Sortie Rewards

[Echorion]

I've been doing them for like weeks now, and all they ever drop is Lenses, endo and the ayatan. In almost a month now I've seen like one riven mod.

 

Please just re-visit the drop tables for the sortie, or have the chance of a riven drop or better rewards chance increase for every consecutive sortie they complete. That would get more people doing them more often, get people to log on more; and would give us better rewards and stop it with the lenses after lenses after lenses. 

 

Thanks.

[(XBOX)Senor Twix]

I agree. RNG on this game can really suck at times, and drop rates also really suck in this game. (looking at you Vengeful Revenant and Sovereign Outcast).

[(PSN)XxDarkyanxX]

I thought that they already made it so that the more you get a reward the less likely you would receive it a second time in a row and on and on.
However here I am with almost 7 ayatan in a row, having one booster at some point inbetween. That cycle has been going for almost a month now, my sculpture chest is loaded with Anasa Sculptures.

I'm probably the only one, but I'd almost rather see "2000 Endo" instead of "Anasa Sculpture" in my reward feed. My collector sense are telling me to keep my 20+ Anasa sculpture in my inventory while I know that they're completely useless.

[NeithanDiniem]

This is countered by people that are getting Rivens left and right. One in the discord I am in got Rivens 8 days in a row. Its just RNG. The odds of getting one are perfectly fine, so changing that wouldn't solve your problem much at all. Instead of DE forcing a reward to get better and better odds, I feel it would be better if DE gave 2 rolls for rewards and the player chose the one they wanted, much like the relic system and the Riven re-roll is now.

[Marine027]

RNG is RNG, if they make something like tokens, people will end up getting all they want and never do sorties again becasue the rest not interessts them.

Also maybe you sohuld re-visit the forum, we not need another of those Sortie RNG Threads. Search funciton exists for such.

And like everythign else in game if you not have the patients for random drops to give you what you want, you buy it with plat form the matket ot from other playes, overpriced i know but only way around it so far.

Or make it how i do, simply not give any about it, life with it what you get.

Rivens i see as simple bonus to weapons especialy already OP ones like Tonkor and Simulor, why do they even have such?

Some get like me whould be happy about Endo for once and not another Riven, while others only get Endo and complain also.

It just exists and it gives rewards, if you need them or not, your choice, but it is a reward you not payed for and is free, so no one should complain.

Its like buying sometihng from a store and soemthign is with it as a gift and you complain you wanted something else also.

[Kuestenjung]

53 minutes ago, Echorion said:

I've been doing them for like weeks now, and all they ever drop is Lenses, endo and the ayatan. In almost a month now I've seen like one riven mod.

 

Please just re-visit the drop tables for the sortie, or have the chance of a riven drop or better rewards chance increase for every consecutive sortie they complete. That would get more people doing them more often, get people to log on more; and would give us better rewards and stop it with the lenses after lenses after lenses. 

 

Thanks.

How so? You are doing them for Riven and you are stil doing them for Rivens because you got only 1. Giving you a better chance, and the chance is already relative high, would make you stop playing them earlier.

I for one allways cry when I get a potatoe BP, so I am against your proposed change.

[Echorion]

41 minutes ago, NeithanDiniem said:

This is countered by people that are getting Rivens left and right. One in the discord I am in got Rivens 8 days in a row. Its just RNG. The odds of getting one are perfectly fine, so changing that wouldn't solve your problem much at all. Instead of DE forcing a reward to get better and better odds, I feel it would be better if DE gave 2 rolls for rewards and the player chose the one they wanted, much like the relic system and the Riven re-roll is now.

Exactly, so why not smooth it out to be less furstrating and more rewarding for everyone actually putting in the effort to do them, especially for those doing them every day.

[Echorion]

8 minutes ago, Kuestenjung said:

How so? You are doing them for Riven and you are stil doing them for Rivens because you got only 1. Giving you a better chance, and the chance is already relative high, would make you stop playing them earlier.

