Trading Now Pay To Win O_O?

[Kaos88]

I know there is a few thread about this already, but I think this trading is becoming just ridiculous. It's took all the challenge and sense of achievement from the game. I was so pleased getting my serration to rank 10 back in the day and with all my rank 10 things as it takes SOOO damn long!! now u are seeing ppl sell there rank 10 things for less than 100 plat.

 

1 guy selling Rank 10 Blind rage / Rank 8 Narrow minded and Quick thinking for 200 plat for the lot.

1st of all I don't think these ppl realise how much time that takes and just have plat in there eyes. what are they really going to get for 200 plat which is better than all those mods?? O_o I don't get it!

 

Im really not liking this trading what so ever, when I wasn't that much against it before tbh. But what happened to only being able to trade rank 0 mods or if it does have a rank on it, it will be set to 0 if u trade it? I would of been 'alright' with that.

 

The only thing keeping me playing this game is the thrill of improving myself. There is a crap load of grinding too, but im willing to do that because I know every1 else has to do it. But now with the trading there is no need to and I have doubts myself. I now find myself thinking hmmm what's the point in grinding when I have the plat to buy what I want? ( essentially saying why am I playing the game ) so im not enjoying the grinding now with that in the back of my mind. But what if I do go ahead and buy them with plat? I will have everything I want, then have nothing to work for, so what next? only thing left is quit the game, you've won? surely?

[Liechea]

Not really no.

Firstly buying and grinding is decision based so you're literally screwing yourself over and its not really the "other" dudes fault.

If you give in to temptation, so be it. If you didn't however and decide to just grind it, then sure.

 

Really though, its not P2W its more like "Give us some cash, we give you the plat and the rest is up to you"

 

Other than that, if you didn't enjoy it because you simply bought them all, that's kind of your fault for giving in. Hell I gave in and yet I always find new ways to have fun, I find it boring to grind the same bloody spot for 200hours for Surefooted. Having fun isn't "Mod" based grinding, its there to keep busy and distracted as a common goal, having fun in WF is pretty much being great regardless of OPness and find better ways to challenge yourself. (My definition of fun in WF) or just troll with Loki.

 

If your "Fun" in WF is mod grinding, then simply don't give in to temptation and just grind for it.

As for trading, rank stays regardless. Honestly I rather trade or buy a mod that is maxed than spending over 2000 fusions cores and credits.

 

As for the last sentence, quitting over a reason like that is just shows how bad you are at Warframe.

Edited November 23, 2013 by Ephesus

[PocketSand]

It's crazy because a new market has just erupted so everyone that wants things is going as far as they can to get them.  It'll even out over time.

 

To be honest, I don't like the idea of being able to buy instant progress with platinum, but it still takes ranks and forma to slot in all those mods.  Grinding out mods and the cash to fuse those mods can be extremely tedious, so if people want to take a shortcut, let 'em.

[Zoulverine]

I know there is a few thread about this already, but I think this trading is becoming just ridiculous. It's took all the challenge and sense of achievement from the game. I was so pleased getting my serration to rank 10 back in the day and with all my rank 10 things as it takes SOOO damn long!! now u are seeing ppl sell there rank 10 things for less than 100 plat.

 

1 guy selling Rank 10 Blind rage / Rank 8 Narrow minded and Quick thinking for 200 plat for the lot.

1st of all I don't think these ppl realise how much time that takes and just have plat in there eyes. what are they really going to get for 200 plat which is better than all those mods?? O_o I don't get it!

 

Im really not liking this trading what so ever, when I wasn't that much against it before tbh. But what happened to only being able to trade rank 0 mods or if it does have a rank on it, it will be set to 0 if u trade it? I would of been 'alright' with that.

