ShocK.- Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 (edited) Why is the point of having the dragon nikana in the game, or even the regular nikana? if you can buy the nikana prime with plat at any rank without mr xp requirements. I said mr 10 because the dragon nikana requires mr 8. I remember when I started playing i thought "i want to be mr 8 now so i can get that sickass nikana!!", now you can buy a better version with plat... Edited August 18, 2016 by ShocK.- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoSoldier1986 Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 1 minute ago, ShocK.- said: Why is the point of having the dragon nikana in the game, or even the regular nikana? if you can buy the nikana prime with plat at any rank without mr xp requirements. I said mr 10 because the dragon nikana requires mr 8. I remember when I started playing i thought "i want to be mr 8 now so i can get that sickass nikana!!", now you can buy a better version with plat... Yep Nikana Prime is a clear case of Power Creep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShocK.- Posted August 18, 2016 Author Share Posted August 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, ChaoSoldier1986 said: Yep Nikana Prime is a clear case of Power Creep maybe it will make sense when it gets vaulted :/ but anyway it should require some mr xp, even the boltor has mr 2 requirement. I say 10, 10 would be perfect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terror-Of-Death Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 6 minutes ago, ShocK.- said: maybe it will make sense when it gets vaulted :/ but anyway it should require some mr xp, even the boltor has mr 2 requirement. I say 10, 10 would be perfect But Prime weapons don't have MR requirements in general iirc. Why is the Nikana Prime such a special case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khaine62 Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Terror-Of-Death said: But Prime weapons don't have MR requirements in general iirc. Why is the Nikana Prime such a special case? Actually Fragor Prime which was on Prime Access with Vauban Prime has MR 7. Purchasing Prime Access simply allows one to bypass that. Nikana Prime is 0 though, for some reason. I think the point is to give Nikana Prime a real reason for being better than Dragon Nikana. Dragon Nikana has been in the game for while and is a fairly decent weapon that a lot new players (myself included) really wanted when we first saw it. It gives you goal to aspire for with that MR 8 prerequisite. Now, Nikana Prime was is a thing that is better than Dragon and due to it MR 0, anyone who does some trades or spends a few bucks, anyone can get it right from the start. That all kind of makes Dragon Nikana pointless in the grand scheme of things. Really, if DE is just going to make weapons that are better versions of others that are locked behind mastery, they should just drop Dragon Nikana's MR. Edited August 18, 2016 by Khaine62 Further reasoning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoisonHD Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Well, they do have them, they are just all very low >.> I think for the Soma P its Mr3? While the regular is 7 or 8? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnin Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Nothing new here... its like asking why you should earn rep for 2 months to get a telos boltor or why bother to farm mats and do stuff to get normal boltor when you can buy one? The same logic expands to running a boss 30 times to get a basic frame ... etc... some people like to play and earn stuff. Some people like to pay to win. With warframe, you can choose the path... I do a mix -- from time to time they let loose something that is just too annoying to farm and I buy it (never regretted ivara purchase). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScytale Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, jonnin said: Nothing new here... its like asking why you should earn rep for 2 months to get a telos boltor or why bother to farm mats and do stuff to get normal boltor when you can buy one? The same logic expands to running a boss 30 times to get a basic frame ... etc... some people like to play and earn stuff. Some people like to pay to win. With warframe, you can choose the path... I do a mix -- from time to time they let loose something that is just too annoying to farm and I buy it (never regretted ivara purchase). It's not the point at all. Dragon Nikana - Powerful - Needs MR8 Nikana Prime - Even more powerful - MR0 And if we follow your reasoning, the "pay for convenience" would apply itself on the PA purchase, not the in-game trade. Edited August 18, 2016 by TheScytale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.corvon. Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 how about.. no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AurumandArgentum Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 I'm down, that is right OP and you can get it so easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horrorlasagna Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 I'm down with OP but i think more of the Prime Variants should be at a higher MR, since some Frames and Weapons are too easy to aquire and make a lower MR player choose the Prime version over the normal version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevrex97 Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 i think all MR requirments should be organized a bit better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainSlothbeard Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 I don't think a low MR person would even know how to get the Dragon Nikana legitimately in game, and especially not be able to farm for it given you need to complete star chart missions to get the segment for your ship to use relics (also you would need to farm for relics). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terror-Of-Death Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 I'm not quite sure what the problem is here... Maybe it's not logical, but isn't it better to get better weapons earlier/easier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamescell Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 If the Nikana Prime should be MR 10, then based on its stats, the Galatine Prime should be MR 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Prime Pedestal Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Just now, Terror-Of-Death said: I'm not quite sure what the problem is here... Maybe it's not logical, but isn't it better to get better weapons earlier/easier? It's that the Nikana Prime is a direct upgrade of its predecessor yet has a lower MR requirement. It isn't logical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terror-Of-Death Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 (edited) 1 minute ago, (XB1)AnnoyedHaddock said: It's that the Nikana Prime is a direct upgrade of its predecessor yet has a lower MR requirement. It isn't logical. It doesn't have to be. No one loses anything from being able to get better weapons earlier. Edited August 18, 2016 by Terror-Of-Death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NativeKiller Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 (edited) WELCOME TO CAPITALISM! Edited August 18, 2016 by NativeKiller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khaine62 Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Terror-Of-Death said: I'm not quite sure what the problem is here... Maybe it's not logical, but isn't it better to get better weapons earlier/easier? I think you hit it: It's not logical. Nikana Prime is simply better than Dragon in most ways and yet it's easier to obtain due to the fact it's MR 0. There's no reason to get Dragon Nikana as things stand right now. Edited August 18, 2016 by Khaine62 grammar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Prime Pedestal Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Just now, Terror-Of-Death said: It doesn't have to be. No your'e right it doesn't have to be, it just isn't logical that to use a lesser weapon you have to be a higher level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terror-Of-Death Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Just now, Khaine62 said: I think you hit it: It's not logical. Nikana Prime is simply better than Dragon in most ways and yet it's easier to obtain due to the fact it's MR 0. There's not reason to get Dragon Nikana as things stand right now. Just now, (XB1)AnnoyedHaddock said: No your'e right it doesn't have to be, it just isn't logical that to use a lesser weapon you have to be a higher level. There is; Mastery. I got my Nikana Prime first before the Dragon and normal variants, I still got them later for Mastery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Prime Pedestal Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Just now, Terror-Of-Death said: There is; Mastery. I got my Nikana Prime first before the Dragon and normal variants, I still got them later for Mastery. It's nothing to do with levelling for mastery. For example, would you learn to fly in a jumbo jet? No, you'd learn in a small 2 seater then progress. It's the same principal, logically you would practice/learn how to use the weaker before moving onto the stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltage Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 True Mastery is within the Machete, only true memes make such setups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terror-Of-Death Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 1 minute ago, (XB1)AnnoyedHaddock said: It's nothing to do with levelling for mastery. For example, would you learn to fly in a jumbo jet? No, you'd learn in a small 2 seater then progress. It's the same principal, logically you would practice/learn how to use the weaker before moving onto the stronger. That's cool and all, but why should real life logic apply to everything in video games? Progression is a thing, yes, but normally a total newbie wouldn't be able to get his hands on a Nikana Prime. If they got plats from buying plats from DE, I'd say they've earned it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armedpoop Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 1 hour ago, ChaoSoldier1986 said: Yep Nikana Prime is a clear case of Power Creep Why is that a problem exactly? Should it have been weaker than Vanilla Nikana? Honestly just screaming "power creep" never made sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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