Guardsman Synthesis Entry Findings

[Cleesus]

I think you know the truth though~ o 3o

Lmao I'm just posting theories like everyone else bro

[Mak_Gohae]

Whether you want to assume they created infested in full(As would be suggested given the nanotechnolgy, its not a naturally occurring thing), its pretty implied that they used infested as a weapon in the Old War. and this is bluntly stated in the old J3 Golem asssination,

 

 

So the general idea that DE has in mind is that Orokin used infested against the Sentients, one way or another. In either case, the proposition is not based on mere assumption.

 

That has been retcon. They totally retcon the Infested story and made it so they just reappeared.

 

Im more interested in the Tenno releasing them to cause chaos.

Thats so super evil.

Maybe thats why the Infested keep saying," Why do you defile us?" Or something like that.

Back then we were probably evil friends together.

The "Lotus" probably convinced them, too. And now they are confused that we are attacking them.

 

"Lotus" is so evil.

[SilentMobius]

You just want so bad to not be wrong, and you don't even bother to read properly. 

 

Man, and here was I hoping you would refrain from falling into your usual routine of being insufferable. It's times like these when I really miss an ignore feature on this forum, because some people just can be trusted to keep it in their pants.

 

You just want so bad to not be wrong, and you don't even bother to read properly. 

 

Project much? No I read and understood you quite well thank you. I know you find it difficult to grasp when people find you... unconvincing but yes I read what  you said and no, you are not forming a coherent argument IMHO, so lets agree to disagree: you don't think I can't read and I don't think you can form a coherent thought without rambling and insulting people.

 

Regardless of your blathering about irrelevancies, this:

 

"Deep within lurks a creature created by the Orokin to battle the Sentients during the old War"

 

Says nothing about the infestation actually fighting the Sentients and nothing in our primary sources mentions that happening either, hence this:

 

 pretty implied that they used infested as a weapon in the Old War. and this is bluntly stated in the old J3 Golem asssination

 

Is just plain false, it's not stated anywhere that the infested were used, sorry.

Edited October 29, 2015 by SilentMobius

[RpTheHotrod]

Perhaps she is one of the Queens?

[UrielColtan]

That has been retcon. They totally retcon the Infested story and made it so they just reappeared.

Im more interested in the Tenno releasing them to cause chaos.

Thats so super evil.

Maybe thats why the Infested keep saying," Why do you defile us?" Or something like that.

Back then we were probably evil friends together.

The "Lotus" probably convinced them, too. And now they are confused that we are attacking them.

"Lotus" is so evil.

No there is no such retcon about infested "just showing up", thats just deaperate denial. And in every topic you constantly get facts wrong merely to push this evil Lotus agenda you have an obsession for. Let it go.

[UrielColtan]

Man, and here was I hoping you would refrain from falling into your usual routine of being insufferable. It's times like these when I really miss an ignore feature on this forum, because some people just can be trusted to keep it in their pants.

Project much? No I read and understood you quite well thank you. I know you find it difficult to grasp when people find you... unconvincing but yes I read what you said and no, you are not forming a coherent argument IMHO, so lets agree to disagree: you don't think I can't read and I don't think you can form a coherent thought without rambling and insulting people.

Regardless of your blathering about irrelevancies, this:

Says nothing about the infestation actually fighting the Sentients and nothing in our primary sources mentions that happening either, hence this:

Is just plain false, it's not stated anywhere that the infested were used, sorry.

Yes if only we had an ignore function for any info we don't like. Does being wrong hurt you that much?

Answer me this and we can settle this issue right now. Were infested weapons created to be used against the sentients in the Old War or not?

Then after we settle on that, give your own ideas for why Orokin would possibly do that, as that and the former, are ultimately the relevant idea, not whether they actually did deploy the infested against Sentients or not. The guy you were originally responding to was hypothesizing, not confirming, let alone declaring that Infested did indeed absorb infested. Remarks like "may have" or " Or at least trying to" should have made that obvious. This was ultimately about speculating reason Orokin would use infested against Sentients, whether they were actually deployed on them, is ultimately inconsequential to this basic point.

Edited October 31, 2015 by UrielColtan

[Cleesus]

Lets go ahead and leave the unnecessary arguments out of this thread. You can get your ideas across without them. If you have a problem with another user then ignore them.

[Zarozian]

Lmao I'm just posting theories like everyone else bro

Nuh you know the truth and you are just pretending you don't know! >;(

 

That's why I am gonna take down everything you say you agree with as fact! >;(

 

But the infestation is a virus too isn't it, not just the actual "troops"?

The Orokin could have unleashed the actual nana spores against the sentients, not mutated their own soldiers to use as attackers.

