TheFirstRonin Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 (edited) I mean its not like it wasnt before? Am i right, also i dont think it was OP so why make toggleable and use energy/s? Sry for double post.... I mean they pretty much nerfed something which didnt need a nerf that makes me question WHY DE WHY U DO THIS TO PUDDLE??? Edited May 17, 2014 by TheFirstRonin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ-7809 Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 I mean its not like it wasnt before? Am i right, also i dont think it was OP so why make toggleable and use energy/s? Because, say, you're in Undertow mode, super drown much awesomeness, And a teamate goes down. Wouldn't it be nice to cough up the half-drowned enemies, dry yourself off a bit, and save him? Considering there are no other teammates? Just a thought. It's to keep you from getting locked in one place when you need to be elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyPip Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Because sometimes you used it for less than the duration and you ended up wasting energy, now it's different and if you mod it correctly and have a trinity or energy restores it can go a long way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angius Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 (edited) Because it's DE. They tend to "fix" what is not broken, and leave the broken things be. You could end Undertow perfectly fine without this change. Edited May 17, 2014 by Angius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterKha Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Because, say, you're in Undertow mode, super drown much awesomeness, And a teamate goes down. Wouldn't it be nice to cough up the half-drowned enemies, dry yourself off a bit, and save him? Considering there are no other teammates? Just a thought. It's to keep you from getting locked in one place when you need to be elsewhere. I thought you could already cancel undertow just by moving before they changed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishki88 Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 (edited) Preserves more energy I thought you could already cancel undertow just by moving before they changed it. Yes. But for example. Instead of using 20 energy for 40 seconds of duration. Now you have the ability to use exactly how much energy you want to dispense. If I only want to remain in my puddle for 10 seconds and only use 5 energy...now I can..i dont have to use 10 energy points for 30 seconds when I only wanted to use it for 10..............yes you can get out of the puddle at will but you can't gain back the energy you just wasted edit: i used random numbers to get my point across faster Edited May 17, 2014 by Ishki88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brynslustafir Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Puddle is love. Puddle is life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFirstRonin Posted May 17, 2014 Author Share Posted May 17, 2014 Because, say, you're in Undertow mode, super drown much awesomeness, And a teamate goes down. Wouldn't it be nice to cough up the half-drowned enemies, dry yourself off a bit, and save him? Considering there are no other teammates? Just a thought. It's to keep you from getting locked in one place when you need to be elsewhere. If you moved while using undertow pre 13.3 the skill aborted and you could move go and revive so why make it toggleable if it already was Why make it cost energy per sec now its just a waste of energy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbister Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Because, say, you're in Undertow mode, super drown much awesomeness, And a teamate goes down. Wouldn't it be nice to cough up the half-drowned enemies, dry yourself off a bit, and save him? Considering there are no other teammates? Just a thought. It's to keep you from getting locked in one place when you need to be elsewhere. it was cancelable already, so all you just said "puff" gone in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbister Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 I think the real reason behind this was not to make it toggable but to make it more expensive because it was frequently used as a trolling skills, people would use it on high level defense missions and delay the whole team just for "fun", i think that they changed it so people dont use it just to bother others, im completely speculating though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momoynator Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Preserves more energy Yes. But for example. Instead of using 20 energy for 40 seconds of duration. Now you have the ability to use exactly how much energy you want to dispense. If I only want to remain in my puddle for 10 seconds and only use 5 energy...now I can..i dont have to use 10 energy points for 30 seconds when I only wanted to use it for 10..............yes you can get out of the puddle at will but you can't gain back the energy you just wasted To everyone who keeps on repeating the exact same things as the OP.. Please read this guy ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishki88 Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 To everyone who keeps on repeating the exact same things as the OP.. Please read this guy ^^ They don't hear me man lol...the same thing can be said for Banshee and Nyx... play the game...observe everything....just don't read the hotfix and go straight to GD to vent ;_; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFirstRonin Posted May 17, 2014 Author Share Posted May 17, 2014 (edited) Preserves more energy Yes. But for example. Instead of using 20 energy for 40 seconds of duration. Now you have the ability to use exactly how much energy you want to dispense. If I only want to remain in my puddle for 10 seconds and only use 5 energy...now I can..i dont have to use 10 energy points for 30 seconds when I only wanted to use it for 10..............yes you can get out of the puddle at will but you can't gain back the energy you just wasted Undertow uses 50 energy and last if maxed out over 60 secs you were not invincible Aoe and enemy leaders still could harm you with there skillsBut thats not what im trying to say im saying why make it cost energy per sec?? That is if you use it now it drains as i understand 50 energy to innitiate the skill then it drains energy per sec if your energy pool is empty the skill stopps Which comes to my point it isnt worth using anymore thats what makes me sad Edited May 17, 2014 by TheFirstRonin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishki88 Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 (edited) Undertow uses 50 energy and last if maxed out over 60 secs you were not invincibil Aoe and enemy leaders still could harm you with there skills But thats not what im trying to say im saying why make it cost energy per sec?? That is if you use it now it drains as i understand 50 energy to innitiate the skill then it drains energy per sec if your energy pool is empty the skill stopps Which comes to my point it isnt worth using anymore thats what makes me sad