pureology Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 So i have recently gotten limbo, and i have too say he is a pretty amazing frame, he looks amazing, he has amazing abilities, and is Amazingly fun too play as, he is generally AMAZING! However the fact that when you cast "Rift walk" & "Cataclysm" you can not pick up items on the ground make him less "Amazing". now i understand that the reason this is the way it is is due too the fact that limbo gains energy whilst in the void and it would be stupid op if he could gain hp and or energy from Energy/Health orbs while in rift walk, since he is pretty much invincible as it is. i just don't get why he cant pickup resources or mods, or ammo or anything. Its really annoying having too turn rift walk off just too pick a mod up every few minutes, on top of that people get annoyed when you cast "Cataclysm" on the defense objective and they cant pick up item either, also turning off rift walk or leaving cataclysm too pick these items up will almost 80% of the time result in death, which is not fun for you or your teammates, nor is it fair too your comrades who simply wanted that mod on the ground outside of your cataclysm and are now dead because they risked it for the mod. A simple solution too this is making it so limbo and other players in the game are allowed too get any drops except for energy and health while under the influence of limbo's abilities. Limbo players have been hated since day one, and players branded limbo as a Troll-Frame due too banish. PLEASE! Fix this so he is no longer annoying too the one using him, and the other players in the game. Leave your thoughts, BYE! -pureology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkyPygmy Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 (edited) When you use rift walk it makes sense that you can't pick up items and its no biggy because you can turn it off any time. Its mostly when you use catalysm that you definitely should be able to pick up any items in the AOE because well, they are in the rift dimension and so are you. I've lost count of how many times I've used cat only to have to wait a good 20 seconds for it to expire so I can pick up the loots. I hate using cat because it stops team mates from getting pickups as well. Edited December 29, 2014 by StinkyPygmy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nagasadri Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Last time i played Limbo my teamates told me to play a "straight frame" because "limbo so gay" since they couldn't grab loot while inside cataclysm.I didn't even troll them with banish (even if i was highly tempted at one point), i literaly just cataclysmed the cryopod in defense mission and they went on telling me to kill myself IRL just because i played an unpopular warframe. Aaaah, the internet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pureology Posted December 29, 2014 Author Share Posted December 29, 2014 When you use rift walk it makes sense that you can't pick up items and its no biggy because you can turn it off any time. Its mostly when you use catalysm that you definitely should be able to pick up any items in the AOE because well, they are in the rift dimension and so are you. I've lost count of how many times I've used cat only to have to wait a good 20 seconds for it to expire so I can pick up the loots. I hate using cat because it stops team mates from getting pickups as well. You are right about rift walk, turning it off and on is not that big of a deal, but after doing it like fifty times a mission, and going down several times because it was deactivated gets really annoying.... Also i feel you with cataclysm, it does not make much sense that the warframes and the defending area are now in another dimension but the items that are still physically there are not part of that dimension thus not being able too be picked up, #Logic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syzodia Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 However the fact that when you cast "Rift walk" & "Cataclysm" you can not pick up items on the ground make him less "Amazing". now i understand that the reason this is the way it is is due too the fact that limbo gains energy whilst in the void and it would be stupid op if he could gain hp and or energy from Energy/Health orbs while in rift walk, since he is pretty much invincible as it is Nope. The reason is because the loot simply doesn't exist in the rift dimension. Hence by being there, you can't pick it up. Although I'm not sure how things work when you kill an enemy in the rift dimension and (if) they drop stuff - is it considered in limbo? Now that said, I reckon it's a bug that cataclysm doesn't "banish" loot along with enemies, since they too are entities. Basically I'm suggesting that only cataclysm should be adjusted not only to make sense, but so that loot captured in the hole *can* be picked up by those inside. Banish and rift walk should be left alone, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvid Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 A good way to explain this is if you imagine a mirror. You can pick up objects on your side of the mirror, as can your reflection on its side. However, You can't pick up things in the mirror directly, even when they are within reach. Likewise, your reflection can't interact with objects in the real world. Take that mirror, make it four-dimensional, and you have an accurate representation of why Banished and Rift-walking players can't pick up items. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pureology Posted December 29, 2014 Author Share Posted December 29, 2014 A good way to explain this is if you imagine a mirror. You can pick up objects on your side of the mirror, as can your reflection on its side. However, You can't pick up things in the mirror directly, even when they are within reach. Likewise, your reflection can't interact with objects in the real world. Take that mirror, make it four-dimensional, and you have an accurate representation of why Banished and Rift-walking players can't pick up items. I understand the concept, the logic is there i understand, i am looking at it from a game mechanic view, and if you want too take the whole dimension logic seriously then items in cataclysm are technically in the dimension as someone mentioned earlier. regardless, why should someone have too consistently go in and out of rift walk too pick up alloy plate, or salvage, and risk dying, especially on high