When we think of infested we automatically picture chargers and crawlers etc but those are just the current manifestations, perverted Grineer and corpus.

Orokin era infested could have looked very different. If the sentients were turning the Orokins own tech against them, the Orokin may have played them at their own game, releasing the virus itself against the sentients, turning their own bodies against them or at least trying to.

So this could be accepted as fact^ >;D

[Cleesus]

 

Nuh you know the truth and you are just pretending you don't know! >;(

 

That's why I am gonna take down everything you say you agree with as fact! >;(

 

So this could be accepted as fact^ >;D

 

Nope!

 

Im just a humble tenno posting theories

[Zarozian]

Nope!

 

Im just a humble tenno posting theories

A humble Tenno whose a part of dat design council and knows some juicy big secrets! >;D

[oick88]

A humble Tenno whose a part of dat design council and knows some juicy big secrets! >;D

2Spooky4Me

[Morec0]

A humble Tenno whose a part of dat design council and knows some juicy big secrets! >;D

 

I'm a part of the design Council.

 

We know nothing.

[321agemo]

Nope!

Im just a humble tenno posting theories

Lies, we know you're secretly steve!/joke

Anyway, how did we get on to the infested? I thought we were talking about the grineer....

Btw has anyone tried reverse translating veytok name? It might have a hint of who or what he was.

[Cleesus]

Lies, we know you're secretly steve!/joke

Anyway, how did we get on to the infested? I thought we were talking about the grineer....

Btw has anyone tried reverse translating veytok name? It might have a hint of who or what he was.

Well on page 3 or 4 i said i could see how the infested could tie into this and various discussions about it has taken place since. 

[oick88]

I'm a part of the design Council.

 

We know nothing.

All Hail our great overlords

[321agemo]

I'm a part of the design Council.

We know nothing.

Morec0 is part of the conspiracy

Well on page 3 or 4 i said i could see how the infested could tie into this and various discussions about it has taken place since.

Huh must have blanked it out.

Anyway i thought it was pretty much confirmed that the infested was a solution to fighting against the sentients.

But I'm also assuming it backfired also and the sentients were also able to control it (see stolen dream quest on Arcane Boiler)

Edited October 30, 2015 by 321agemo

[Mak_Gohae]

No there is no such retcon about infested "just showing up", thats just deaperate denial.

 

 

Before the new quest the Infested were just something that has been around forever.

Then with the quests it now states that they have not been seen since the old war.

Which doesnt make sense with all the Infested-tech and their numbers.

 

 

And in every topic you constantly get facts wrong merely to push this evil Lotus agenda you have an obsession for. Let it go.

 

Unlikely it's every topic.

And what "facts" have i gotten wrong?

[Zarozian]

I'm a part of the design Council.

 

We know nothing.

Lol goddamnit~ =/

 

Wanna do the new raid together? Maybe we can find more lore in there......

[Morec0]

I was making a wiki page for Bilsa when I had a thought:

 

What if Alarez's symmetry was off because he was a natural-born human? He wasn't genetically designed to be completley 100% perfect, he was a random roll of the dice like every normal person would be. We already know that there came a time when the Orokin survivors had to resort to regular reproduction, and with the long-lives of the Orokin it may be that the Bilsa we see in the Guardsman Synth's lived long enough to 

 

As for "but they had a lab!": but they might not have been able to access it. Without the proper genetic clearance they might have been able to access PARTS of the ship, but not ALL of it - Avantus DOES say that he needs Bilsa's Sectarus' status to gain access to the rest of the Executorial's systems. That actually attests to an interesting division of power throughout the Orokin's layers, which might attest to why the towers were needed for them to meet up and talk, and everything wasn't just lorded over by the Executors.

 

Also, figured out how Alarez had managed to get control of the Executorial ship: genetic descrambler scanning an Executor. He couldn't  risk having anyone living to outrank him, so he wouldn't have cloned Bilsa or any Executor he might have scanned. He admitted the Empire was gone, he was scrambling for power himself.

 

Also I think it's safe to say that an Enginus is the lowest of the true Orokin classes - "was he even an Enginus" not referring to "but I thought he was" but rather "where is this guy on the social status? is he even the lowest of it?". I'd guess the Enginus was JUST above Lorist, with Lorist being a "non-Orokin but still-given authority" class above Dax, who were just soldiers and bodyguards.