 

The only thing keeping me playing this game is the thrill of improving myself. There is a crap load of grinding too, but im willing to do that because I know every1 else has to do it. But now with the trading there is no need to and I have doubts myself. I now find myself thinking hmmm what's the point in grinding when I have the plat to buy what I want? ( essentially saying why am I playing the game ) so im not enjoying the grinding now with that in the back of my mind. But what if I do go ahead and buy them with plat? I will have everything I want, then have nothing to work for, so what next? only thing left is quit the game, you've won? surely?

i feel exactly the same way , i'm playing for over a 500h to find the mods , the BP , the ingredients that i want, i killed stalker lot of times i finished all the planets , i'm enjoying a lot of funny momments with my friends  ..and now i see what?  everyone to choose the easy way (buy everything with platinum  ) i'm  sad realy sad, the serration (and the other expensive mods is hard but more enjoyable to max it on your own ) or else whats the meaning to play this game for ?

[saiou]

Should we make ranked mod unsellable then? I guess that will fix the problem.

[GI-Jew]

I agree with you  Kaos88.  I feel like platinum should not be able to be traded for mods, but people should still be able to trade mods for mods.  But i also think giving the market time to stabilize would be wise, to be able to clearly see how this will affect the game long term.  If its still as bad as it is right now by U12 I will personally be reevaluating my feelings for this game.

[krim36]

I think they screw up putting plat in trade system, because now it a sell and buy system devaluing the trade system main goal to trade.What happen to trade of equal value they where talking about, trade rare mod for rare mod.If they want people to be buy and sell why dont they put in auction house in the game ?

 

I dont really care about people buy and sell but they should have a place for it that not trade system.

Edited November 23, 2013 by krim36

[Llyssa]

I like how nobody here talks about selling.

 

OMG YOU ARE BUYING PROGRESS! BUYING THE END OF THE GAME! BUYING MAKES IT BORING!

 

Well... what about those people who ground to get an r10 serration, and then sold it to buy the colors they always wanted, or some syandanas or more slots or whatnot? People aren't just going "Oh, platinum is shiny." and surely you haven't "won" the game by purchasing things you can grind for. After all, shouldn't the people selling them to you have quit already, since they had to have "won" to get the item they're selling you?

 

Next question: So you were always planning on quitting? I mean, you say that grinding was the only point. So, what if you got lucky one day, and got all the things you ground for? Or you just got them on the regular percent chances they'll drop? Then what? You'd write a post whining about how the RNG is forcing you to quit by giving you what you want? Yell about the need for more content? Sob piteously, "WHY MUST I HAVE MODS?"

 

Better question: What's the point? Why grind for these things to begin with? If you've no intention of using them(you quit as soon as you've got them all), why do you even want them? A sense of completion from collecting all the stuff? Why not just pretend you got them, quit now, and save yourself the aggravation? I mean, it MUST be aggravation, right? If the only point of playing is to get the rare drop, and you don't actually CARE about the rare drop, you just want it, every single kill that doesn't drop it is, "somewhere in the back of your mind", a complete and utter failure.

 

So your whole theory, then, is frustration if you don't get what you want, and disillusionment if you do. Why are you playing this game to begin with? o.0

 

I'd find a different reason to play, or just stop playing, without the theatrics of "OMG, THE TRADING SYSTEM WE DEMANDED MUST GO AWAY!"

[Nia.Tahl]

The way I see it, buying a ranked mod for platinum equals paying someone for doing you a service that would've taken you a lot of time and effort that you might not have had fun with. Also keep in mind that there isn't really a pay to win since PvP in Warframe is mostly for fun and giggles at best.

 

I myself decided to buy that one mod I had been farming for days on end without ever dropping because I got sick of doing the same thing over and over again. Once the market stabilizes, things should be just fine.

[Tacgnomancer]

some ppl dont have the option to buy the plat for mostly, weapon/warframe slots. 200 plat will get u a fair few slots, a max rank serration(200 plat is a small fee for 20 weapon slots and 4 warframe slots. that u other wise have no chance of getting cause u cant buy plat.