I for one allways cry when I get a potatoe BP, so I am against your proposed change.

The chance is not relatively high, I get lenses and ayatans like every time pretty much.

If doing them 5 days in a row increased the chances of what people are doing them for like Rivens or other things it would get people doing them even more; I know friends that already gave up on them entirely because they got sick of never getting anything besides lenses.

There are many other ways to solve this problem too, this was just one quick method. You could have a chosen reward after so many completed (Of course not the best things but let you choose if you want a riven or ayatan or w/e of the smaller rewards if you have done like 10 in a row or w/e arbitrary number is used). 

Anything besides how it is now would be an improvement. 

[Echorion]

30 minutes ago, Marine027 said:

RNG is RNG, if they make something like tokens, people will end up getting all they want and never do sorties again becasue the rest not interessts them.

Also maybe you sohuld re-visit the forum, we not need another of those Sortie RNG Threads. Search funciton exists for such.

And like everythign else in game if you not have the patients for random drops to give you what you want, you buy it with plat form the matket ot from other playes, overpriced i know but only way around it so far.

Or make it how i do, simply not give any about it, life with it what you get.

Rivens i see as simple bonus to weapons especialy already OP ones like Tonkor and Simulor, why do they even have such?

Some get like me whould be happy about Endo for once and not another Riven, while others only get Endo and complain also.

It just exists and it gives rewards, if you need them or not, your choice, but it is a reward you not payed for and is free, so no one should complain.

Its like buying sometihng from a store and soemthign is with it as a gift and you complain you wanted something else also.

I disagree with everything you just said, very much so. If you really want me to explain why I will; but I have a feeling if you start that post off being a little rude; it will escalate greatly if I start to argue with you.

If that mentality was that of DE I would probably stop playing the game entirely and never touch it again; thankfully it's not as I've seen from their previous decisions.

[Echorion]

1 hour ago, (Xbox One)Ginger Bruhv said:

I agree. RNG on this game can really suck at times, and drop rates also really suck in this game. (looking at you Vengeful Revenant and Sovereign Outcast).

A lot of the RNG elements have been annoying a lot of folks lately. RNG doesn't bother people too much usually, but once it starts feeling punishing instead of rewarding people start getting agitated. 

The folks above are confusing wanting more/better things, with just evening them out a bit more by some method so that you don't have people getting like 10 lenses in a row. That is a reasonable request.

Like if you get a certain reward in the sortie, the chances of getting that reward could go down a bit every time; not raising the chances of the better rewards necessarily. Just making it less frustrating and tedious for people putting in the effort every day, and feeling they never have anything to show for it.

[Marine027]

18 minutes ago, Echorion said:

I disagree with everything you just said, very much so. If you really want me to explain why I will; but I have a feeling if you start that post off being a little rude; it will escalate greatly if I start to argue with you.

If that mentality was that of DE I would probably stop playing the game entirely and never touch it again; thankfully it's not as I've seen from their previous decisions.

I am sorry if this sounded rude, but this are a opinion i sahred on this Thread, if oyu not like it, your own thing.

Just tell them then pelase how to improve droptables? Higher % chance? Even at 90% You could ahve the bad luck having 10% 10 times in a row.

Things like a token system whould break things also for people who see only the meta stuff and ignore the rest of the drops completly making Sorties for them over time worthless.

With RNG as bad it is at times it simply is somethign that, if you agree or not, keeps people playing in the hope of getting something valuable.

Its like gambling, that is all, people doing it hoping they get soemthing out of it, regardless how bad or how often it failed.

So please instead of making another 100 threads about this Sorite issue only complainign and tellign them to make it better, then enlighten peopel how it should improve without backdraws like people leaving by having all they want.

Updates are slow and need time, new content needs time, the game is RNG in every aspect.

Sorry if people leave beecause of that, they played the wrong game long enough.