Edited October 30, 2015 by Morec0

[(XBOX)MK Ultra K11]

At last, the Guardsman synthesis is finished, and we have new lore to discuss! While we wait for a new target to appear, we can focus our efforts into reading and analyzing what we have right now. Here's a written transcript for those who can't make it into the game or load up pictures right now:

I had been stuck on this ship for so long I had almost forgotten what an Orokin of his station sounded like. I cherished each word he spoke."Bilsa," Alarez's voice pulsed out of my console, "we're here to help but I need to get this straight; you're being held hostage by a...""...by a Grineer," I whispered."A Grineer?" his skepticism was palpable."Yes, named Veytok.""He has a name?""Won't let me call him by anything else," I needed him to believe me but I could tell he was struggling. "The other Grineer are different, they're still slow but they listen to him and do exactly what he says. It must be a mutation-""Impossible," I could tell he didn't believe me. "Something like that would have been caught during production and destroyed, only the military Grineer are given-""Should have been caught but wasn't," I interrupted. "Look, the only reason I'm still alive is the genetic lockouts. I'm Sectarus class, this ship's Cephalon listens to me exclusively. The Grineer need me. Stars, you have no idea what it's like living with these-""Did you say Sectarus class?" now he was interested."...everything is filthy," I was rambling. "They manufacture filth. My robes have gone from yellow to black. I'm so tired, I don't even feel Orokin anymore.""Did you say you're Sectarus class?" his voice betrayed his impatience."Of course, aren't you?""We're going to initiate docking," he said.I looked out the viewscreen, the massive Executorial Frigate began to pivot toward our tiny Runner. Its marbelesque exterior was aglow in the light of the sun. How I missed those white hallways with their perfect golden trim, all busy with Orokin of high station discussing the business of the Empire. I belogned on that ship, it was my birthright."Stop," I exclaimed in a half-shout, half-whisper, "you don't understand, he's dangerous. We've been raiding other ships, gathering Grineer. Stars, I've done things." I could feel the emotion and fear in my voice, "I... I've helped him mass an army of sorts." "Right, a Grineer army," he paused for a moment then took an auidble breath, "Bilsa listen, whatever you've done, you had no choice. You know what's happening in the system, there's honor to be found in surviving," he asked."What do you mean; 'what's happening in the system'?" I asked."The Executors, the Council, they're all dead or missing, even most of the Sectarus is gone, you might be the last," His voice was cracked. "Do you understand? The system's falling apart but we can rebuild it."There was a thud outside the hull. Had they docked?"What about the Tenno?""The betrayers?" he asked. "Hopefully gone.""Wait," I asked, "are you saying your Executorial Frigate has no Sectarus class or Executor? How are you piloting?"He ignored my question, "We've docked. Hurry now, open the airlock doors so we can help you.""It's too dangerous," I said, "they're waiting for you. You'll be slaughtered.""Bilsa, you have no idea what's going on out here. Everything is in chaos. You're lucky we found you, nobody can be trusted but I can help. Open the airlock doors.""I can't, if I open the doors they'll kill you all. Just talk to me for a while. It's been so long.""Bilsa," his voice was getting louder. "The Orokin are gone. The infrastructure, the rails, none of it works, it's all locked out," was he actually berating me? "The infestation is everywhere, riots...""...but they'll kill you-"Alarez cut me off, "The Moon is gone.""You're not making sense Alarez," I said."Nothing makes sense anymore, " he shouted. "Open those doors!""Alarez?""I'm sorry, it's just that we don't have much time," he began to calm. "Where is Veytok now?" Asked Alarez."All the Grineer are in the docking bay, it's impassable..." I paused and thought for a second, "wait, there's a different way. The emergency hatch, you could extend a maintenance tunnel, come in thruogh the top of the ship.""And avoid the Grineer entirely. Now you're thinking like a Sectarus. Are you alone right now?" asked Alarez."Yes. Since they saw your ship, it's like I don't even exist. When you get here, I'll try to seal them in the airlock remotely. That should hold them for a while, hurry."I took one last look at the now grimey bridge that had become my home. I stepped onto the compact elevator that connected the Runner's decks. At the top level was a systems room used to access the ship's many segments. I looked up at the hatch on the ceiling when I heard the couplers whiz into place."Cephalon, execute now," I called out."Understood, Sectarus Bilsa," replied the ship's Cephalon.Moments later the hatch slid open. Dark eyes stared down at me from behind Dax's helmet mask. He said nothing.I addressed him, "Well met, Dax."Silently, the Dax scanned the room with his rifle before jumping down and taking position in front of me. In quick succession, three more guards fell in behind him. The guards were bloodied and battle scarred, their equipment mismatched and worn. Alarez followed, his symmetry was off and his eyes were dull, was he even Enginus class?"Thank the stars you're here." I reached out to greet him but the Dax grabbed me."Hold her down," said Alarez.He pulled out a device which I recognized instantly as a genetic descrambler, where did he get that from?"My apologies Bilsa, you seem sweet but I can't miss this chance," he threw a switch on the descrambler. "A sample of your genetic code is all I need for full access to the Executorial." He pointed the descrambler at me. "This won't hurt."My skin got instantly hot and then cooled again as waves of radiation passed through me, "Look at you all," I said, "you're just as tarnished as I. It's really over isn't it?""The Empire? I'm afraid so," he lowered the descrambler, "There.""Will you kill me then?" I asked, my eyes fixed on the floor."Can't have you outrank me," he sighed. "But first you'll command your Cephalon to cut off life support to the Grineer in the Runner's airlock."I looked up at him, "I can't do that."Alarez smiled, "Of course you can.""I wish I could but I already told the Cephalon to open the airlock. They're on your ship."Confusion washed over Alarez's face just as a drip of blood fell from the hatch above and splashed on the Dax's helmet. His eyes darted up just in time to see Veytok's massive frame fall upon him, driving a machete deep into the Dax's chest. With that, the doors opened behind me as more Grineer flooded the tiny room, the guardsmen stood no chance.Alarez, the only one left alive, stood frozen. "Bilsa, what's going on?""I warned you not to come," I said, "I told you they would kill you all."He was beside himself, "You're working with the Grineer?""Alarez, you were right, the systems is a mess and I can't trust anyone, but these Grineer and I, we've come to an understanding." I smiled as I got to my feet, "But please, will you talk to me for just a while longer? These Grineer are so dull. Where are you from? I don't recognize your-"Veytok grabbed Alarez and tore his throat open, his red splattering my robes."I told you I wanted him alive," I shouted."No trust," he said. His words sounded clearer every day. "We have the Frigate and the lab. Don't need him.""Do you always have to kill them before I can visit?" I said.Veytok grunted, "You are Grineer now, don't need visits."

