UrielColtan Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 (edited) I wouldn't say ruined, it just makes me personally care a whole lot less about their lore, to the point that I pretend that the moe thing in basement is just some ancient statue built into the orbiter centuries ago, that I have to offer affinity sacrifices at in order to unlock "not even my final form". Edited December 4, 2015 by UrielColtan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_OnePunchMan_ Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Nope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gelkor Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 If you'd read the codex literally none of it was surprising besides character customization. Kinda this. Not much came as a shocker, there were a few things I wasn't sure about, but honestly, the biggest surprise to me was when the blinding flash ended and then boom: character customization, and then the Focus system. All I could think was How long have they been secretly working on this?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)GbHaseo Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 I just keep thinking of Iron Man now tbh. He telepathically operates his suits, he fights battles from across space, he's got a little spaceship to interchange suits, his new suits are even somewhat alive made from the venom symbiote. It doesn't ruin it for me by far, as I love both, its just kinda weird now is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StabbyTentacles Posted December 4, 2015 Author Share Posted December 4, 2015 It seems as though our Warframes are actually Symbiotes, evidenced by your Warframe ripping a greatsword out of their gut in the quest. So in fact, your Warframes may actually have a personality of their own, which is merged with the Operator's own personality while they're operating it. Take note of the fact that the Operators, for all this time, have believed that they were actually the Warframes themselves. Symbiotes, yeah I guess that's where the warframes stand now. Still can’t help but look at this as a pretty significant step down from the first dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrielColtan Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 The Codexes and Simaris and other quest/mission lines have conflicting info, so there was enough to debate against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpl_Facehugger Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Kinda this. Not much came as a shocker, there were a few things I wasn't sure about, but honestly, the biggest surprise to me was when the blinding flash ended and then boom: character customization, and then the Focus system. All I could think was How long have they been secretly working on this?! The only surprise I felt was that the tenno was still a kid instead of a former kid who'd grown up over the course of the old war. Cryostasis, I guess. I'm kind of hoping for some adult body and voice pack in the future tho. You want my money, DE? Give me that. Have Darvo contact us about bootleg grineer growth accelerators or something. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayzurea Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 The thing is after your warframe gotten stabbed he kinda unstabbed himself. DE is going to pull this: After the tenno using the souless warframes for so long they slowly become more human. Realizing their own existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrielColtan Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 (edited) The thing is after your warframe gotten stabbed he kinda unstabbed himself. DE is going to pull this: After the tenno using the souless warframes for so long they slowly become more human. Realizing their own existence. That would be a step in the right direction in fixing this trainwreck for me, though I would rather be person in a frame, like Hayden Tenno. Not these creepy cherub operators. Edited December 4, 2015 by UrielColtan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StabbyTentacles Posted December 4, 2015 Author Share Posted December 4, 2015 I also saw a theory that it was the Lotus who controlled the warframe at that moment. Or maybe the connection between the Tenno and warframe is more complicated than we think. Hope so. (Hope there's a 3rd dream lel.) That would be a step in the right direction in fixing this trainwreck for me, though I would rather be person in a frame, like Hayden Tenno. Yeah, give me the option to join him DE, then I'll shut my yapper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echowing Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 I liked the reveal, it was well done and foreshadowed heavily. They also did a good job of posing additional questions. We now know what the Tenno are, but what exactly are the Warframes? Are they alive? Are they sentient? We don't know, but we can speculate and wait for further story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IANOBW Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 The Tenno are really cringeworthy. After almost 3 years of mute badassery, I was a little stunned when confronted with my cheesy, kinda laid-back (even after near death) true self. My friend heard his Tenno say "That was a close one" after breaking a corpus container. Why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StabbyTentacles Posted December 4, 2015 Author Share Posted December 4, 2015 The Tenno are really cringeworthy. After almost 3 years of mute badassery, I was a little stunned when confronted with my cheesy, kinda laid-back (even after near death) true self. My friend heard his Tenno say "That was a close one" after breaking a corpus container. Why. I laft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valiant Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 (edited) I don't think the WF universe was richer the way it was. It was actually rather lacking in my eyes. The guesswork the community was doing was becoming tiring and it gave me the impression DE weren't sure what direction they wanted to take and it seemed lazy. It was okay at first but eventually it wore thin, especially with the vague codex entries we received. To be honest, I feel a little more immersed now and feel it has a bit more of an identity now for me. I also feel slightly more involved and interested in the story. Edited December 4, 2015 by Naith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IANOBW Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 I laft I did too, but then my heart sank with how bad the Tenno dialogue is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leoguy Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 I've heard some people just had problems with us being kids- not alot of people can fit in that shoes easily, even with