-Blaze- Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 sorties need to be restricted mastery rank 10+... Thats just cruel, casual players won't have a chance on it for a looooong time (maybe years, really...years for a game??)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMember Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Won't help... In last Sorte run my group had to do the last part with 3 people as our 4th, the MR16 Nova didn't know how to build the frame... Too much Draco. MR alone doesn't mean you have the experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
achromos Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Won't help... In last Sorte run my group had to do the last part with 3 people as our 4th, the MR16 Nova didn't know how to build the frame... Too much Draco. MR alone doesn't mean you have the experience. Definately. I've seen MR 10's ... 11's, ect. All go down multiple times to the same effects. Being honest, I'd rather it be restricted to a Conclave like-rating system but I've seen MR6's that have done better then MR 12's and being honest? Denying people just because they don't have above-average mod's or setups isn't fair. We need something that takes into account skill... but what would it be, and how would it work and be fair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodOfStorm Posted December 21, 2015 Author Share Posted December 21, 2015 Low gear team in sortie > is cruel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volume Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 gearscore > mr restriction not like it really affects me, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcedGames Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Plz do this i am tired of running missions just to hav mr4's join, die ,then abort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S0V3REiGN Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 There really is no fixing this, no game score of any kind is going to prevent players from doing stupid S#&$ in a sortie. Players with good gear would be welcome at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khazlol Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 i think a test would be better than a higher MR restriction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortCat Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 MR 4 is just too low, it needs to be higher, at least MR 8. In some missions, like Exterminate it doesn't bother at all, but in missions with high enemy density they just die like flies (as soon as Iron Skin or Hysteria runs of) and contribute very littly to the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henji Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 And now the truth is revealed, we won't have so many people complaining about the difficulty of Sorties anymore.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Ana_Nuann Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 MR has nothing to do with mods, proper builds or anything. I've been running complete builds since mr4. I never have and never will level or create anything I do not plan on using regularly. High MR doesn't mean a damn thing, other than that you are wasteful or indecisive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodOfStorm Posted December 21, 2015 Author Share Posted December 21, 2015 The problem is players using low gears vs enemys lvl 100 and 80 i use tonkor because is high damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebel Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Man if only DE added a way to recruit people before a mission and before said mission you could check what they were bringing and question them on their builds. You'd think they would have added that by now. On a serious note, anyone that actually cares about not wasting their time on sorties will use the recruit tab, plain and simple. Restricting things based off a grind number is pretty idiotic. That number doesn't account for anything meaningful at all besides them grinding mastery fodder, we need actual stats as opposed to a vague number that could be interpreted multiple ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucifer1 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 MR restrictions are horrid. You don't get MR for re-leveling forma-ed gear, thus a player who has 4 maxed frames, and a couple of sets of fully leveled and forma-ed weapons can have a low MR. Conversely a player who has leveled a lot of garbage just for the sake of leveling it may not be running with good gear at the moment even though he has a high MR. The MR system is designed to give you incentive to purchase lots of stuff, and or purchase extra inventory. It is designed as a marketing incentive, it does not give an accurate display of the experience or load out of a player. With a few adjustments the conclave rating could be used that way, however it is possible to have effective low CR builds atm. Still with some adjustments I think that would be a far better gauge, it would at least tell you how well the player was geared at the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Ana_Nuann Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 MR restrictions are horrid. You don't get MR for re-leveling forma-ed gear, thus a player who has 4 maxed frames, and a couple of sets of fully leveled and forma-ed weapons can have a low MR. Conversely a player who has leveled a lot of garbage just for the sake of leveling it may not be running with good gear at the moment even though he has a high MR. The MR system is designed to give you incentive to purchase lots of stuff, and or purchase extra inventory. It is designed as a marketing incentive, it does not give an accurate display of the experience or load out of a player. With a few adjustments the conclave rating could be used that way, however it is possible to have effective low CR builds atm. Still with some adjustments I think that would be a far better gauge, it would at least tell you how well the player was geared at the time Exactly. We need a proper gear evaluation system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodOfStorm Posted December 21, 2015 Author Share Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) Conclave restriction is best for all including to missions only bows and melee ... Edited December 21, 2015 by BloodOfStorm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodOfStorm Posted December 21, 2015 Author Share Posted December 21, 2015 More topics about sortie really need change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qynchou Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 lol. Players of MR11+ have a hard time on hieraco vs lv25-50 enemies and youre telling me lv60-100 sorties with custom rules is ok for MR4+? Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodOfStorm Posted December 21, 2015 Author Share Posted December 21, 2015 Non-sense people like MK1-paris vs enemy lvl 100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)SeneschalGrigori Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 indeed, the number of times ive started a sortie and one, or more, of the players are using bratons and die about every 30 seconds is beyond a joke, maybe not a mastery restriction, rather a conclave restriction so that your gear is going to pass a certain level of usefulness before your allowed to actually try, im all for letting people play the content but im also for not having to carry people or abort I could agree with a gear restriction, but MR is nothing more than time played. It is nearly like basing someones skill on CoD by looking at their prestige rank. Myself and a friend had no clue that in order to increase your MR you had to switch around various frames/weapons so were sitting at MR6 for months. We felt stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qynchou Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I could agree with a gear restriction, but MR is nothing more than time played. It is nearly like basing someones skill on CoD by looking at their prestige rank. Myself and a friend had no clue that in order to increase your MR you had to switch around various frames/weapons so were sitting at MR6 for months. We felt stupid. By that logic, a person who owns a bugatti and his drivers license for 1 week is the best driver on the planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)SeneschalGrigori Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) By that logic, a person who owns a bugatti and his drivers license for 1 week is the best driver on the planet. I don't know this game well enough to try to argue anything with how it handles it's "conclave" system but I'm assuming the more powerful your gear is it goes up correct? This would make it so that people that were geared for the missions could take it. (I'm not saying make the restriction something absurd so that it won't let you in unless you were near guaranteed to beat it) It's about being geared enough to at least stand a chance as to not waste anyones time. (IE: Like WoWs "gearscore". It's not letting you in the raid with a bunch of normal dungeon blues) Edited December 21, 2015 by (PS4)fahlynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S0V3REiGN Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Conclave rating is bad, each mod has its own rating and you can make a complete garbage build but since all the mods have a high ranking it will look like your character jacked up with a really high conclave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucifer1 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 At the moment there is no effective gear rating. Conclave rating could be, but would need to be adjusted. MR is definitely not, you can level a one frame and or weapon after another, not potato, or forma them at all and have a high MR and gear that is "meh"., Conversely you could have only the 4 free frames and a handful of weapons all maxed, potatoed and forma-ed multiple times, and have a low MR while completely outgunning your higher MR counterpart. Currently there is no reliable gauge for a person's loadout. If the purpose of a conclave rating is to balance pvp, then IF it was fixed and operating correctly it could be. MR on the other hand is purely a marketing gimmick to encourage one to purchase lots of items and inventory. It is a measure of the total quantity of gear you have ever leveled and not what you currently have or the quality of any of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SYL3NZR Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 people with their annecdotal evidence "even low MRs can be good!1111", so these low MRs can invest some work into the game before reaping all rewards for free, and lets be serious, the amount of "good low MRs" is abysmal compared to the bad ones (same for bad mr20s compared to good ones) many people have carefully invested tonnes of forma into frames and weapons, maxed all most mods so they are fully prepared for the "endgame", the very very vast majority of low MRs did not, theres a very clear relation between "high level players" and their "usefulness" (skill+equipment) in every game, warframe is no different MR 12 should be minimum for raids and sorties because thats where the "intended endgame weapons" are set at, thats achieveable in a very few weeks and guarantees you have invested time into the game and thus are a little more likely to be more better and more useful this is all so much more valid with the high amount of new players and warframe's increasing popularity, the amount of bads that ruined my missions, ruining pub games is ridiculously high - i cant trust anybody below mr 20 anymore really - and i dont want to anymore, too many times ive been disappointed, i expected people to at least carry their weight, bringing SOME common sense into a mission with almost adequate gear >> thats a rarity nowadays and IM NOT WILLING to put up with it anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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