[Xylia]

Don't forget the taxes it takes to use platinum in trades.

 

Those credits can only come from doing the missions. I'll laugh when these big sellers burn millions of credits in plat taxes and then what are they gonna use that plat for later? lol. Then they'll be whining about the Credit nerfs along with everybody else.

[Kaos88]

I like how nobody here talks about selling.

 

OMG YOU ARE BUYING PROGRESS! BUYING THE END OF THE GAME! BUYING MAKES IT BORING!

 

Well... what about those people who ground to get an r10 serration, and then sold it to buy the colors they always wanted, or some syandanas or more slots or whatnot? People aren't just going "Oh, platinum is shiny." and surely you haven't "won" the game by purchasing things you can grind for. After all, shouldn't the people selling them to you have quit already, since they had to have "won" to get the item they're selling you?

 

Next question: So you were always planning on quitting? I mean, you say that grinding was the only point. So, what if you got lucky one day, and got all the things you ground for? Or you just got them on the regular percent chances they'll drop? Then what? You'd write a post whining about how the RNG is forcing you to quit by giving you what you want? Yell about the need for more content? Sob piteously, "WHY MUST I HAVE MODS?"

 

Better question: What's the point? Why grind for these things to begin with? If you've no intention of using them(you quit as soon as you've got them all), why do you even want them? A sense of completion from collecting all the stuff? Why not just pretend you got them, quit now, and save yourself the aggravation? I mean, it MUST be aggravation, right? If the only point of playing is to get the rare drop, and you don't actually CARE about the rare drop, you just want it, every single kill that doesn't drop it is, "somewhere in the back of your mind", a complete and utter failure.

 

So your whole theory, then, is frustration if you don't get what you want, and disillusionment if you do. Why are you playing this game to begin with? o.0

 

I'd find a different reason to play, or just stop playing, without the theatrics of "OMG, THE TRADING SYSTEM WE DEMANDED MUST GO AWAY!"

I see you've tried to look clever by twisting everything I have said, because surely deep down u knew the point of the thread and what I was getting at?

 

The ppl selling have not got all the mods they just see quick plat and go straight towards it. The point of playing is to have a sense of accomplishment by way of progression of your character, which can't be by passed with anything other than time spend on the game.

That has been taken out of the game by giving every1 access to end game content just by buying a bit of plat. Technically a rank 1 who has played for a hour can have a maxed out warframe and mods for there weps ect just by paying the right price. when before that was simply impossible to do before this.

 

Intention of quitting? what are u talking about? It's simply a reality if u are playing a game with no challenge or anything else to work for u will eventually quit. Im rank 13 myself and have more than enough platinum, so Im not just *@##$ing at higher ranked ppl who can afford it. Im talking about people now not having to play the game and put the hours so many ppl have put into this game to get something which is suppose to be end game content. ( Pay to win )

 

Im not saying don't let ppl sell there mods. There are plenty of mods ppl need ( Split chamber / hells chamber / Flow the list goes on ) so they can get there plat in other ways but ranking them up is something which should be worked for. Personally I would rather full weapons and parts trading be enabled rather then the current state of trading atm.

Edited November 23, 2013 by Kaos88

[Kaos88]

The way I see it, buying a ranked mod for platinum equals paying someone for doing you a service that would've taken you a lot of time and effort that you might not have had fun with. Also keep in mind that there isn't really a pay to win since PvP in Warframe is mostly for fun and giggles at best.

 

I myself decided to buy that one mod I had been farming for days on end without ever dropping because I got sick of doing the same thing over and over again. Once the market stabilizes, things should be just fine.

Buying the mod is fine, because farming for it is boring as F***. But lvling it is something every1 can do and should have to do so u are not getting a completely free ride.

[VentiGlondi]

What's the problem?

Guy wants something for something else. You don't have it or think it's overpriced, offer him something else or find someone else.

