Kontrollo Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) Note: PVP Feedback This is technically not feedback, but I'm posting it here as a reference, so people in this subforum can lead an informed discussion on the melee damage changes. I know this would usually go to Players helping Players, but I'd be glad if the moderators could let it stay here where it is relevant. Also, if you guys want to provide feedback, there's already a thread for that. Note that I don't own every single melee weapon, but most of them should be listed. ╔══════════════════╤═════════════════════╤═════════════╤═══════╦═╦════════════════════╤═════════════╤═══════╤════════╗║ │ I/P/S Patch 17.3 │ │ Total ║ ║ I/P/S Patch 17.4.5 │ │ Total │ Change ║╠══════════════════╪══════╤══════╤═══════╪═════════════╪═══════╣ ╠══════╤══════╤══════╪═════════════╪═══════╪════════╣║ Ack & Brunt │ 4 │ 4 │ 32 │ │ 40 ║ ║ 4 │ 4 │ 32 │ │ 40 │ 0.0% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Amphis │ │ │ │ │ ║ ║ 36.6 │ 7.8 │ 7.8 │ │ 52.2 │ ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Anku │ 6.7 │ 35.8 │ 2.2 │ │ 44.7 ║ ║ 6.7 │ 35.8 │ 2.2 │ │ 44.7 │ 0.0% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Bo │ 49.5 │ 5.5 │ 0 │ │ 55 ║ ║ 49.5 │ 5.5 │ 0 │ │ 55 │ 0.0% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Bo Prime │ 50.6 │ 5.6 │ 0 │ │ 56.2 ║ ║ 50.6 │ 5.6 │ 0 │ │ 56.2 │ 0.0% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Boltace │ 3.8 │ 30.6 │ 3.8 │ │ 38.2 ║ ║ 3.1 │ 25.2 │ 3.1 │ │ 31.4 │ -17.8% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Ceramic Dagger │ 2.1 │ 18.9 │ 0 │ │ 21 ║ ║ 2.1 │ 18.9 │ 0 │ │ 21 │ 0.0% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Cronus │ 16.3 │ 8.1 │ 29.8 │ │ 54.2 ║ ║ 13.6 │ 6.8 │ 25 │ │ 45.4 │ -16.2% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Dakra Prime │ 5 │ 5 │ 40.3 │ │ 50.3 ║ ║ 4.4 │ 4.4 │ 35.5 │ │ 44.3 │ -11.9% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Dark Dagger │ 0 │ 0 │ 0 │ Radi.: 38.5 │ 38.5 ║ ║ 0 │ 0 │ 0 │ Radi.: 38.5 │ 38.5 │ 0.0% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Dark Sword │ 0 │ 0 │ 0 │ Radi.: 77.7 │ 77.7 ║ ║ 0 │ 0 │ 0 │ Radi.: 55.5 │ 55.5 │ -28.6% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Dex Dakra │ 4.9 │ 4.9 │ 39 │ │ 48.8 ║ ║ 3.3 │ 3.3 │ 26 │ │ 32.6 │ -33.2% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Dragon Nikana │ 2.6 │ 5.3 │ 44.8 │ │ 52.7 ║ ║ 2.1 │ 4.2 │ 35.4 │ │ 41.7 │ -20.9% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Dual Heat Swords │ 4.1 │ 4.1 │ 18.9 │ │ 27.1 ║ ║ 4.6 │ 4.6 │ 21.4 │ │ 30.6 │ 12.9% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Dual Raza │ 4.8 │ 14.4 │ 28.8 │ │ 48 ║ ║ 2.7 │ 8.2 │ 16.4 │ │ 27.3 │ -43.1% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Dual Skana │ 7.2 │ 7.2 │ 33.6 │ │ 48 ║ ║ 4.8 │ 4.8 │ 22.4 │ │ 32 │ -33.3% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Ether Reaper │ 7 │ 7 │ 32.7 │ │ 46.7 ║ ║ 7 │ 7 │ 32.7 │ │ 46.7 │ 0.0% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Ether Sword │ 7.5 │ 7.5 │ 35 │ │ 50 ║ ║ 6.7 │ 6.7 │ 31.1 │ │ 44.5 │ -11.0% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Fang │ 3.6 │ 16.8 │ 3.6 │ │ 24 ║ ║ 3.6 │ 16.8 │ 3.6 │ │ 24 │ 0.0% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Fang Prime │ 2.4 │ 22 │ 0 │ │ 24.4 ║ ║ 2.4 │ 22 │ 0 │ │ 24.4 │ 0.0% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Fragor │ 84.5 │ 18.1 │ 18.1 │ │ 120.7 ║ ║ 47.5 │ 10.2 │ 10.2 │ │ 67.9 │ -43.7% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Furax │ 36.8 │ 7.9 │ 7.9 │ │ 52.6 ║ ║ 36.8 │ 7.9 │ 7.9 │ │ 52.6 │ 0.0% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Galatine │ 2.8 │ 2.8 │ 106.9 │ │ 112.5 ║ ║ 1.4 │ 1.4 │ 54.6 │ │ 57.4 │ -49.0% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Glaive │ 6.7 │ 6.7 │ 31.1 │ │ 44.5 ║ ║ 6.7 │ 6.7 │ 31.1 │ │ 44.5 │ 0.0% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Glaive Prime │ 5.3 │ 5.3 │ 24.5 │ │ 35.1 ║ ║ 5.3 │ 5.3 │ 24.5 │ │ 35.1 │ 0.0% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Gram │ 17.3 │ 17.3 │ 80.5 │ │ 115.1 ║ ║ 9.3 │ 9.3 │ 43.4 │ │ 62 │ -46.1% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Hate │ 7 │ 7 │ 32.8 │ │ 46.8 ║ ║ 7 │ 7 │ 32.8 │ │ 46.8 │ 0.0% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Heat Dagger │ 1.1 │ 18 │ 3.4 │ │ 22.5 ║ ║ 1.1 │ 18 │ 3.4 │ │ 22.5 │ 0.0% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Heat Sword │ 5.7 │ 5.7 │ 45.8 │ │ 57.2 ║ ║ 4.6 │ 4.6 │ 37 │ │ 46.2 │ -19.2% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Jat Kittag │ 78 │ 14.6 │ 4.9 │ │ 97.5 ║ ║ 43.7 │ 8.2 │ 2.7 │ │ 54.6 │ -44.0% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Jaw Sword approx │ 4.0 │ 11.0 │ 40.0 │ │ 55.0 ║ ║ 2.3 │ 9.2 │ 34.6 │ │ 46.1 │ -16.2% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Karyst │ 0 │ 0 │ 0 │ Toxin: 7.5 │ 7.5 ║ ║ 0 │ 0 │ 0 │ Toxin: 7.5 │ 7.5 │ 0.0% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Kestrel │ 5.3 │ 1.1 │ 1.1 │ │ 7.5 ║ ║ 5.3 │ 1.1 │ 1.1 │ │ 7.5 │ 0.0% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Kogake │ 19.6 │ 4.2 │ 4.2 │ │ 28 ║ ║ 19.6 │ 4.2 │ 4.2 │ │ 28 │ 0.0% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Kronen │ 4.2 │ 4.2 │ 33.8 │ │ 42.2 ║ ║ 3.6 │ 3.6 │ 28.6 │ │ 35.8 │ -15.2% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Magistar │ 96.6 │ 18.1 │ 6 │ │ 120.7 ║ ║ 54.4 │ 10.2 │ 3.4 │ │ 68 │ -43.7% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Mire │ 5.8 │ 5.8 │ 27 │ │ 38.6 ║ ║ 5.5 │ 5.5 │ 25.7 │ │ 36.7 │ -4.9% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ MK1-Bo │ 44.5 │ 5 │ 0 │ │ 49.5 ║ ║ 48.6 │ 5.4 │ 0 │ │ 54 │ 9.1% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ MK1-Furax │ 31.5 │ 6.8 │ 6.7 │ │ 45 ║ ║ 31.5 │ 6.8 │ 6.7 │ │ 45 │ 0.0% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Nikana │ 2.9 │ 5.8 │ 49.7 │ │ 58.4 ║ ║ 2.2 │ 4.4 │ 37.5 │ │ 44.1 │ -24.5% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Ninkondi │ │ │ │ │ ║ ║ 0 │ 0 │ 0 │ Elec.: 31.5 │ 31.5 │ ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Pangolin Sword │ 2.8 │ 8.3 │ 44.4 │ │ 55.5 ║ ║ 2.3 │ 6.9 │ 37 │ │ 46.2 │ -16.8% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Plasma Sword │ 0 │ 0 │ 0 │ Elec.: 42.0 │ 42 ║ ║ 0 │ 0 │ 0 │ Elec.: 35.0 │ 35 │ -16.7% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Prisma Skana │ 7.3 │ 7.3 │ 34.3 │ │ 48.9 ║ ║ 6.7 │ 6.7 │ 31.1 │ │ 44.5 │ -9.0% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Reaper Prime │ 7.1 │ 7.1 │ 33.2 │ │ 47.4 ║ ║ 7.1 │ 7.1 │ 33.2 │ │ 47.4 │ 0.0% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Ripkas │ 2.8 │ 5.5 │ 46.8 │ │ 55.1 ║ ║ 2.8 │ 5.5 │ 46.8 │ │ 55.1 │ 0.0% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Scindo │ 11.9 │ 11.9 │ 95.2 │ │ 119 ║ ║ 6.4 │ 6.4 │ 51.2 │ │ 64 │ -46.2% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Scindo Prime │ 11.7 │ 11.7 │ 93.6 │ │ 117 ║ ║ 6 │ 6 │ 47.8 │ │ 59.8 │ -48.9% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Sheev │ 1.2 │ 1.2 │ 22.3 │ │ 24.7 ║ ║ 1.2 │ 1.2 │ 22.3 │ │ 24.7 │ 0.0% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Silva & Aegis │ 0 │ 0 │ 0 │ Heat: 33.3 │ 33.3 ║ ║ 0 │ 0 │ 0 │ Heat: 17.5 │ 17.5 │ -47.4% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Skana │ 9.2 │ 9.2 │ 42.9 │ │ 61.3 ║ ║ 7.1 │ 7.1 │ 33.1 │ │ 47.3 │ -22.8% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Tipedo │ │ │ │ │ ║ ║ 5 │ 5 │ 40 │ │ 50 │ ║╚══════════════════╧══════╧══════╧═══════╧═════════════╧═══════╩═╩══════╧══════╧══════╧═════════════╧═══════╧════════╝ Edit: minor reformat for better fit Edit 2: removed incorrect Jaw Sword 17.3 values Edit 3: added approximate value for Jaw Sword in 17.3 Edited September 24, 2015 by Kontrollo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elele Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Thanks for this info! Looks like all the popular weapons (and their families) got a nerf, while those really unpopular ones (e.g. Ripkas, Fang) remain untouched. DE probably don't have data on how they perform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pythadragon Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) Could you please reformat that as a .csv or upload it as a spreadsheet so that