Aggh Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) Instantly lost you. Maybe you should look up some conclave videos and see actually how much skill it takes, or better yet, go into Europa conclave and fight a few pros and see how much skill it takes. Said every person who wasted an inordinate amount of time in a poorly balanced mess of a game ever. Next you'll tell me that instagib takes skill. Edited February 18, 2015 by Aggh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bibliothekar Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) Instantly lost you. Well, he has a point. It only requires skill when you adhere yourself to those "Gentlemen's rules of Conclave". If you don't, you can abuse cheap tactics that just need quicker reflexes to win. Edited February 18, 2015 by Bibliothekar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)JrJester00 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Regarding the R5's, how about looking into the market cost of actually purchasing R5's in packs that are reasonable for players to obtain? This is win win for players and DE to make $! Required to rank 1 R10 MOD 528 R5's ~30171 plat for 528 rare cores. rng dependent. So "only" $1,400 dollars if you buy 4300 plat packs. (you also would get around 377 bronze+226 silver) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)im-a-MAN-MAN-MAN Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I want to point out that that rakta has 90 impact not puncture or are you changing it to 90 puncture instead of the impact cause that would be better than the impact crit chance and dmg could use a little bit more of a buff cause I like the gun I just feel like it should be more powerful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raniu Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 So with that in mind, what is your opinion on the changes to R5 core rewards? Are there other changes that you would like to see made? Yep. Add those rewards to archwing interception so players actually play them and are rewarded for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibikiGanaha Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Need to be able to shoot through the Shadows of the Damned. As it is now, Nekros is the worst troll frame, worse than loki switch teleporters, valkyr pullers, or limbos putting cataclysm over drops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel_KP Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 More things like this please! It's a quick and easy way to give feedback which I love! Thanks DE! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakshal Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Said every person who wasted an inordinate amount of time in a poorly balanced mess of a game ever. Next you'll tell me that instagib takes skill. It does since it requires aim, something that a lot of players lack. Well, he has a point. It only requires skill when you adhere yourself to those "Gentlemen's rules of Conclave". If you don't, you can abuse cheap tactics that just need quicker reflexes to win. Basically every pro goes by the rules of conclave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoodie Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 So far, 40 people are saying that daggers are more powerful than the other melee weapons wut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggh Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 It does since it requires aim, something that a lot of players lack. 1-3 shot body kills = requires aim, huh? Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c.BOLTSON Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Friendly fire would be a great addition, however it WILL be abused by some players and as such I think if you ever do want to add it in, please have it in like a test mode or only one type of game mode and pre-warn players going into the battle.That being said it could have interesting affects on gameplay. Especially if close melee attacks do friendly fire. I could also see it actually being just a pain in the &#! though now that I think about it.... hummm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bibliothekar Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Basically every pro goes by the rules of conclave. Sounds like "no true Scotsman" to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Physicx- Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 If before the changes to T4 surv and r5 cores was hard to max R10 mods now is worse... I agree with the changes, but drop chance is still low compared to before... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feyangol Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) 1-3 shot body kills = requires aim, huh? Lol. Well, the numbers of how much shots it takes to kill someone, does not say anything about the aim-difficulty. Basicly you are trying to hit a high-speed-flying-player from a long distance faster than he is able to shoot at you, while you are flying. This requires huge aim and skill :P . You need to be fast, you need to have good and fast aim, you need to be very attentive, you need to have map control, you need good empathy. I'm pretty sure that some of the good conclave players would destroy you with nearly every weapon they take, no matter what weapon you take or which cheap tricks you use. And no, I do not consider myself as one of this godlike conclave players :P . Edited February 19, 2015 by Feyangol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motorfirebox Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Basically every pro goes by the rules of conclave. So there's a gentleman's agreement to not use all the broken stuff. Why not fix all the broken stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggh Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) Well, the numbers of how much shots it takes to kill someone, does not say anything about the aim-difficulty. Basicly you are trying to hit a high-speed-flying-player from a long distance faster than he is able to shoot at you, while you are flying. This requires huge aim and skill :P . You need to be fast, you need to have good and fast aim, you need to be very attentive, you need to have map control, you need good empathy. I'm pretty sure that some of the good conclave players would destroy you with nearly every weapon they take, no