I'll eat my own words...I'm going to test it out now....brb edit: Nope. You are wrong and I am right. It cost nothing to cast the power. Once it is activated, your energy then starts to deplete. People........please.....play..........the game...........and observe everything Edit 2: Let me elaborate. It does COST something. With my build it cost only 3 points to activate. Not literally nothing....just sayin' my point still stands Edited May 17, 2014 by Ishki88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFirstRonin Posted May 17, 2014 Author Share Posted May 17, 2014 I'll eat my own words...I'm going to test it out now....brb edit: Nope. You are wrong and I am right. It cost nothing to cast the power. Once it is activated, your energy then starts to deplete. People........please.....play..........the game...........and observe everything Edit 2: Let me elaborate. It does COST something. With my build it cost only 3 points to activate. Not literally nothing....just sayin' my point still stands Well thanks for clarifying then but you have to admit its still a nerf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(NSW)LilVanu Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Well thanks for clarifying then but you have to admit its still a nerf Not really... It means you can use it until your energy runs dry. Which would probably be even longer than any duration mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishki88 Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Well thanks for clarifying then but you have to admit its still a nerf If you feel it's a nerf, then do as you wish. Hopefully you make sense and DE will take it into consideration. And no, I do not consider it a nerf. I have no idea how being able to preserve energy plus tweaking the toggle ability of the power a nerf. Please do not bring up it's damage numbers because it never dealt high numbers of damage. But guess what.....with the change to the puddle now, you can most likely deal a lot more damage...I'll let you figure out how.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobsplosion Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Well thanks for clarifying then but you have to admit its still a nerf I don't think you know what a nerf is. Or you're just trying to find something to complain about. OR you made a mistake and now you're trying to backpedal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFirstRonin Posted May 17, 2014 Author Share Posted May 17, 2014 Not really... It means you can use it until your energy runs dry. Which would probably be even longer than any duration mods. Lets say you are pre 13.3 it uses 50 energy, imagine you only have 50 energy atm and your sorrounded by bombards and napalms if you use undertow with maxed duration it would last atleast 60 sec if not more now as it stands with 50 energy you arent able to hold 60 sec because of the drain So it is a nerf i would say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishki88 Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 (edited) Lets say you are pre 13.3 it uses 50 energy, imagine you only have 50 energy atm and your sorrounded by bombards and napalms if you use undertow with maxed duration it would last atleast 60 sec if not more now as it stands with 50 energy you arent able to hold 60 sec because of the drain So it is a nerf i would say I hate to say this but.......I don't think you know how to Hydroid yet lol ......you might want to play around some more with his change my friend.... also...I don't even think having a LVL 20-40 Napalm in undertow would kill him even if you had him sucked in it for 60 seconds...I mean thats a complete waste of time dude..your teammate could of killed him by then...........you're trying to use it for DMG when it's clearly a light dmg max CC power.... double edit..and even IF you're playing solo....you could of killed him with a unranked lato in the same time span or less lol .the dmg of the puddle is laughable......as it should stay (dmg wise) imo Edited May 17, 2014 by Ishki88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgedemon Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 I thought you could already cancel undertow just by moving before they changed it. yeas but still at full cost now you pay for what you used and you can choose to stay longer seems like a nice addition to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFirstRonin Posted May 17, 2014 Author Share Posted May 17, 2014 I hate to say this but.......I don't think you know how to Hydroid yet lol ......you might want to play around some more with his change my friend.... also...I don't even think having a LVL 20-40 Napalm in undertow would kill him even if you had him sucked in it for 60 seconds...I mean thats a complete waste of time dude..your teammate could of killed him by then...........you're trying to use it for DMG when it's clearly a light dmg max CC power.... double edit..and even IF you're playing solo....you could of killed him with a unranked lato in the same time span or less lol .the dmg of the puddle is laughable......as it should stay (dmg wise) imo Im not saying that im trying to kill them with undertow(hydroid is the crowd control frame not the dmg-dealer) i m just wondering why they changed undertow into underuseful i mean it was fine no one complained about it being OP or somehow too good. so why change it? They could have improved or nerfed or what ever you wanna call it another abilitie, there was rly no point in changing it it was fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyEnneract Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 50 energy for 60+s is more cost efficient than its 1.3? energy per second. Simple math. And if you factor in having on energy siphon, then it's even stronger before, since energy siphon does not work while using toggles. It is 100% a nerf; but does it matter? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(NSW)LilVanu Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 (edited) Im not saying that im trying to kill them with undertow(hydroid is the crowd control frame not the dmg-dealer) i m just wondering why they changed undertow into underuseful i mean it was fine no one complained about it being OP or somehow too good. so why change it? They could have improved or nerfed or what ever you wanna call it another abilitie, there was rly no point in changing it it was fine by making a new build for much longer than what you told me. I'm rendering a video right now I'll slap it on this thread in a bit of the exact build I went with. Baring in mind I'm just a rank 30 Hydroid with no forma and no potato. Edited May 17, 2014 by Sutherland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFirstRonin Posted May 17, 2014 Author Share Posted May 17, 2014 50 energy for 60+s is more cost efficient than its 1.3? energy per second. Simple math. And if you factor in having on energy siphon, then it's even stronger before, since energy siphon does not work while using toggles. It is 100% a nerf; but does it matter? No. I guess your right since it isnt going to change anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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