we may more easily manipulate that data? Thanks! Edited September 24, 2015 by Pythadragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kontrollo Posted September 24, 2015 Author Share Posted September 24, 2015 Could you please reformat that as a .csv or upload it as a spreadsheet so that we may more easily manipulate that data? Thanks! I actually wrote it down in a CSV format, same as when I did for Marrt's hits-to-kill table. I hope using pastebin for this as well is ok? Here you go: http://pastebin.com/6yjiZjag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyranitar Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Oh... Silva and Aegis nerfed. Saw this coming but well, still a little sad to depart with the bugger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nighttide77 Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Thanks tons Kontrollo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeyciKon Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Nice list, thanks. DE did a nice job here, no more senseless E spam, too bad some actual good melee players had to suffer from this(i only knew 1 so far tho) Btw, i believe you have the jaw sword values wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HermlT Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 ║ Jat Kittag │ 78 │ 14.6 │ 4.9 │ │ 97.5 ║ ║ 43.7 │ 8.2 │ 2.7 │ │ 54.6 │ -44.0% ║╟──────────────────┼──────┼──────┼───────┼─────────────┼───────╣ ╠──────┼──────┼──────┼─────────────┼───────┼────────╢║ Jaw Sword │ 78 │ 14.6 │ 4.9 │ │ 97.5 ║ ║ 2.3 │ 9.2 │ 34.6 │ │ 46.1 │ -52.7% ║ jaw sword had different damage values before the nerf, which are not identical to the jat kittag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavlo555 Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Plasma sword did not earn such a nerf srsly ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feyangol Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 DE seems to like staffs ... I don't mind ^^ . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewHorrigan Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Someone's very dedicated to the data. Have a thumbs-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kontrollo Posted September 24, 2015 Author Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) Btw, i believe you have the jaw sword values wrong jaw sword had different damage values before the nerf, which are not identical to the jat kittag. You're right, it was a Slash-based weapon before as well. Looks like that slipped past me when I created the original CSV, so I'm afraid I can't correct it anymore. But iirc, it was very similar to the Cronus/Pangolin Sword in total damage (~55), as it has the same attack speed of 0.917. Gonna remove the values from 17.3 so it won't cause any confusion. Anyway, thanks for the heads-up! @others: You're welcome, hope it's useful. Edited September 24, 2015 by Kontrollo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alethkar Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Thank you for this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HermlT Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 You're right, it was a Slash-based weapon before as well. Looks like that slipped past me when I created the original CSV, so I'm afraid I can't correct it anymore. But iirc, it was very similar to the Cronus/Pangolin Sword in total damage (~55), as it has the same attack speed of 0.917. Gonna remove the values from 17.3 so it won't cause any confusion. Anyway, thanks for the heads-up! @others: You're welcome, hope it's useful. if you want to add in an aproximate values for the jaw sword i think it was I-4, S-40, P-11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingTaro Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Nice list! Although some of the changes here don't make much sense to me. Well, things may clear up once the charge attacks are here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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