swihart91 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 the sayrn nerf is a straight up farming nerf. it slows down the speed at which you can run defense or the effectiveness of interceptions with her as your nuker frame. that is all this is trough and through. there is no longer farming a 20 wave defense in 10 minutes or less with her and a speed nova. do i think she got nerfed yes, is it to the extent everyone thinks no. but staying on topic this is strictly a farming nerf and nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsychedelicSnake Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Effort is the bane of the Warframe community Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armedpoop Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 No, the "Quality of Life change" to Pilfering Swarm was a "Straight up farming nerf". This is more indirect results than anything I think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AM-Bunny Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Yeah, if you have her as your nuker frame. This doesn't change anything overall because Excalibur was always better. So is Equinox with the right team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4G3NT_0R4NG3 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) And you're complaining that Warframe is taking steps away from being Cookie Clicker: Space Ninja Edition? It seems like the Saryn rework could do with some significant revision to the under-the-hood mechanics, but if you want Cookie Clicker, just play the real thing. Edited November 5, 2015 by 4G3NT_0R4NG3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xentia-Damascus Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I'm fine with it being a press 4 to win farm nerf. What I'm not fine with is they didn't address that Sayrn doesn't scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daldo Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Yep DE has been nerfing farming all year under the guise of "making frames more active" but whenever anyone tries to bring it up it gets buried under useless "l2p press 42win scrub" posts. Great job DE turning the community against itself #yearofquality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadPrime Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Whaa? U can still use some other frames like frost's 4, mesa, ash p, ember p and even equis does a lot with that whole range. Saryn is even more powerfull now. There was no reduction dmg nerf yet there was a dmg increase buff. She may not nuke it all in 1 second but she is still the one that does more damage with 4 in this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shifted Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Since the Ember buff I stopped using Saryn for low level semi-afk aoe anyway. Anything harder there's always Excal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freelancer27 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 You're still carrying guns capable of doing such a farm. Revamp just happened, deal with it. Saryn is actually more applicable to late game right now, as Viral will always proc when Lash/Spore combo is committed though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsychedelicSnake Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Yep DE has been nerfing farming all year under the guise of "making frames more active" but whenever anyone tries to bring it up it gets buried under useless "l2p press 42win scrub" posts. Great job DE turning the community against itself #yearofquality >implying the warframe community never argues with itself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swihart91 Posted November 5, 2015 Author Share Posted November 5, 2015 ok everyone is missing the point of i meant speed farming in this game as in lessening a bit of the grind you have with efficiency. look at draco and interceptions almost a year ago. de changed it because people were farming to well. and that is honestly the only reason they were changed at all. people found to well of an efficient way to farm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daldo Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) >implying the warframe community never argues with itself I realize we're all #*($%%@ but I swear every other thread for the past few months has been the exact same also they mentioned on the last stream that they're going to nerf Bladestorm so get ready for that coming up soon Edited November 5, 2015 by daldo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsychedelicSnake Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I realize we're all #*($%%@ but I swear every other thread for the past few months has been the exact same It's been that way for forever. Thing changes, people get upset, people adjust. Rinse and repeat. The Saryn changes are nothing new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfinitySinX Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) the sayrn nerf is a straight up farming nerf. it slows down the speed at which you can run defense or the effectiveness of interceptions with her as your nuker frame. that is all this is trough and through. there is no longer farming a 20 wave defense in 10 minutes or less with her and a speed nova. do i think she got nerfed yes, is it to the extent everyone thinks no. but staying on topic this is strictly a farming nerf and nothing else. Of course it is a farming nerf...and a Draco nerf. It was blatantly obvious they didnt want you to do Defense in 10 mins. Look at Mesa. I've really only seen her in Defense and now, I dont even see her. The going rate for void efficiency is 5 mins = 1 prime (survival) Capture is possibly the most efficient with most clears between 2-3mins per prime And now, Defense