DE does make soem thigns easeir atleast like increasing resource drops, highering some chances overall and yes Sortie do need a rework but then a reasonable rework who not just provides one side of players without making it useless over time.

I not try to attack you or offend you but guess waht, people get also tired of having to read the same kind of Threads each day becasue they cry about not getting what they wanted of the Sortie, i also not happy getting several Rivens you know, I need Endo and not jsut farm that like others because i find endless missions boring also.

I not complain and accpet it till i can reasonable make an advice to the system and see if tehy change it or not, this whole thread is no real feedback so far and jsut complaining and demanding DE to make it better.

If you take this offensive, your own problem and you are free to report me or something if you see it that way.

Besides, you indirectly already attacked me by saying answerign to my stuff becasue you not like my opinion whoudl start something.

I life with your opinion and you have to life with with mine but, your answer to me was only basicly not agreeing, calling me out.

So there you have my answer. Overall sotp making complains and provide actual feedback and ideas.

If DE not listens, no one forces you to stay. If they do, we all are lucky i guess..

[Echorion]

I didn't want to argue with you because you seem more intent on stirring the pot than actually discussing the issue; but since you insist on being rude so be it.

2 hours ago, Marine027 said:

RNG is RNG, if they make something like tokens, people will end up getting all they want and never do sorties again becasue the rest not interessts them.

No one asked for anything like that.

Also maybe you sohuld re-visit the forum, we not need another of those Sortie RNG Threads. Search funciton exists for such.

I did, there are plenty of them which indicates that I am not the only person a bit frustrated with how the current system works; there are numerous people asking for improvements to this problem all offering their unique take on it and their own ideas as to how it could be solved; as opposed to saying everything is fine when many people disagree.

And like everythign else in game if you not have the patients for random drops to give you what you want, you buy it with plat form the matket ot from other playes, overpriced i know but only way around it so far.

I have patience that is why I have been doing it, but you could have the patience to grind out a weapon that requires you kill 100 million bursa units or something, that wouldn't exactly make that a fair comparison for what is currently fine or not. So please don't try and imply it's the fault of a person's attributes and not something much more likely, such as a particular RNG mechanic isn't behaving quite how it could or should be.

Or make it how i do, simply not give any about it, life with it what you get.

That is a terrible mentality, if everyone shared that thought process nothing would ever get done anywhere. Ever.

Rivens i see as simple bonus to weapons especialy already OP ones like Tonkor and Simulor, why do they even have such?

That is why they have started making changes to them, so better weapons don't get as ridiculous rivens as the more out classed weapons; which is a process I strongly support btw. I got a riven that is actually a great roll for the synoid last month- and it's actually only about as good as a elemental mod but offers me more options without raising the weapons power too much. Rivens give people OPTIONS which is fantastic and I hope we see more of things like that.

Some get like me whould be happy about Endo for once and not another Riven, while others only get Endo and complain also.

People are complaining because something isn't very fair, they feel they are being denied the aforementioned options, and after a while it makes things feel more tedious and less rewarding than they need to be. That isn't a bad thing that people are voicing some concerns they have, as long as they are polite and to the point. Also I did not say Endo or anything is a bad reward by any means at all, just that changes should be considered to expand the versatility of the reward and provide those options. 

It just exists and it gives rewards, if you need them or not, your choice, but it is a reward you not payed for and is free, so no one should complain.

Again not a mentality i agree with what so ever. It exists as the ONLY MEANS of acquiring something they added to the game without buying with premium currency from other players (which thank god we can do even if it is overpriced). The last bit is one of the WORST things you can ever thing with a F2P game. I understand DE is not that bad but if you took that thought process into every F2P game they would take the playerbase for everything they had and then some easily. "A fool and his money are easily parted" you could say.

Its like buying sometihng from a store and soemthign is with it as a gift and you complain you wanted something else also.

