eraze93 Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 (edited) hello again. well this is general discussion so i wana discuss.In My Opinion (IMO)Ash is now HIGH TIER frame. Thank you scott.and i am dare to say that HIS DAMAGE is HIS UTILITY In high level (t4) i am dare to say that please no more hate towards ash in defense high level. because you need ash in high level defend now. lets discuss. it should be fun. before you comment though. please check this 1st: the best ability ingame for now http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Blade_Storm edited: oh ya please comment yes i agree, no i disagree in your last comment about mine: Ash is now HIGH TIER frame Edited August 12, 2014 by theclinton Removed Image Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niryco Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 (edited) hello again. well this is general discussion so i wana discuss. In My Opinion (IMO) Ash is now HIGH TIER frame. Thank you scott. and i am dare to say that HIS DAMAGE is HIS UTILITY In high level (t4) i am dare to say that please no more hate towards ash in defense high level. because you need ash in high level defend now. lets discuss. it should be fun. before you comment though. please check this 1st: the best ability ingame for now http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Blade_Storm For me it is teleport + melee = absurd damage roughly 20K. Why is this good? Kills hard to kill mobs in one hit at higher levels, very useful to taking out eximus. Edited August 12, 2014 by Jacate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheErebus. Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 His blade storm doesn't scale when it comes to very high level missions. I love ash. He is my main frame, but he isn't a top tier frame at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthRevan84 Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 You are welcome to your opinion. I for one kick people from my T4s if i see them on frames i deem unworthy of T4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanutMonster Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 You are welcome to your opinion. I for one kick people from my T4s if i see them on frames i deem unworthy of T4. Ah, another inexperienced player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eraze93 Posted August 12, 2014 Author Share Posted August 12, 2014 For me it is teleport + melee = absurd damage roughly 20K. Why is this good? Kills hard to kill mobs in one hit at higher levels, very useful to taking out eximus. edited: oh ya please comment yes i agree, no i disagree in your last comment about mine: Ash is now HIGH TIER frame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphafox Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 You are welcome to your opinion. I for one kick people from my T4s if i see them on frames i deem unworthy of T4. Just like you are welcome to yours (even if it's ridiculous) Ah, another inexperienced player. Sadly they are not a rare breed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleesus Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 I been around the block a few times and have seen how these posts tend to play out. Lets keep it civil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanutMonster Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 I been around the block a few times and have seen how these posts tend to play out. Lets keep it civil. Prepare the warning hammer. Sadly they are not a rare breed. Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnProdman Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 You are welcome to your opinion. I for one kick people from my T4s if i see them on frames i deem unworthy of T4. Same here, but not in a mean or rude way, of course. I take the time to explain why I'm requesting a specific group composition. Ah, another inexperienced player. How, exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eraze93 Posted August 12, 2014 Author Share Posted August 12, 2014 His blade storm doesn't scale when it comes to very high level missions. I love ash. He is my main frame, but he isn't a top tier frame at all. well nothing can againts pure damage. coz i do 60 min t4 survival solo. with secret build. that i want to share later. to give some knowledge. that nothing can againts pure damage stab 17 times. until the unit die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthRevan84 Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Ah, another inexperienced player. You are also welcome to your opinion but seeing as I am Mastery Rank 16 I am far from inexperienced. Though my opinions may be colored by the past of the game and not the current. I personally cannot see any reason to bring Ash to any kind of T4 when there are clearly better choices for the slots even more so for a Tier 4 defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanutMonster Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 How, exactly? Judging players by their Warframes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambarpowder Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Why would you care about how strong he is? He's ASH. The one and only. He has his own tier in the above and beyond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheErebus. Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 well nothing can againts pure damage. coz i do 60 min t4 survival solo. with secret build. that i want to share later. to give some knowledge. that nothing can againts pure damage stab 17 times. until the unit die. See here's the thing: 17 stabs. WHERE AS I could kill just as easily and quicker with any other frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViLeDeth Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 edited: oh ya please comment yes i agree, no i disagree in your last comment about mine: Ash is now HIGH TIER frame Doesn't matter how many times you say it - 5 more people will just tell you Ash is not high tier even with changes. He's better now and that's it. Blade Storm doesn't scale and the only thing it has going for it is finisher damage. At that point where your bladestorm fails to kill enemies and you need to recast to even keep up the damage. Ash is really a PvP frame monster - PvE mid-tier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evanescent Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 People forget his bleed scales with damage. How pray is 1k bleed per tick not high tier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheErebus. Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 You are also welcome to your opinion but seeing as I am Mastery Rank 16 I am far from inexperienced. Though my opinions may be colored by the past of the game and not the current. I personally cannot see any reason to bring Ash to any kind of T4 when there are clearly better choices for the slots even more so for a Tier 4 defense. Because it's not the warframe that makes a player good. It's the player that MAKES the warframe good. I hold out damn well in T4 as an Ash. All it takes it just the right modding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yazeth Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 His blade storm doesn't scale when it comes to very high level missions. I love ash. He is my main frame, but he isn't a top tier frame at all. Just max out efficiency and let the Combo Counter do the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niryco Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Why would you care about how strong he is? He's ASH. The one and only. He has his own tier in the above and beyond. To INFINITY AND BEYOND! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthRevan84 Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Doesn't matter how many times you say it - 5 more people will just tell you Ash is not high tier even with changes. He's better now and that's it. Blade Storm doesn't scale and the only thing it has going for it is finisher damage. At that point where your bladestorm fails to kill enemies and you need to recast to even keep up the damage. Ash is really a PvP frame monster - PvE mid-tier. Yea thats basically how i look at ash aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eraze93 Posted August 12, 2014 Author Share Posted August 12, 2014 See here's the thing: 17 stabs. WHERE AS I could kill just as easily and quicker with any other frame. level 100 mob not that easly but with invulnerable and 17 times stab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-HAKUNA-YOUR-TATAS- Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 His blade storm doesn't scale when it comes to very high level missions. I love ash. He is my main frame, but he isn't a top tier frame at all. Yeah it's true. I main ash as well and agree that he's not top tier. BUT... Not all of us need top tier frames to do well in this game. XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yazeth Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Because it's not the warframe that makes a player good. It's the player that MAKES the warframe good. I hold out damn well in T4 as an Ash. All it takes it just the right modding. Same here. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthRevan84 Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 (edited) Because it's not the warframe that makes a player good. It's the player that MAKES the warframe good. I hold out damn well in T4 as an Ash. All it takes it just the right modding. Yes i couldnt agree more and you must be one of the few players that can mod him right. But the scores of scrubs you run into that dont understand how to mod him paint the frame in a unpleasent light in many things T4 or otherwise. Edited August 12, 2014 by DarthRevan84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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