waves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Magician_NG Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 If you're rift walking and want to pick something up cast cataclysm ontop of the item. If you're in cataclysm and want to pick something up cast riftwalk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pureology Posted December 30, 2014 Author Share Posted December 30, 2014 If you're rift walking and want to pick something up cast cataclysm ontop of the item. If you're in cataclysm and want to pick something up cast riftwalk. That does not seem too work for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pureology Posted December 30, 2014 Author Share Posted December 30, 2014 Also another thing i forgot too mention is that when you are in Rift walk you are not able too pick up the Data mass during Mobile defense missions, yet loki is able too pick it up while invisible? Why cant limbo simply bring it too the other dimension with him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmeo Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 (edited) In terms of game mechanics: Ash with Smokescreen Loki with Invisibility Mesa with Shatter Shield Rhino with Iron Skin Trinity with Link/Blessing Valkyr with Hysteria Zephyr with Turbulence All the above give some form of pseudo invincibility, but they all can pick up items. Why shouldn't Limbo? If you want to talk about logic, then Valkyr would be too angry to pick up stuff and Zephyr's turbulence would blow the items away. If Limbo can send entire areas to the rift, he sure can send some items to the rift for him to pick up. Edit: No idea why p i s s e d was censored. Changed to angry. Edited December 31, 2014 by Cosmeo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)SteampunkJester Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 (edited) This is exactly why I advocate for DE to allow Limbo to pick stuff up in the rift (or at least when he uses Cataclysm). I love using the guy, but jeez if it doesn't get annoying having to wait several 10s of seconds to pick up some loot. Edited December 30, 2014 by (PS4)SteampunkJester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)garyitm Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Nope. The reason is because the loot simply doesn't exist in the rift dimension. Hence by being there, you can't pick it up. Although I'm not sure how things work when you kill an enemy in the rift dimension and (if) they drop stuff - is it considered in limbo? Now that said, I reckon it's a bug that cataclysm doesn't "banish" loot along with enemies, since they too are entities. Basically I'm suggesting that only cataclysm should be adjusted not only to make sense, but so that loot captured in the hole *can* be picked up by those inside. Banish and rift walk should be left alone, IMO. Although this post is relatively old. I must agree..Items should be attainable when under Cataclysm for sure. Its a huge annoyance that my ability penalizes a whole group because Limbo decided to use their ultimate ability. Otherwise, it feels like a bug and it discourages the player from ever using cataclysm due to the concern that it may handicap the group effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White_Lit_Peace Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Although this post is quite old and it's safe to assume that if DE found this to be something as a high priority they would have fixed it. That said, I enjoy creating builds for all the different warframes that have been released, especially the neglected warframes that most players deem unusable. However in this case Limbo, due to the reasons discussed, I find him unusable as previously deemed by so many players. If in the future DE does look at this post, please allow the limbo to at least obtain resource and mods. You can't deny that this is just a troll characteristic of this warframe and it should be fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Lorewalker1022 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 (edited) I refuse to use limbo. He is literally the only frame left that I have not gotten either through farming or through a direct purchase. I have seen the potential and how useful his abilities can be but I have also seen too many random banishments of myself and other teammates. For example yesterday I went into a defense mission and within the first few seconds of initiating the first wave I was banished. We hadn't even gotten the game started and I don't know the other player at all so it couldn't have been something personal (or maybe it was, but I just don't remember lol). In fact there was 2 limbos in that game and they decided to banish myself and the other player for most of the entire rounds. It was unbearable so I left after the first 5 waves.Anyways because of this singular troll-able ability I refuse to get or play Limbo. Because I hate getting trolled and to be perfectly honest I know myself very well and I know I can get pretty heated some times myself and I might decide to troll somebody as well lol...so it's like a preventive measure. I am literally preventing myself from being able to do something I highly dislike. it's almost like me going to the casinos. I only bring cash. When I'm out I'm out lol. No Plastic anymore. Prevent myself from doing stupid -! S#&$. lol. Edited May 7, 2015 by (XB1)Lorewalker1022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treido Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 (edited) Nope. The reason is because the loot simply doesn't exist in the rift dimension. Hence by being there, you can't pick it up. Although I'm not sure how things work when you kill an enemy in the rift dimension and (if) they drop stuff - is it considered in limbo? Now that said, I reckon it's a bug that cataclysm doesn't "banish" loot along with enemies, since they too are entities. Basically I'm suggesting that only cataclysm should be adjusted not only to make sense, but so that loot captured in the hole *can* be picked up by those inside. Banish and rift walk should be left alone, IMO. They drop and you can't pick... #DE_Logic Basically, thats my main issue with Limbo (and the rift surge being 90% of time useless), since i agree he is immensely powerful on defenses (try to combo, gmag + mesa + limbo + whatever = pod unscratched, seriously) but the fact that i run a duration build and, me and my team cannot pickup things inside Cata (and this pretty much screw every other player inside it as well), it cripples the potential of the Limbo. Basically, for me, thats a (if not the most) powerful troll skill where it is right now (even more if you run duration + full range... it's a bubble of like 70m) without allowing the team to pickup. I agree with DE's decision of not making data masses being able to be carried to cata, since it would trivialize everything (also, not a big issue to run to the thing and pop cata using NT, just saying), also, if you don't agreed with my statement, think for a second, Loki can carry the data mass while invisible, but he sucks at solo def missions. Same for Valkyr and every other frame that has some kind of "pseudo-invulnerability". But again, DE should fix (yep,"fix", because for me using their own "logic", this is a bug) the fact that we cannot pickup things inside cata, seriously... TL;DR: DE has to change the "unable to pickup look inside cata", and i agree with him being unable to pickup data mass. Edited May 7, 2015 by Treido Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S7ORM Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 I agree that you should be able to pick up ammo and mods in cataclysm -- they should be inside the Rift dimension as well. Energy and Health can stay outside because energy is void magic, and health looks like the energy balls so we can assume it's void magic too. And void magic says it doesn't require logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehbah Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Hilarious that people are trying to use in-universe logic, in Warframe of all games, to argue against gameplay improvements. Since when is the logic in this game consistent in any way? If you don't like the proposed change, argue why it would be bad for the gameplay. Not because "it makes sense since you're in the void". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewell Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Even though this was neco bumped, I agree with the premise. Let people pick items up in the rift dimension. I'd use Limbo if this change went in. As it is, it's very frustrating to play as or with a Limbo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodhoundje Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) Bump, Limbo is my favorite warframe currently, but the inability to pick up items while under cataclysm is just stupid. Besides that. If you do a excavation mission with your teammates, they cant power the excavator as long as you keep it under cataclysm. The powercores will be dropped on the floor cause of it. And even if the ball is very small but the excavator is still under the effects from cataclysm. It will bug up, the powercore gets consumed by the excavator, but no percentage is added cause somehow all the power is absorbed into the void..yay \o/. whenever I do an excavation mission with other people, They have to ask me to turn off cataclysm for a moment to drop in a powercore, and then recast it again. This is frustrating for both parties. So please listen to the above suggestions and make it so that items can get transported into the void through cataclysm. My teammates should be able to at least power up an excavator while under cataclysm.... Edited May 11, 2015 by Bloodhoundje Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manub Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Mmmh i don think so After all this is a pretty good tradeoff, be invincible but you can t get what s dropping in the real world At least for the 1st 2 abilities, now cataclysm is another matter, they should change it so that stuff that drops/ is already present in the cataclysm zone would be pickable by those in the ability area, as it is in the rift already. The power cells of excavations & datamasses also shouldn t be automatically dropped when we enter the area/are rifted, doesn t make any sense as we keep our weapons in the rift & they aren t anymore part of us as datamasses/power cells are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)CoolD2108 Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Nope. The reason is because the loot simply doesn't exist in the rift dimension. Hence by being there, you can't pick it up. Although I'm not sure how things work when you kill an enemy in the rift dimension and (if) they drop stuff - is it considered in limbo? Now that said, I reckon it's a bug that cataclysm doesn't "banish" loot along with enemies, since they too are entities. Basically I'm suggesting that only cataclysm should be adjusted not only to make sense, but so that loot captured in the hole *can* be picked up by those inside. Banish and rift walk should be left alone, IMO. No bug, lazy developers. It even kinda makes sense that loot doesn't get banished, ya know, since the banishing expires with theyr dead. What doesn't make sense AT ALL is that loot ->inside a constantly banished sphere, would @(*()$ drop into reality. Evrything inside the sphere belongs to the rift and should be use and collectable and evrything that falls into reality should still be a target for banishing seperately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weezedog Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 FYI, there is a delay from when you enter the cataclysm to when you drop your power core. So if you copter into the cata fast enough, you can still charge the extractor if you hit it before you drop the power core, also depends on the size of the cataclysm, if they are running over 100% range it's going to be difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)LionsFire37 Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Last time i played Limbo my teamates told me to play a "straight frame" because "limbo so gay" since they couldn't grab loot while inside cataclysm. I didn't even troll them with banish (even if i was highly tempted at one point), i literaly just cataclysmed the cryopod in defense mission and they went on telling me to kill myself IRL just because i played an unpopular warframe. Aaaah, the internet... If any frame is gay, it would be the Volt (not critcizing the frame or anything, he just seems like he would be homosexual), but Limbo is probably Bi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)LionsFire37 Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Not being able to pick up drops is a way of forcing you out of the rift so you don't just stay immortal for the entire game. I could stay in a survival mission for hours single player if I didn't have to exit the rift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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