What are you even trying to say with this? Are you trying to compare a feature added to the game as a "A gift". It's a mechanic, a new feature added to a beta game that is in constant development. 

 

1 hour ago, Marine027 said:

I am sorry if this sounded rude, but this are a opinion i sahred on this Thread, if oyu not like it, your own thing.

It's not just me, it's also called my opinions and suggestions on the matter. There are lots of people sharing them and if that offends you then you may not want to browse the feedback sections of the forums.

Just tell them then pelase how to improve droptables? Higher % chance? Even at 90% You could ahve the bad luck having 10% 10 times in a row.

I don't have a problem with "dropables", I don't even know where you got that from.

Things like a token system would break things also for people who see only the meta stuff and ignore the rest of the drops completely making Sorties for them over time worthless.

Where is this "Token system" thing you are talking about coming from? Meta stuff? What? You mean rivens? I LIKE all the things pretty much in the reward table except lenses, but the problem I have comes from the fact it will often give you like a dozen lenses in a row and you feel cheated. You shouldn't feel cheated when getting rewards, that is why they are called rewards. There is nothing wrong with gettign a lens either, but given the nature of the reward types and some things like rivens being the only source they are generated from, means that some type of control needs to be implemented, just total RNG is probably too loose.

With RNG as bad it is at times it simply is somethign that, if you agree or not, keeps people playing in the hope of getting something valuable.

Yes, which is fine, except for all the issues I previously mentioned. However still, lots of people have stopped playing because they don't feel they are going to get something valueble, they feel they are going to get something they find lame like another lens. The sortie is what was getting some of my friends on in the morning with me, after their such frustrations I am the only one still doing the sorties; and by correlation they tend to be less likely to log on later too.

Its like gambling, that is all, people doing it hoping they get soemthing out of it, regardless how bad or how often it failed

That would be fine if it was not the primary riven generator, the only place you can get certain rare items, etc. It's something people feel they HAVE to do in order to progress their account; it's the difference between going to the casino to blow off some excess cash for the off chance they get lucky and make more; compared to say if your job was putting in a bunch of effort but you might get paid in money, coupons, time off, or something else. You wouldn't want to work that job, especially if you were getting nothing but burger king coupons every pay period for a month. That is an exaggerated comparison of course, but it's to put the difference of it into perspective.

So please instead of making another 100 threads about this Sorite issue only complainign and tellign them to make it better, then enlighten peopel how it should improve without backdraws like people leaving by having all they want.

I made one. If other people are making that many threads about the issue aside from me though, that should indicate that people are not completely satisfied with how it currently works correct? Also I have been providing ideas for solutions to the problem, at least something to go off- in fact I looked up some of those threads and I saw tons of other people offering helpful ideas and alternatives (Though a lot of people just saying they hate it and nothing else too. Sure some do that, but you can't go around lumping everyone that comments on an issue together)

Updates are slow and need time, new content needs time, the game is RNG in every aspect.

Yes they are, it's a small time and that is acceptable I never said it wasn't. Just that those things be on the radar for the future.

As for the RNG part, all I can say is No it is not. Only certain aspects of this game are RNG.

Sorry if people leave beecause of that, they played the wrong game long enough.

People leave for various reasons, but making good impressions on new and old players alike is the general goal. People stop playing when they feel end game goals, which is what things like sorties generally are at this point, get stagnant or boring or unrewarding. 

DE does make soem thigns easeir atleast like increasing resource drops, highering some chances overall and yes Sortie do need a rework but then a reasonable rework who not just provides one side of players without making it useless over time.

Yes that is why I said I know they don't share that same ideology that you posted earlier. Though now you say they need a reasonable rework, which is what I feel is I am asking for. That is exactly what I would love to see happen.

I not try to attack you or offend you but guess waht, people get also tired of having to read the same kind of Threads each day becasue they cry about not getting what they wanted of the Sortie, i also not happy getting several Rivens you know, I need Endo and not jsut farm that like others because i find endless missions boring also.

