OzoneSlayer Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, MrBiscuits said: Uhhh..... Fatal Teleport + Covert Lethality ? Nah cause daggers suck for actual combat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruffleTrouble Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Just now, Tesseract7777 said: Hammers have the best stealth multiplier in the game and are also good all around melee weapons when you aren't using the finisher gimmick. Like when you are still building up your combo counter and killing stuff normally, because you still can with a melee weapon that strong for some time with acolyte mods, which actually makes your Fatal Teleport attacks even stronger. Lots of reason to use hammers in a full melee build instead of just dagger + E gimmick. * Lethal Damage refers to the mod's ability to instantly kill enemies upon performing a finisher attack, regardless of their level or defenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzoneSlayer Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Just now, MrBiscuits said: * Lethal Damage refers to the mod's ability to instantly kill enemies upon performing a finisher attack, regardless of their level or defenses. They are garbage for anything except spamming finishers, which is slow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract7777 Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 (edited) 1 minute ago, MrBiscuits said: * Lethal Damage refers to the mod's ability to instantly kill enemies upon performing a finisher attack, regardless of their level or defenses. Did you purposefully misread my post? I am fully aware of what Covert Lethality does. Some people like to actually USE melee outside of just using gimmick + E, and with acolyte mods plus strong hammer weapons it can be viable in long T4 solo survivals. And it can still be good for stealth finishers at the same time because hammers have the highest stealth multipliers (yes barring a mod that causes lethal damage when equipped on daggers, which would otherwise have the lowest stealth multipliers in the game). We are all aware of how CL works, not everyone wants to do nothing but gimmick + E all game. Edited May 17, 2016 by Tesseract7777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsaTV-Twitch Posted May 17, 2016 Author Share Posted May 17, 2016 But the 2 rare items to build each part can i just buy them or must i do missions?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruffleTrouble Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Just now, OzoneSlayer said: They are garbage for anything except spamming finishers, which is slow you missed the part where he suggested a hammer with Fatal Teleport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pastaman1363 Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 1 minute ago, OzoneSlayer said: They are garbage for anything except spamming finishers, which is slow with covert lethality and ivara, T4S 5 hours is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzoneSlayer Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Just now, pastaman1363 said: with covert lethality and ivara, T4S 5 hours is possible. Until u run out of energy* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melos-mevim Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 *looks at that drop table and sees 2 things on t4d* Spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pastaman1363 Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Just now, OzoneSlayer said: Until u run out of energy* yeah so we use pads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonUnicornLV Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Just now, OzoneSlayer said: Until u run out of energy* With prowl build ? Probably never. Drain is 0.25/sec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruffleTrouble Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Just now, OzoneSlayer said: Until u run out of energy* you wont with the proper build and focus tree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract7777 Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 1 minute ago, MrBiscuits said: you missed the part where he suggested a hammer with Fatal Teleport A hammer makes somewhat more sense with Fatal Teleport than using a dagger with CL. With CL you are wasting the damage bonus from the Fatal Teleport mod because you are doing lethal damage anyways. And all you are basically doing is saving yourself an e press, which isn't even that helpful since you have to position yourself right when teleporting to certain enemies or the finisher won't work even with Fatal Teleport. Hammers make sense because they take the stealth multipliers from hammers along with the damage boost from Fatal Teleport to help non CL finisher damage scale farther. Using Fatal Teleport with CL is just qol, doesn't even make it better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurpgork Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 6 minutes ago, OzoneSlayer said: But that fragor is power creep at its finest. They went a little over the top. But at least I'll get my moneys worth I mean, it won't have Tempo Royale's insane multipliers, but I suppose that's not actually that much of a limit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambit23Z Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Just now, Melos-mevim said: *looks at that drop table and sees 2 things on t4d* Reveal hidden contents Better than t1 Mobile Defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzoneSlayer Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Just now, DemonUnicornLV said: With prowl build ? Probably never. Drain is 0.25/sec Just now, pastaman1363 said: yeah so we use pads Derail. I don't want to talk about ivara spamming finishers for 5 hrs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melos-mevim Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Just now, Rambit23Z said: Better than t1 Mobile Defense. forgot to mention they are both rot c though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruffleTrouble Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Just now, Tesseract7777 said: A hammer makes somewhat more sense with Fatal Teleport than using a dagger with CL. With CL you are wasting the damage bonus from the Fatal Teleport mod because you are doing lethal damage anyways. And all you are basically doing is saving yourself an e press, which isn't even that helpful since you have to position yourself right when teleporting to certain enemies or the finisher won't work even with Fatal Teleport. Hammers make sense because they take the stealth multipliers from hammers along with the damage boost from Fatal Teleport to help non CL finisher damage scale farther. Using Fatal Teleport with CL is just qol, doesn't even make it better. you always teleport behind them, however the augment is bugged if you teleport while sliding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzoneSlayer Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 1 minute ago, MrBiscuits said: you wont with the proper build and focus tree Zenurik doesn't work while prowling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambit23Z Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Just now, Melos-mevim said: forgot to mention they are both rot c though Still better than 95% chance for keys after 5 minutes of boredom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melos-mevim Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Just now, Rambit23Z said: Still better than 95% chance for keys after 5 minutes of boredom. yeah no its just 95% chance of garbage after 40 minutes of boredom : D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruffleTrouble Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 duration is needed for that build, meaning you pop a bubble to make you invisible and wait for your energy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzoneSlayer Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Just now, MrBiscuits said: duration is needed for that build, meaning you pop a bubble to make you invisible and wait for your energy D.E.R.A.I.L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myscho Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Well, looks like drop location are the same as Loki, Bo and Wyrm. T3 Survival C here i come :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruffleTrouble Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 1 minute ago, OzoneSlayer said: D.E.R.A.I.L but facts..they're all over the place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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