the fact that these kids are thousands of years old. The basic premise of this game encourage the sense that we are awesome space ninjas on a quest, so people like me took it more literal and think we are the awesome space ninjas. And to be honest, just because the game hinted from the beginning doesn't mean no one can raise a voice about the decision and execution of the lore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StabbyTentacles Posted December 4, 2015 Author Share Posted December 4, 2015 The thing is after your warframe gotten stabbed he kinda unstabbed himself. DE is going to pull this: After the tenno using the souless warframes for so long they slowly become more human. Realizing their own existence. Yeah, then once they become self aware they're all, screw this Ima do this for the ladies/gents/both (tick appropriate response) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IANOBW Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 I've heard some people just had problems with us being kids- not alot of people can fit in that shoes easily, even with the fact that these kids are thousands of years old. The basic premise of this game encourage the sense that we are awesome space ninjas on a quest, so people like me took it more literal and think we are the awesome space ninjas. And to be honest, just because the game hinted from the beginning doesn't mean no one can raise a voice about the decision and execution of the lore. I think it's less of the problem that we're children, but more the issue that we are extremely immature and look dumb as hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayzurea Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 That would be a step in the right direction in fixing this trainwreck for me, though I would rather be person in a frame, like Hayden Tenno. Not these creepy cherub operators. Well Saladv hinted towards something confusing for them once he open the warframe up. DE might go down that path where: Lotus: Commander of the Warframe/Tenno Army Tenno: Manager of the Warframes. Warframes: Husks that somehow found out their own existence. They might pull a Gundam Wing and every other Gundam in that time line. That even though the Warframes started out as husks but after a while the pilots' feelings and emotions rubbed off on to the Warframe and that is how it sort of is a husk but at the same time not a husk. Could do something like T virus morphed certain people into War machines but over time their soul and body ceased to exist but the Orokin found a way to control those useless husks and that was the Tenno. But after the Tenno interacting with the Warframe enough the old soul of the frame of previous person sort of "unmelted" and realized in reality they shouldn't give up the fight but continue it with the help of the Tenno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StabbyTentacles Posted December 4, 2015 Author Share Posted December 4, 2015 I've heard some people just had problems with us being kids- not alot of people can fit in that shoes easily, even with the fact that these kids are thousands of years old. The basic premise of this game encourage the sense that we are awesome space ninjas on a quest, so people like me took it more literal and think we are the awesome space ninjas. And to be honest, just because the game hinted from the beginning doesn't mean no one can raise a voice about the decision and execution of the lore. This man speaks the truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leoguy Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 It's been blatantly clear that we weren't actually in the frames since the tennotext error message that started popping up in U17.5. People literally predicted this in the threads where those were translated. It's been slightly less blatantly clear but still pretty clear that we weren't actually in the frames since the Limbo quest. It's been reasonably clear since the beginning that we weren't in the frames since ain't no way you're gonna fit a Rhino into a Nova frame, with the only alternative explanation being "well maybe there's a really buff Nova out there and DE just doesn't show it because that's way more work for their artists for little gain." Your argument towards that end has never been particularly satisfying in light of the other evidence we have. The quote is something I made up as a joke, it's not real. :p Evidence? Do tell, I would like to know more. And even if what you said are indeed correct. The representation of the warframe in the cutscene and consequentially the lore just isn't quite satisfying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leoguy Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Well Saladv hinted towards something confusing for them once he open the warframe up. DE might go down that path where: Lotus: Commander of the Warframe/Tenno Army Tenno: Manager of the Warframes. Warframes: Husks that somehow found out their own existence. They might pull a Gundam Wing and every other Gundam in that time line. That even though the Warframes started out as husks but after a while the pilots' feelings and emotions rubbed off on to the Warframe and that is how it sort of is a husk but at the same time not a husk. Could do something like T virus morphed certain people into War machines but over time their soul and body ceased to exist but the Orokin found a way to control those useless husks and that was the Tenno. But after the Tenno interacting with the Warframe enough the old soul of the frame of previous person sort of "unmelted" and realized in reality they shouldn't give up the fight but continue it with the help of the Tenno. Yes, I sceond that, and we can still keep the co-dependence part with the whole holy trinity thing (Lotus, Children, Warframe), but this time warframes have some more develeoped form of conscious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StabbyTentacles Posted December 4, 2015 Author Share Posted December 4, 2015 (edited) I think it's less of the problem that we're children, but more the issue that we are extremely immature and look dumb as hell. I laft. Edited December 4, 2015 by StabbyTentacles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmicblues Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 yes, but undermined more by how the devs seem to think rng and grind is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Generica Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 (edited) Somewhere out in the vastness of space, somewhere far far away from this plane of existence... ... The jimmies were rustled. Shhhhhhh. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Can you hear the rustling? Edited December 4, 2015 by AsCaLus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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