(PSN)CoolD2108 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 (edited) Go do a raid with 8 mags and tell me how it goes. Gimme a corpus focused raid and i SOLO that S#&$. That's the difference. Edited September 22, 2015 by (PS4)CoolD2108 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kolos1001 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Gimme a corpus focused raid and i SOLO that S#&$. That's the difference. So it's OP because it's good against 1 faction and completely useless against the majority of enemies? Why are you even upset at all? It's a co-op game. I seriously cannot understand how people can be this ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boltwin Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 So it's OP because it's good against 1 faction and completely useless against the majority of enemies? Why are you even upset at all? It's a co-op game. I seriously cannot understand how people can be this ignorant. Just because it's a co-op game doesn't mean it doesn't need balance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisRestall Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Seriously? Mag's sh*ttons of nerfs isn't enough? Well I don't know what to say, Mag is corpus bane and that's her sole specialty, yet people still cry over it? Community never fails to amaze me when it comes to these stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rawr1254 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I vote for the next thing to be nerfed to be "nerf this/that threads". +1 If you agree Lol. jk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boltwin Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Seriously? Mag's sh*ttons of nerfs isn't enough? Well I don't know what to say, Mag is corpus bane and that's her sole specialty, yet people still cry over it? Community never fails to amaze me when it comes to these stuff. Greedy pull nerf= S#&$tons of nerf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisRestall Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Greedy pull nerf= S#&$tons of nerf? Just how new are you to this game? If you played the very first version of Mag when she still had that 600 fixed damage armor ignore pull, then we'll talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
low1991 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Amazed that this thread isn't locked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)CoolD2108 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 So it's OP because it's good against 1 faction and completely useless against the majority of enemies? Why are you even upset at all? It's a co-op game. I seriously cannot understand how people can be this ignorant. Against one fraction, dealing ae to any fraction, working without a numeric limit of any sort. Seriously? Mag's sh*ttons of nerfs isn't enough? Well I don't know what to say, Mag is corpus bane and that's her sole specialty, yet people still cry over it? Community never fails to amaze me when it comes to these stuff. And that's supposed to be reason to ignore the still present one most overpowered ability in the game? I'm in for a rework any day but i'm definitly not gonna ignore SP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kolos1001 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Against one fraction, dealing ae to any fraction, working without a numeric limit of any sort. And that's supposed to be reason to ignore the still present one most overpowered ability in the game? I'm in for a rework any day but i'm definitly not gonna ignore SP. You're either bad or a troll. Either way I hope this fail thread is closed soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)CoolD2108 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 (edited) You're either bad or a troll. Either way I hope this fail thread is closed soon.Said the loki who defends mags overpowered ability.I know such havens, bugs and mechanics are nice to abuse but they have no place in a game that aims for balance. ....in fact not even in a game that doesn't... name one game that has both, numerical and percentual damage represented in theyr damage ranks...SP is just straight bs. Edited September 22, 2015 by (PS4)CoolD2108 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightlol Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 (edited) How has this thread not been locked yet, the toxicity and venom in it are insane. Those calling for a rework of mag, that's fine she could use one. But do not single out a frame that is already, unused by a majority of the players for 1 ability just because you are angry at leader board kills. The only real way to fix this is a complete overhaul rework if that wont happen leave her ability alone. Edited September 22, 2015 by knightlol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-N7-Leonhart Posted September 22, 2015 Author Share Posted September 22, 2015 The argument "But it's only OP against corpus" does not hold. How about we have frames that can blow up armor and infested flesh respectively up to lvl 9999? That would be balanced, because they are only good against something, right? /sarcasm How has this thread not been locked yet, the toxicity and venom in it are insane. Those calling for a rework of mag, that's fine she could use one. But do not single out a frame that is already, unused by a majority of the players for 1 ability just because you are angry at leader board kills. The only real way to fix this is a complete overhaul rework if that wont happen leave her ability alone. It looks to me that only the ones that oppose the idea bring the toxicity. How about they bring their ideas for rework in a bit more peaceful manner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightlol Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 The argument currently does hold until a full rework is in the works removing one of the few things that makes her usable would be completely asinine. It is like saying we know its broken, instead of fixing it we will just break it more and kill it off. it doesn't work to call for a nerf on 1 ability when its one of the 2 saving graces it has. And no you have been quite toxic as well so please dont do the whole its only the other side thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)C0gnitive 0n3 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 The fact that this thread isn't closed yet leads me to believe that DE is, at one point or another, going to take notice - test it out for themselves and in 2-4 weeks time, there will be talk on a Devstream about a SP nerf or, complete, Mag "rework". I don't care how many times you can defend it, at the end of the day, this entire thread was over how someone couldn't climb the Leaderboards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)CoolD2108 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 (edited) How has this thread not been locked yet, the toxicity and venom in it are insane. Those calling for a rework of mag, that's fine she could use one. But do not single out a frame that is already, unused by a majority of the players for 1 ability just because you are angry at leader board kills. The only real way to fix this is a complete overhaul rework if that wont happen leave her ability alone.Toxicity is a interresting take...litteraly evryone beein toxic against SP has been recommending a rework or massive buff to her overall kit what has, up to this point, been ignored just to defend SP.How is asking for balance toxic to her or wf? Isn't SP, litteraly the only damage ability that ignores lvls as ae ability, toxic to the game? Edited September 22, 2015 by (PS4)CoolD2108 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolarDwagon Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Toxicity is a interresting take...litteraly evryone beein toxic against SP has been recommending a rework or massive buff to her overall kit what has, up to this point, beein ignored just to defend SP. How is asking for balance toxic to her or wf? Isn't SP, litteraly the only damage ability that ignores lvls as ae ability, toxic to the game? No, it isn't. THe problem is not SP. THe problem is bad spawn logic that is abusable with bots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)CoolD2108 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 No, it isn't. THe problem is not SP. THe problem is bad spawn logic that is abusable with bots. She has no numerical boundarys in a game where evry single other choice has. How is it not?