Trading!

[Kaos88]

The argument here is not should we allow  "time for money" it's the fact u are getting far too much progression for money. Credit boosters and exp boosters help, but they are not game breaking and pay to win. They are a helping hand. But if there was a item which u could buy which if bought makes any item or warframe 0 - 30 would u not call that pay to win? ( I mean u can do it eventually right ) or if u could buy a item which formaed your items 5 times for you and lvl to 30? is that not pay to win? It can be done eventually? ( in fact, lvling a mod still takes longer? ) The point is, lvling up a mod takes soo much time and effort, it should not be so easily sold.

 

Im not saying don't sell mods and by pass the farming for it ( some would even argue this is pay to win to some extent considering how long some mods take to farm ). Im saying you shouldn't be able to have a max rank version of it. Or as some1 already said. lvl for lvl rank 10 for rank 10 ect.

[Llyssa]

I see you've tried to look clever by twisting everything I have said, because surely deep down u knew the point of the thread and what I was getting at?

 

The ppl selling have not got all the mods they just see quick plat and go straight towards it. The point of playing is to have a sense of accomplishment by way of progression of your character, which can't be by passed with anything other than time spend on the game.

That has been taken out of the game by giving every1 access to end game content just by buying a bit of plat. Technically a rank 1 who has played for a hour can have a maxed out warframe and mods for there weps ect just by paying the right price. when before that was simply impossible to do before this.

 

Intention of quitting? what are u talking about? It's simply a reality if u are playing a game with no challenge or anything else to work for u will eventually quit. Im rank 13 myself and have more than enough platinum, so Im not just *@##$ing at higher ranked ppl who can afford it. Im talking about people now not having to play the game and put the hours so many ppl have put into this game to get something which is suppose to be end game content. ( Pay to win )

 

Im not saying don't let ppl sell there mods. There are plenty of mods ppl need ( Split chamber / hells chamber / Flow the list goes on ) so they can get there plat in other ways but ranking them up is something which should be worked for. Personally I would rather full weapons and parts trading be enabled rather then the current state of trading atm.

I see you're trying to save face by pretending you mean something you don't.

 

People have known trading is coming. Some people have PURPOSELY farmed for things JUST to trade them. One guy I bought from explained he had over 40 of the rare mod in question, just because he'd been power-farming it in anticipation of this. The guy is going to get a ton of plat. He worked for it. A lot of other people did too.

 

It's absurd for you be dismissing all of the efforts because "OH NO, SPENDING ENOUGH MONEY MEANS YOU CAN OWN ALL THE MODS IN HOUR 1!" I don't see how that's actually bad. If someone *wants* to spend that much money on the game, more power to them. The rest of us should be grateful for their donation to the cause.

 

As far as "having a goal", mine is "having fun". I enjoy running around with crazy ninja flips and wiping out groups of enemies with oddball tactics. I like finding secrets(even if I've been there before a dozen times), trying to loot every container in a map, trying to battle endless waves for survival.

 

I'm not playing for some manufactured "MUST HAVE IT" mod list or item list, but that's *exactly* what you've said the ONLY point of the game is(several times now), and there is NO "twisting" of words to pull it off.

 

You don't want to play the game, you want to collect the mods, and playing the game is just an annoyance on your way to getting them all. If you actually found the game itself to be "fun", you wouldn't CARE how many mods you have, beyond what power they grant you. Again, no twisting at all here, just straight up what you yourself have said.

 

If "that's not what you meant", sorry, but that's EXACTLY what you keep saying over and over and over. So, really, if the game is just the annoying interlude between you and your mod collection, why play?

 

We ALL know the "point of the thread": You don't actually enjoy playing the game, and you just lost the macguffin keeping you here, so you want to have a big dramatic cryfest to try and convince people that the macguffin should be restored by removing the ability to obtain it, because you've spent so much effort paying and playing for that reason alone that you now feel incredibly stupid, and that makes you angry.

