Crit Damage to Corpus :: 1168.12

Crit Damage to Grineer :: 986.86

Crit Damage to Infested :: 1288.96

Average Damage :: 518.102

Average Damage to Shields :: 613.263

Average Damage to Corpus :: 613.263

Average Damage to Grineer :: 518.102

Average Damage to Infested :: 676.704

Damage per Mag :: 62172.18

Damage per Mag to Shields :: 73591.56

Damage per Mag to Corpus :: 73591.56

Damage per Mag to Grineer :: 62172.18

Damage per Mag to Infested :: 81204.48

DPS :: 5535.879

DPS to Shields :: 6552.673

DPS to Corpus :: 6552.673

DPS to Grineer :: 5535.879

DPS to Infested :: 7230.536

Burst DPS :: 6735.32

Burst DPS to Shields :: 7972.419

Burst DPS to Corpus :: 7972.419

Burst DPS to Grineer :: 6735.32

Burst DPS to Infested :: 8797.152

"Perfect" Synapse Build

  • Cryo Rounds
  • Hammer Shot
  • Hellfire
  • Piercing Hit
  • Point Strike
  • Serration
  • Split Chamber
  • Vital Sense
DPS

12560.136

Details

Name :: Synapse

Magazine Size :: 100

Total Ammo :: 640

Crit Chance :: 125%

Crit Damage Multiplier :: 560%

Fire Rate :: 10 rounds per second

Reload Time :: 1.5 seconds

Damage :: 213.987

Damage Shields :: 270.631

Damage Corpus :: 427.975

Damage Grineer :: 213.987

Damage Infested :: 270.631

Crit Damage :: 1198.33

Crit Damage to Shields :: 1515.535

Crit Damage to Corpus :: 2396.66

Crit Damage to Grineer :: 1198.33

Crit Damage to Infested :: 1515.535

Average Damage :: 1444.416

Average Damage to Shields :: 1826.761

Average Damage to Corpus :: 2888.831

Average Damage to Grineer :: 1444.416

Average Damage to Infested :: 1826.761

Damage per Mag :: 144441.562

Damage per Mag to Shields :: 182676.094

Damage per Mag to Corpus :: 288883.125

Damage per Mag to Grineer :: 144441.562

Damage per Mag to Infested :: 182676.094

DPS :: 12560.136

DPS to Shields :: 15884.878

DPS to Corpus :: 25120.272

DPS to Grineer :: 12560.136

DPS to Infested :: 15884.878

Burst DPS :: 14444.156

Burst DPS to Shields :: 18267.609

Burst DPS to Corpus :: 28888.312

Burst DPS to Grineer :: 14444.156

Burst DPS to Infested :: 18267.609

Now some interesting facts:

  • The Synapse can "red crit" with a maxed Point Strike.  The number simply doesn't show as red.  Test it yourself: go fight an infested ancient with just Point Strike equipped and shoot at his lower torso from behind so as to avoid head shots.  You'll see a whole bunch of 3s and 4s with some odd 30s and 40s mixed in. Those are the 25% "red crits". Make sure you do this as the host (solo guarantees this) as all numbers are screwy when you're a client.
  • Corrosive Projection dropping 30% of an enemy's armor doesn't increase the damage by 30%.  It drops the armor's numerical value by 30% which can often result in a massive damage increase against armored opponents at higher levels. This basically means it's a very good idea to bring at-least one when doing high level play until Armor/Damage 2.0 goes live.

 

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Ah so if the Synapse can indeed red crit for massive damage spikes it's certainly the best dps weapon out there. Possibly an incoming fix/nerf to that tho, just seems overpowered to me.

It only overpowered on corpus(intended?) I have been using mine for the past few days and stuck 5 forma on it. It was harder to make synapse good than it was for soma, it takes 3-4 forma and a catalyst to start seeing it shine. They are changing how both critical and elemental damage works in armor 2.0 and I have no clue how it will be after that rework.

 

Synapse is not in the same league as shotgun for AP damage DPS. According to Cruelerz: even a standard Strun can get higher AP DPS than a synapse.

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This is third topic you've created for the exactly the same question, in the last two days. PM sent - spamming the forum with duplicate threads increases clutter and only makes it harder for you to get the answers you need.

 

Merged with your existing threads.

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This is third topic you've created for the exactly the same question, in the last two days. PM sent - spamming the forum with duplicate threads increases clutter and only makes it harder for you to get the answers you need.

 

Merged with your existing threads.

 

Thank you! Tired of this guy's same question millions of times lol.. Thought they were looking familiar.

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