The big things I can get from this entry is about Grineer cloning, and how the upper echelons of Orokin society functioned. The entry mentions two new classes of Orokin, Sectarus and Enginus, both with their own abilities and restrictions when it comes to doing things in the Orokin Empire. Sectarus class were able to operate ships and give commands to the ship Cephalons, and if there was no Sectarus or an Executor on board the ship could no longer be operated via a genetic lock.So, this would mean that cloning is a lot more prevalent in the Orokin society than I originally thought and is not limited to just mass-producing Grineer. It seems like if you wanted to be of certain class - an Executor, Sectarus and whatnot, you needed to have the right genetic makeup to do so. This could either mean that one was born into being a certain class of person further solidifying the idea of the Orokin being a very hierarchical society. It could also mean that genetic modifications were very commonplace in the Orokin society, and was part of the security measures in place to operate certain types of equipment.The other thing I take from this entry is the possibility of female Grineer actually having been taken from non-Grineer genetics and added into their gene pool, as shown by Sectarus Bilsa - a female joining up with Grineer and considered to be one. Her keen mind and the ability to operate Orokin vessels due of her genetic could be the reason why female Grineer are held in higher regard than male Grineer, through the traces of genes that were left from assimilating highly capable Orokin females into the Grineer gene pool.What do you think? Do share your own thoughts below!

Wait guys... Vaytok and Vay Hek. A little resemblance?

[Morec0]

Wait guys... Veytok and Vay Hek. A little resemblance?

 

ftfy

 

As well as the appearance of Vay appearing in many Grineer/Steel Meridian-related items. I've already speculated many times over that Veytok is some kind of legendary figure to the Grineer by now and that Vay Hek may be named/named himself in honor of him.

[(XBOX)MK Ultra K11]

ftfy

 

As well as the appearance of Vay appearing in many Grineer/Steel Meridian-related items. I've already speculated many times over that Veytok is some kind of legendary figure to the Grineer by now and that Vay Hek may be named/named himself in honor of him.

Yeah thats what I was thinking at first. Probably, becuase Grineer don't live very long.

[Morec0]

Yeah thats what I was thinking at first. Probably, becuase Grineer don't live very long.

 

Aye, the genetic degeneration their cloning's caused in the modern Grineer gets to them before too long, and even the Orokin Era-Grineer I can't imagine as having had the life expectancy as the Orokin. They probably lived something equivalent to the average modern human lifespan.

[(XBOX)MK Ultra K11]

Aye, the genetic degeneration their cloning's caused in the modern Grineer gets to them before too long, and even the Orokin Era-Grineer I can't imagine as having had the life expectancy as the Orokin. They probably lived something equivalent to the average modern human lifespan.

Yep, and thats not very long compared to even a corpus crewman(probably).

[Morec0]

Yep, and thats not very long compared to even a corpus crewman(probably).

 

I imagine the Corpus and regular colonists have roughly the same life expectancy (bar the whole "Grineer will kill you" thing) given they come from roughly the same genetic origins. Corpus probably have medical technology that can keep them alive longer, but purely from a genetic standpoint...