 

You can try and spin it any way you want, but that's the long and short of it.

[Davoodoo]

First question regarding your reasoning is p2w for who?? Being able to sell bunch of mods you wont ever bother to use or just another for some plat is a blessing for "older" players. Theres nothing wrong with selling mods as long as someone is wlling to pay for them and that money just doesnt disappear. At beginning of game you will need lots of mods but as game progresses you will want more and more catalysts and maybe some cosmetic stuff or youre just lazy and dont want to farm frame, DE gave option to do so without buying plat and without hurting economy. If you ask me this system is far superior to do doing polls for a slight chance to not be cheated. 

Only problem i see with this system is that it would be better just to put it as auction house to reduce spam and increase availability. Oh and ofc option to trade bps and parts. 

Edited November 23, 2013 by Davoodoo

[Kaos88]

I see you're trying to save face by pretending you mean something you don't.

 

People have known trading is coming. Some people have PURPOSELY farmed for things JUST to trade them. One guy I bought from explained he had over 40 of the rare mod in question, just because he'd been power-farming it in anticipation of this. The guy is going to get a ton of plat. He worked for it. A lot of other people did too.

 

It's absurd for you be dismissing all of the efforts because "OH NO, SPENDING ENOUGH MONEY MEANS YOU CAN OWN ALL THE MODS IN HOUR 1!" I don't see how that's actually bad. If someone *wants* to spend that much money on the game, more power to them. The rest of us should be grateful for their donation to the cause.

 

As far as "having a goal", mine is "having fun". I enjoy running around with crazy ninja flips and wiping out groups of enemies with oddball tactics. I like finding secrets(even if I've been there before a dozen times), trying to loot every container in a map, trying to battle endless waves for survival.

 

I'm not playing for some manufactured "MUST HAVE IT" mod list or item list, but that's *exactly* what you've said the ONLY point of the game is(several times now), and there is NO "twisting" of words to pull it off.

 

You don't want to play the game, you want to collect the mods, and playing the game is just an annoyance on your way to getting them all. If you actually found the game itself to be "fun", you wouldn't CARE how many mods you have, beyond what power they grant you. Again, no twisting at all here, just straight up what you yourself have said.

 

If "that's not what you meant", sorry, but that's EXACTLY what you keep saying over and over and over. So, really, if the game is just the annoying interlude between you and your mod collection, why play?

 

We ALL know the "point of the thread": You don't actually enjoy playing the game, and you just lost the macguffin keeping you here, so you want to have a big dramatic cryfest to try and convince people that the macguffin should be restored by removing the ability to obtain it, because you've spent so much effort paying and playing for that reason alone that you now feel incredibly stupid, and that makes you angry.

 

You can try and spin it any way you want, but that's the long and short of it.

Again trying to tell ME the reason I play the game and what Im thinking. The reason I play the game is ofc for fun too O_o how would it be for anything else? But what also makes it fun is the accomplishment of getting there? I don't say anywhere I like to collect all the mods. I also didn't say I don't like trading of rare mods, if u would of read my other posts u would of seen I don't mind the trading of rare mods so much, I care about trading high ranks of the mods.

 

Who is spinning anything? It's not that hard to grasp. I don't like the fact some1 can get 200+ hours of work in a blink of a eye. That in my eyes is for sure pay to win. If it was some1 who just started, buying all the rare mods but rank 0. He has no boring mod farming to do but at least has to work for his power from the mods. The fact is u can get waay too much progression for real money, which ruins the game. If you disagree so be it. I for sure think you can get waay too much! Like I said before if DE themselves added OP lvling up items like 5 times forma a wep to 30 item. People sure as hell would be complaining about pay to win. But because it's players doing it, it's fine.

