New Player which warframe best for sorties

[Godsmackup]

Hey all, I am just curious about which warframes should I be going for to do sorties I know I am a not ready for them but I might ads well ask

[DatDarkOne]

These are the differences other than speed.  This is the info for Prowl which isn't including the info on how the augment adds to it. 

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Ivara activates her cloak, rendering her invisible to enemies. While active, Ivara gains 10% / 20% / 30% / 40% bonus damage on headshots at the cost of reduced movement speed. Ivara also becomes capable of pickpocketing enemies: if standing beside an enemy with Prowl active, rays of light will shine on an enemy within 2 / 2 / 3 / 4 meters for 4 / 3.5 / 3 / 2.5 seconds before releasing a random item from that enemy's drop table.

• Headshot bonus is affected by Power Strength.
• The damage buff is a multiplicative bonus that is applied to Ivara's total weapon damage on headshots (e.g., with a maxed Intensify and a weapon that inflicts 500 total damage on headshots, a rank-3 Prowl will increase that headshot damage to 500 × (1 + 0.4 × 1.3) = 760).
• Steal time is affected by Power Duration.
• Steal range is affected by Power Range.
• The steal light must shine on the enemy for the duration of the steal time uninterrupted for the pickpocketing to succeed.
• Pickpocketing can only be done once per enemy, per Ivara and only on a single enemy at a time.
• Has a 100% chance to drop an item from an enemy if the power strength is 100% or above; reducing the power strength reduces the chance for an item to drop equal to that of the power strength (40% power strength has a 40% chance of dropping an item). If the attempt was unsuccessful, it will attempt to try again.
• Any Dagger weapon with the Covert Lethality mod equipped.

 

http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Prowl

[Fiftycentis]

you can pickpocket and bonus damage on headshots, with loki i don't have the movement debuff and i have stealth damage multipliers on melee attack

and i think there's no reason to compare the augments because they give different bonuses for different purpouses

Edited August 3, 2017 by Fiftycentis

[DatDarkOne]

Every frame that can go invisible gets Stealth Damage Multipliers.  Ash, Octavia, Ivara, Loki, and Naramon users.  I'm not sure about invis given by Kubrows or Shade sentinel.  All it it takes really to get the Stealth Melee Multipliers is to be invisible.  Heck I think even the Itzal archwing can do it also.  :D

[Fiftycentis]

2 minutes ago, DatDarkOne said:

Every frame that can go invisible gets Stealth Damage Multipliers.  Ash, Octavia, Ivara, Loki, and Naramon users.  I'm not sure about invis given by Kubrows or Shade sentinel.  All it it takes really to get the Stealth Melee Multipliers is to be invisible.  Heck I think even the Itzal archwing can do it also.  :D

oh, yeah, mb
well... i'm still going to use loki over ivara anyway and we are probably going too much OT with this confrontation
but i'm still waiting to solo a sortie hijack
oh, and how is ivara for sortie rescue? where you have to be fast to not have the target die? (but i think you can just rush while visible as with any other warframe)

[-Temp0-]

I think Ash currently costs less than Loki or Ivara so if you're short on cash you can consider him for spy.

On 26.07.2017 at 3:55 AM, Hawk_of_the_Reborn said:

That's what makes him trash, this has seriously got to stop please. His only good skill is 3, and I can't tell you enough I'm getting sick of having to rez every single Loki I run into when they think they're hot stuff 

Someone never heard of 4 with irradiating disarm.

All of his skills are useful unlike many other frames, invisibility at will is just unique. Ash can essentially do the same but his invisibility is noticeably shorter and he can't passively get back the energy he used to cast it in the long run without killing anyone. Ivara is the third best option for spy but she's crawling like a snail and requires way too much energy for her invis and can't use any energy restores while in prowl. She would have been better only if she moved with a normal speed in her invis and her invis wasn't a toggle. Her powers are great but they're too inconvenient to use especially in short missions like spy.

The "Lokis you had to rez" were playing in pubs. Which mostly indicates it wasn't spy and were players unable to do the mission solo. Most players that pick frames like these play alone because others slow them down and mess up.

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Trinity.  I had a hell of a time finding people who could carry me until I started using her.

You shouldn't expect anyone to carry you to begin with. And btw just because you have her in a group or someone asked for it doesn't mean you will flawlessly finish it or that they know what they're doing.

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I don't really see how old abilities are necessarily bad. 

Because they aren't.

All of his abilitties are top tier. Certain someone here is just a hater (and probably the one who never figured out how 1 and 3 can be used to traverse the map or save his butt if needed)

Edited August 3, 2017 by -Temp0-

[DatDarkOne]

20 minutes ago, Fiftycentis said:

oh, and how is ivara for sortie rescue? where you have to be fast to not have the target die? (but i think you can just rush while visible as with any other warframe)

Very good.  You don't have to go fast at all in sortie Rescue.  Cloak Arrow or even Sleep Arrow allow you to take all the time you want to finish and/or escort the hostage.  It's a misconception that you have to go fast in every mission.  No one does.  This even includes Capture missions because I found a way to sneak up and stealth kill capture targets.  All that one involves is being at a higher elevation when getting close to the target and not being seen or set off any alarms.  :D

There's only one mission type that requires you to go fast and that is AW Pursuit. 