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolarDwagon Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 She has no numerical boundarys in a game where evry single other choice has. How is it not?! Because the game has content with no true numerical boundaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)CoolD2108 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 (edited) Because the game has content with no true numerical boundaries.Except the means of evry single other frame, weapon, sentinel...And then thers SP that simply ignores the set boundarys on your side.. Edited September 22, 2015 by (PS4)CoolD2108 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolarDwagon Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Except the means of evry single other frame, weapon, sentinel... And then thers SP that simply ignores the set boundarys on your side.. And this is honestly a huge problem. I've said it earlier in this thread and I'll say it again. Shield Polarise is not a problem. Maximised Shield Polarise with every [Corrupted] mod in the game maxed is a slight problem. Spawning logic and variety that allows for infinite botting is the real problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
optyk Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 The argument "But it's only OP against corpus" does not hold. How about we have frames that can blow up armor and infested flesh respectively up to lvl 9999? That would be balanced, because they are only good against something, right? /sarcasm It looks to me that only the ones that oppose the idea bring the toxicity. How about they bring their ideas for rework in a bit more peaceful manner? Thats exactly how its supposed to work when you're good at one thing -not as exaggerated as you implied tho. With your argument, you would be calling up Wizards of The Coast and telling them to nerf the Paladin in Dungeons & Dragons because of the bonus with Smite Evil and Turn Un-Dead. "Hey, all the Paladins are doing is hanging out in Crypts and killing un-dead! OP WTF NERF!" But please, tell me how thats different because reasons. You lack gaming experience because if you had any serious time with them, you wouldn't be moaning. Like multiple people have already said, this was nothing but a butt hurt post about Leaderboards that asked for a nerf to justify it all. Plain and simple. If others cant see that, thats their problem, but posts like these are very common in games where kills are tracked. DE is so worried about adding a kick ability in the game, because feelings. But yet they let the epeen meter stay in game and promote it. Yeah, thats all kinda of common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightlol Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Toxicity is a interresting take...litteraly evryone beein toxic against SP has been recommending a rework or massive buff to her overall kit what has, up to this point, been ignored just to defend SP. How is asking for balance toxic to her or wf? Isn't SP, litteraly the only damage ability that ignores lvls as ae ability, toxic to the game? Toxic as in how players are treating each other and being rude etc. We aren't saying dont balance we are saying balance once a rework has been properly imposed. With out the rework you have literally made the frame useless congratz you have ruined players time, and investments they have made to the frame with out giving anything back. No, it isn't. THe problem is not SP. THe problem is bad spawn logic that is abusable with bots. ^agreed, The fact that this thread isn't closed yet leads me to believe that DE is, at one point or another, going to take notice - test it out for themselves and in 2-4 weeks time, there will be talk on a Devstream about a SP nerf or, complete, Mag "rework". I don't care how many times you can defend it, at the end of the day, this entire thread was over how someone couldn't climb the Leaderboards. Seriously the only reason this thread exists is because some #$&(% wants to *@##$ about leader boards. Now im not saying Mag doesnt need a rework it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)CoolD2108 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 (edited) And this is honestly a huge problem. I've said it earlier in this thread and I'll say it again. Shield Polarise is not a problem. Maximised Shield Polarise with every [Corrupted] mod in the game maxed is a slight problem. Spawning logic and variety that allows for infinite botting is the real problem. Honestly, i agree to your logic. Wf is missing evrything, be it classes (including a propper aggro system), enemy types to support them or even clear boundarys on endgame content. But mag is just in her own little leage with SP on the given setup.It is how it is. And it is just BROKEN how it is. There are clear examples for your take, named mesa and prenerf excalibur. These dominate(d) with sheer range up to the endgame content but they had a definitive falloff that's just missing in this case. I mean put something that drains 100% of a source and deals up to 700% of said source in any other game, let this source be present in at least 50% of the content... it wouldn't last a week without breaking the game. But it's ok in wf?... Edited September 22, 2015 by (PS4)CoolD2108 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightlol Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Honestly, i agree to your logic. Wf is missing evrything, be it classes (including a propper aggro system), enemy types to support them or even clear boundarys on endgame content. But mag is just in her own little leage with SP on the given setup. It most definitly wouldn't be (at least) THAT o.p. on a different setup but it is how it is. And it is just BROKEN how it is. Your right her scaling is a bit OP, however she doesnt have any thing else going for her. Stop moaning about her 1 useable skill being OP and wait for a full rework, why would you make a frame useless for a time being until it gets a rework somewhere down the lane. Let her have her one power it only scales in Corpus right now, well thats an important thing. How much time do players actually spend on corpus missions etc, you are being irrational. Until there is a proper fix dont break it more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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