[Kaos88]

First question regarding your reasoning is p2w for who?? Being able to sell bunch of mods you wont ever bother to use or just another for some plat is a blessing for "older" players. Theres nothing wrong with selling mods as long as someone is wlling to pay for them and that money just doesnt disappear. At beginning of game you will need lots of mods but as game progresses you will want more and more catalysts and maybe some cosmetic stuff or youre just lazy and dont want to farm frame, DE gave option to do so without buying plat and without hurting economy. If you ask me this system is far superior to do doing polls for a slight chance to not be cheated. 

Only problem i see with this system is that it would be better just to put it as auction house to reduce spam and increase availability. Oh and ofc option to trade bps and parts. 

Spare mods or mods you have picked up from farming or simply don't use, sure, sell them for a bit of plat. But last I checked u don't randomly rank up a mod u don't use to rank 10 then sell it and doing so isn't just a friendly un-needed mod trading. This will in fact in courage farmers to farm mods to sell for plat to then sell to players for under the price of DE. Has no1 ever played a MMO before? Not to mention it's a free to play game too so they can make as many accounts as they want.

Edited November 23, 2013 by Kaos88

[Boomstick720]

Again trying to tell ME the reason I play the game and what Im thinking. The reason I play the game is ofc for fun too O_o how would it be for anything else? But what also makes it fun is the accomplishment of getting there? I don't say anywhere I like to collect all the mods. I also didn't say I don't like trading of rare mods, if u would of read my other posts u would of seen I don't mind the trading of rare mods so much, I care about trading high ranks of the mods.

 

Who is spinning anything? It's not that hard to grasp. I don't like the fact some1 can get 200+ hours of work in a blink of a eye. That in my eyes is for sure pay to win. If it was some1 who just started, buying all the rare mods but rank 0. He has no boring mod farming to do but at least has to work for his power from the mods. The fact is u can get waay too much progression for real money, which ruins the game. If you disagree so be it. I for sure think you can get waay too much! Like I said before if DE themselves added OP lvling up items like 5 times forma a wep to 30 item. People sure as hell would be complaining about pay to win. But because it's players doing it, it's fine.

For christ's sake clean up your grammar, your English teacher would have a heart attack right now.  You don't need to abbreviate everything.

 

Also I bolded this quote to point out the issue that makes you wrong.  In other words, you don't like the idea of someone paying in a free to play game, especially if that person suddenly has some progress because of it.  Are you for real?  You sound like you are saying that paying to get an upgrade is terrible, and if that is the case, bad news kid, welcome to the F2P model.  If anything, DE is far better, because paying only helps you gain more progress, not actively makes you better.  "Oh no a mod can be bought now, its a P2W, DE is awful".  You still need to level near everything to actually make mods available to use.  And guess what, not all mods are perfect for all situations, especially with new damage 2.0.  Pretty much serration and the equivalent for pistols is really necessary for most guns, so I hardly see how that makes this game P2W at all.

 

Off topic, does anyone else feel that anyone who seriously uses the term pay to win to describe warframe should be castrated?  Just a thought. 

[Davoodoo]

Spare mods or mods you have picked up from farming or simply don't use, sure, sell them for a bit of plat. But last I checked u don't randomly rank up a mod u don't use to rank 10 then sell it and doing so isn't just a friendly un-needed mod trading. This will in fact in courage farmers to farm mods to sell for plat to then sell to players for under the price of DE. Has no1 ever played a MMO before? Not to mention it's a free to play game too so they can make as many accounts as they want.

And whats wrong with that?? Ppl use free giveaways and promotion codes to sell undervalued premium for years. Nothing will change it. If there are ppl willing to farm bosses for you in wow why wouldnt there be some koreans willing to farm mods for you if you pay them. Prices for rank10 mods are silly now,. rank0 heavy caliber can go for 10-20 plat while rank 10 for 200-300.

Edited November 23, 2013 by Davoodoo

[Kaos88]

For christ's sake clean up your grammar, your English teacher would have a heart attack right now.  You don't need to abbreviate everything.