takes the cake for least efficient with 7mins-10mins per prime. Edited November 5, 2015 by InfinitySinX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taiiat Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 as my Avatar might suggest what boat i'm coming from - i'm laughing right now. i'm more confused as to why i lost Health than anything. i thought i was supposed to be a Health weighted, hearty Warframe. i don't see why Saryn shouldn't have 150 Health. especially if you want Saryn to be fairly close Range, as she's always been. sure, more Blocking. pretty situational though. might as well be general Damage Resistance because Saryn interfaces with Guns as well as Melee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_grimmy Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) duhhh, asked by the community, cause spam 4 to win is not good gamming quality. EDIT: Latelly the devs are working hard to "destroy" spam builds. They figured out that forcing continuaty on players makes the spam decrease, this because Fleeting Expertise begin all the spam problems, and now they are making duration mods even more mandatory then all others. - Notice it isnt just saryn. - Toggle ability frames have all been forced to use duration. - Rhino upcoming changes also hinted he will need more duration. etc Personally I dont like the way they are handling it, but something needs to be done I guess. If only they would include frame mods on the huge mod system rework, and everything might just work better. Edited November 5, 2015 by THE_grimmy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PainisDeWitt Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Booo hooo I can't play Draco with Saryn anymore Booo hooo Nerf Nerf Nerf DE You monsters.On a more serious note, please. Don't be paranoic. It was a change, a revamp, nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobermann92 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I've never used Saryn on Draco after the Ember Prime buff. I don't think that Saryn was mandatory on Draco and she is as good as was before. She miss her insta-nuke, but the damage is feels the same on Miasma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kai_Shiba Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 its ok white knights like you will always be there to suck it's di...i mean protect it, yeah...protect it. ok im sorry but really there are still forma bp's in t4 intercept rotation c. for f(*^s sake that is the most bs thing ever. damn us for ever finding an easier way to get something And that is how you get threads locked. Ignorance and being rude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kz.Prime Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) By the look of things, I'll probably won't be on the forums the day draco is nerfed lol . But then again, it's quite entertaining to read those threads ummmmm :/ Edited November 5, 2015 by Kz.Prime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJunior Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 >Calls me white knight >I make a thread about something I don't like every week u wot m8 You know what bothers me most about the WF community? You say anything that remotely defends an action DE makes you are instantly called "Lel hurrdurr whiteknight" Even if you say just as many negative things about DE. Stay classy WF forums. As for this thread? I.. Wow. Farming nerf? No. Press42win nerf? Yes. And that's a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swihart91 Posted November 5, 2015 Author Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) ok to all of you defending this please answer these for me honestly. wasnt draco nerfed for farming? weren't interceptions nerfed for farming? Weren't both mag and excal nerfed for draco farming? So sayrn becomes one of the new nuker frames on draco then she needs some QoL changes in the next few months? I'm not saying they are just getting rid of her as a frame they are nerfing how quickly she can get off massive damage to slow farming. they didnt wreck her too like they did with mag and excal back in the day but this is still a farming nerf Edited November 5, 2015 by swihart91 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PainisDeWitt Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 ok to all of you defending this please answer these for me honestly. wasnt draco nerfed for farming? weren't interceptions nerfed for farming? Weren't both mag and excal nerfed for draco farming? So sayrn becomes one of the new nuker frames on draco then she needs some QoL changes in the next few months? I'm not saying they are just getting rid of her as a frame they are nerfing how quickly she can get off massive damage to slow farming. they didnt wreck her too like they did with mag and excal back in the day but this is still a farming nerf Let's say for a moment that you're right; It was a farming nerf... Well if that's the case, I'M SO GLAD!!! You don't know how much I hate Draco and its meta. It's just annoying and I can't wait for starchart 3.0 to come. But really, people need to do some effort and actually play the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swihart91 Posted November 5, 2015 Author Share Posted November 5, 2015 You know what bothers me most about the WF community? You say anything that remotely defends an action DE makes you are instantly called "Lel hurrdurr whiteknight" Even if you say just as many negative things about DE. Stay classy WF forums. As for this thread? I.. Wow. Farming nerf? No. Press42win nerf? Yes. And that's a good thing. glad you just disregarded everything i said in this just to say i am for press 4 to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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