Then why would you open with telling me not to post a thread with my own thoughts, try and include me in comments like "they cry about not getting what they wanted of the Sortie" and such of that nature, you are TRYING to antagonize.

As for what you said about getting rivens and endo, YES EXACTLY. THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING. You are not happy with getting them over and over, you would also like to see versatility without just giving people necessarily more or better things. That is all most people are asking for, you are not that far off from them so why would you try and insult them so much?

I not complain and accpet it till i can reasonable make an advice to the system and see if tehy change it or not, this whole thread is no real feedback so far and jsut complaining and demanding DE to make it better.

No it's not, I provided my thoughts as best I could; it's not like DE is looking at this right this minute so a elongated post like this usually isn't necessary. They take information that is polite, somewhat to the point with a little bit extra info, and then compare it over the masses. What one person in their community says means less usually than what the majority say. There was no demanding, no rude complaints, nothing of that nature. Please do not try and create a problem.

If you take this offensive, your own problem and you are free to report me or something if you see it that way.

Nothing reportable, but your attitude is sparking me to respond in kind. Nothing more.

Besides, you indirectly already attacked me by saying answerign to my stuff becasue you not like my opinion whoudl start something.

I said I would rather not because of how you opened and acted in your initial post, and that it would just escalate and I was right- as your next post was calling anyone who had issues or thoughts on the RNG and Sortie matters names and trying to stereotype them all for slander purposes.  

I life with your opinion and you have to life with with mine but, your answer to me was only basicly not agreeing, calling me out.

No I said I didn't agree with you, and would leave it at that unless you really pushed, and you did so here are my responses. Not agreeing with you is not "calling you out".

So there you have my answer. Overall sotp making complains and provide actual feedback and ideas.

I have been, you responded to my actual feedback with complaints, and don't see any hypocrisy in that? If you don't want to actually discuss the matter why are you here except to antagonize, you can either offer actual information to the topic or just ignore it, you chose to do neither.

If DE not listens, no one forces you to stay. If they do, we all are lucky i guess..

Again with the insults. I never said I would leave over something this petite, and I am not sure if they will listen or not all I can do is provide my thoughts and add to the collection of what other people are saying, in hopes that they will agree in some manner and approach things in their own way. Often the solution isn't what we want, but something they feel is more sensible for the games actual development direction- so just giving them an idea as to what we want is hardly that bad.

 

I am content to just disagree with you, but if you keep pushing I will push back. That just escalates things which is exactly what I said I would prefer to avoid; especially when your issue seems to be with something else not really relevant to what it is I have been providing feedback on.

The chances of us agreeing on anything is slim, and what it will spark us to say has little integral value to the issue.

 

To move back on topic finally:

 My actual feedback is simply that DE look into a new process for sorties and their rewards, that will make the reward table less repetitive especially of the things no one currently needs. That they consider making some alterations that allow for people to get assorted rewards especially if they are committing the most time and effort towards the sortie and their goals. 

So getting 10 lenses in a row becomes more like, a few lenses, a riven, an ayatan, just in general a more spread reward for the mission.

There are lots of ways DE could approach this, though how they go about it of course would be best left to them as any idea a player comes up with is usually going to be more biased in some way. Some ideas would be like as I said earlier, if you get 1 of the rewards in a bronze table, then next time even if you roll a bronze reward the chance for that particular reward is reduced so you get something of similar value but just not the same thing every time.

There are other less favorable ways I can imagine them going about this. Selectable rewards with certain limitations, rewards based on mission performance, different rewards for finishing missions like sabotage in different ways, etc etc all kinds of thoughts it's just I don't see any of them as being something the community would really get behind. If anything like that does interest someone I would go into details, but really I think just lowering repeat item chances based on how many times in a row you got them; is the easiest and safest method to go about it.

...and that's everything. Thanks.

Edited March 8, 2017 by Echorion