matter what weapon you take or which cheap tricks you use. And no, I do not consider myself as one of this godlike conclave players :P . The number of hits required and the area that you need to aim at are the biggest determinants in aim difficulty. Target speed isn't a huge deal with warframe's spammable low ttk hit scan weapons and relatively predictable movement paths. Edited February 19, 2015 by Aggh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feyangol Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 The numbers and the area that you need to aim are the biggest determinants in aim difficulty. Target speed isn't a huge deal with warframe's spammable low ttk hit scan weapons and relatively predictable movement paths. Try to spam your weapons, you will hit nothing. I did it long time ago, it was a bad idea. And did you actually tried to hit this guys in conclave? You will see that the speed is a huge deal, if the person knows how to use it. Remember, not only the enemy has a huge speed, you have to run with a similar speed - while you are aiming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggh Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Try to spam your weapons, you will hit nothing. I did it long time ago, it was a bad idea. And did you actually tried to hit this guys in conclave? You will see that the speed is a huge deal, if the person knows how to use it. Remember, not only the enemy has a huge speed, you have to run with a similar speed - while you are aiming. You seem to think that this is special to warframe. Tribes and quake did this ages ago with projectile weapons and longer ttks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feyangol Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) You seem to think that this is special to warframe. Tribes and quake did this ages ago with projectile weapons and longer ttks. I looked some videos on youtube and I have to say: The distances in warframe are bigger, the gameplay is as fast as in Conclave. -> It is harder to hit here someone than there. Also this guys seem to spam there weapons a lot ... normally 1 conclave match is decided after precise 5-10 shots. Also, I have nothing against a longer ttk. But with the current shield recharge, this isn't possible. They recharge after a few seconds and can keep you for very long time alive. Increase the health and lower the shields, than we can talk about a longer ttk warframe pvp. I just disagree with you in another point: it takes skill to be good at conclave. Edited February 19, 2015 by Feyangol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggh Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 I looked some videos on youtube and I have to say: The distances in warframe are bigger, the gameplay is as fast as in Conclave. -> It is harder to hit here someone than there. Also this guys seem to spam there weapons a lot ... normally 1 conclave match is decided after precise 5-10 shots. Also, I have nothing against a longer ttk. But with the current shield recharge, this isn't possible. They recharge after a few seconds and can keep you for very long time alive. Increase the health and lower the shields, than we can talk about a longer ttk warframe pvp. I just disagree with you in another point: it takes skill to be good at conclave. You think the distance in warframe- is bigger than tribes? Lol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feyangol Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) You think the distance in warframe- is bigger than tribes? Lol? Well, I searched only for quake ... Now when I found tribes I have to say that the distances there are bigger, but the gameplay slower... Still, this guys seem to spam everything what they have xD . Edited February 19, 2015 by Feyangol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggh Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Well, I searched only for quake ... Now when I found tribes I have to say that the distances there are bigger, but the gameplay slower... Still, this guys seem to spam everything what they have xD . You had too... Search for quake? I don't want to live in this world any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feyangol Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 You had too... Search for quake? I don't want to live in this world any more. That's your problem, not mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrsrkr Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 R5 cores: This was a good start, but a bit more can be done to increase the flow, or at least decrease the need for the flow. How about making them incentives to complete the starchart? Nekros is good. I thought he was good before the changes, and now he's even better! No complaints here. Friendly fire, however, is an all around bad idea. Imagine the amount of trolls that would come in just to kill an entire team and leave! Also, as a Penta user, I would kill most of my teammates by mistake a LOT. The fast pace of the game, the viability and use of melee.... the list goes on and on as to why this is a bad idea. And don't even get me started on abilities. Daggers on the whole aren't very useful in the game, as they are simply shorter ranged swords in my opinion. However, the ability to strike many times as seen with Fang Prime and Gnashing Pyara can somewhat compensate for this. The only real problem I have with daggers is their lack of utility. Why would they have LESS finishing damage if they are stealth weapons? It doesn't make any sense. I've never been to a conclave before, but if interesting changes are made I might check it out later! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM10 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 I believe that friendly fire should only be allowed in Dark Sector Conflicts, due to the fact that many players simply choose weapons like the Flux Rifle, Gammacor, and the Phage because they DON'T have to release the fire button, if friendly fire was allowed it would at least make PVP more enjoyable because you would have to be more careful in order to avoid killing your own teammates. I realize this may catch some flak for just being posted however I am sure there are people who at least see some merit if this was implemented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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