True this discussion has been way off topic.  But I think that it's better overall for OP (or anyone else reading) to not have misconceptions due to slightly incorrect information. If players learn something that they didn't previously know, then it's all good.  :D

Edited August 3, 2017 by DatDarkOne

[Mudfam]

5 hours ago, Hawk_of_the_Reborn said:

Broke that for you.

Ignorance is bliss.

[Hawk_of_the_Reborn]

2 hours ago, Mudfam said:

Ignorance is bliss.

Sure is, when you use the most loud and noise making loadout possible during a spy or other more stealth based mission and end up failing because some people can't bare to go more than 2 seconds without exploding everything in sight

[Mudfam]

1 hour ago, Hawk_of_the_Reborn said:

Sure is, when you use the most loud and noise making loadout possible during a spy or other more stealth based mission and end up failing because some people can't bare to go more than 2 seconds without exploding everything in sight

Do you even play the game or just hang out on the forums making educated guesses about how it works? Noise has nothing to do whasoever with spy. It is trivial to do all spy vaults undetected with any frame once you know them, invisibility is just a crutch. If you also want to do them really fast and efficiently then nothing can compete with nova.

[Fiftycentis]

12 hours ago, -Temp0- said:

I think Ash currently costs less than Loki or Ivara so if you're short on cash you can consider him for spy.

you are talking of plat cost? (that atm i don't know nor i'm interested in it)
because loki is way more simple to farm than ash, so if you give a value to the time spent farming it loki i the cheapier of the 3

and talking of invisibility, octavia metronome is silent? because if the answer is yes, that's a better stealth (talking of the pure invisibility factor, not other bonuses) than both ivara/loki/ash(with augment), i mean, you get 30 sec easy, all the team can get the invisibility, you can recast it while active and it's cheap (also with passive bonus energy regen), but probably the most expensive of the four requiring also to do a quest before

[-Temp0-]

1 hour ago, Fiftycentis said:

you are talking of plat cost? (that atm i don't know nor i'm interested in it)

Yes. He's like ~80p.

[Fiftycentis]

12 minutes ago, -Temp0- said:

Yes. He's like ~80p.

i remember exca at 75, but i thought all the others were 100+, oh, maybe that's worth it, i mean, you have 20pl for the slot+20pl for the reactor so 40pl for the warframe itself

[(PSN)Radehx]

On 8/2/2017 at 11:13 AM, Fiftycentis said:

ivara is quite useless in defenses/interceptions, so no, she's not the master race

"They can't kill you if they can't see you"... well, they can't kill you if they can't see you and don't have a weapon too shoot with that can hit you at random (unless you are soloing the surv, in which case it's not a big difference if you are using ivara or loki)

Sleep and cloak arrows make both defense and interceptions super easy. Max range sleep arrows make defense missions trivial ;)

[(PSN)Radehx]

On 8/3/2017 at 8:24 AM, Fiftycentis said:

i want to mean that both are unseen, but probably i put the sentence in the same way i'll put in in italian, so it probably sound strange

neither loki can be seen by the stalker, untill he casts dispel, and the same is for ivara i think (or at least, it should work the same)

You can remain permanently in stealth mode with Ivara...nothing you do with her breaks stealth. And it's easier than with Loki because you get twice the amount of loot (and energy orbs) with her. 

 

[(PSN)Radehx]

3 hours ago, Fiftycentis said:

you are talking of plat cost? (that atm i don't know nor i'm interested in it)
because loki is way more simple to farm than ash, so if you give a value to the time spent farming it loki i the cheapier of the 3

and talking of invisibility, octavia metronome is silent? because if the answer is yes, that's a better stealth (talking of the pure invisibility factor, not other bonuses) than both ivara/loki/ash(with augment), i mean, you get 30 sec easy, all the team can get the invisibility, you can recast it while active and it's cheap (also with passive bonus energy regen), but probably the most expensive of the four requiring also to do a quest before

But...you'll be constantly teabagging, which is super annoying after a while (imo). You can provide your team with stealth too as Ivara. Most of my team mates get a stealth arrow to the face from me when I play as Ivara.

[Fiftycentis]

5 hours ago, (PS4)Radehx said:

But...you'll be constantly teabagging, which is super annoying after a while (imo). You can provide your team with stealth too as Ivara. Most of my team mates get a stealth arrow to the face from me when I play as Ivara.

not if they are always jumping around like frenzy monkeys

[Fiftycentis]

22 hours ago, -Temp0- said:

Yes. He's like ~80p.

just controlled, ash is 375 pl, loki is 175, probably you remembeer 80 from the week when the warframes were in sale

[-Temp0-]

1 hour ago, Fiftycentis said:

just controlled, ash is 375 pl, loki is 175, probably you remembeer 80 from the week when the warframes were in sale

Prime. 

[Fiftycentis]

18 minutes ago, -Temp0- said:

Prime. 

oh, the prime... meh, atm, but now that ash is vaulted idk if it's going to get close to loki 

[-Temp0-]

16 minutes ago, Fiftycentis said:

oh, the prime... meh, atm, but now that ash is vaulted idk if it's going to get close to loki 

Right now he costs less than 100. It will take awhile to reach other vaulted primes' or market cost, like another several months.

That's why I said if OP is short on cash atm Ash (prime) might be an ok option, especially for sorties (because he can do both missions ike spy and other types, even if not solo)