 

Also I bolded this quote to point out the issue that makes you wrong.  In other words, you don't like the idea of someone paying in a free to play game, especially if that person suddenly has some progress because of it.  Are you for real?  You sound like you are saying that paying to get an upgrade is terrible, and if that is the case, bad news kid, welcome to the F2P model.  If anything, DE is far better, because paying only helps you gain more progress, not actively makes you better.  "Oh no a mod can be bought now, its a P2W, DE is awful".  You still need to level near everything to actually make mods available to use.  And guess what, not all mods are perfect for all situations, especially with new damage 2.0.  Pretty much serration and the equivalent for pistols is really necessary for most guns, so I hardly see how that makes this game P2W at all.

 

Off topic, does anyone else feel that anyone who seriously uses the term pay to win to describe warframe should be castrated?  Just a thought. 

Why does no1 read all the posts then asks the same questions? I said there needs to be a limit of how much progression you can buy! You are going to one extreme to another! WHAT U DON'T LIKE DE TO MAKE MONEY, DO U WANT THEM TO GO BANK CRUPT AND DIE!!! Lol no, but there does need to be a restriction so there isn't a MASSIVE advantage when u pay for things. That is also considered Pay to win.

 

As u can see im a Master founder myself. So I realise the important of money coming in. But I wouldn't of bought the pack at all if u got a un-fair boost over every1 or it said, get your warframe to 30 straight the way or something. Because then what's the point in playing? Same thing with mods atm.

 

( As u can see im ignoring your grammar crap as, as long as ppl know what im saying im not going to waste my time spelling things correctly in big posts on a video game forum )

[Kaos88]

And whats wrong with that?? Ppl use free giveaways and promotion codes to sell undervalued premium for years. Nothing will change it. If there are ppl willing to farm bosses for you in wow why wouldnt there be some koreans willing to farm mods for you if you pay them. Prices for rank10 mods are silly now,. rank0 heavy caliber can go for 10-20 plat while rank 10 for 200-300.

You are asking me what's wrong with farmers in a free to play game? Really? The simple fact that Platinum is DEs only income therefore if farmers are undercutting them then there will be no more warframe. Not hard to figure out really.

Edited November 23, 2013 by Kaos88

[Boomstick720]

Why does no1 read all the posts then asks the same questions? I said there needs to be a limit of how much progression you can buy! You are going to one extreme to another! WHAT U DON'T LIKE DE TO MAKE MONEY, DO U WANT THEM TO GO BANK CRUPT AND DIE!!! Lol no, but there does need to be a restriction so there isn't a MASSIVE advantage when u pay for things. That is also considered Pay to win.

 

As u can see im a Master founder myself. So I realise the important of money coming in. But I wouldn't of bought the pack at all if u got a un-fair boost over every1 or it said, get your warframe to 30 straight the way or something. Because then what's the point in playing? Same thing with mods atm.

 

( As u can see im ignoring your grammar crap as, as long as ppl know what im saying im not going to waste my time spelling things correctly in big posts on a video game forum )

Hey I'm trying to help you appear to not look like a 3rd grade drop-out, but if you insist on acting and spelling like one, be my guest.

 

Unfortunately, I do not have any idea how to communicate how your argument is simply flawed now, as its clear you are beyond logic at this point, so I'll let someone else do it.  Adieu.

[Kaos88]

Hey I'm trying to help you appear to not look like a 3rd grade drop-out, but if you insist on acting and spelling like one, be my guest.

 

Unfortunately, I do not have any idea how to communicate how your argument is simply flawed now, as its clear you are beyond logic at this point, so I'll let someone else do it.  Adieu.

Please do, you seem to just be another troll who disagrees therefore resorts to insulting or trying to be little some1 with another opinion to yours. If u want to tell me how it's flawed instead of just saying "It's flawed! but im just too smart and your too dumb to understand it" lol get out.