People not understand frame mechanics

[BetaNoire]

6 minutes ago, Mintaro said:

Here is an idea

Play what you love.

Eat. Play. Love.

[Sziklamester]

1 hour ago, BetaNoire said:

Eat. Play. Love.

Eat. Play. Love. Bath. Sleep. Repeat.

Edited August 22, 2017 by Sziklamester

[BetaNoire]

49 minutes ago, Sziklamester said:

Eat. Play. Love. Bath. Sleep. Repeat.

 

[Sziklamester]

2 hours ago, BetaNoire said:

 

Pretty much this.

[SeaUrchins]

11 hours ago, PrimeAlpaca said:

Then there's Limbo. Arguably best cc in the game for defense, survival, rescue missions. completely freezes enemies.

It is arguably only if you have no idea how flawed Limbo's stasis is. The only thing he can freeze is animation.

Here you can check out how bad Cataclysm and Stasis are against the Infested:

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And here you can check why Stasis is bad overall:

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Stasis as CC tool loses to Rhino's Stomp and Frost's Avalanche, because it does not consistently cause enemies to reset their set actions or cancel their aim.

[(PSN)Radehx]

18 hours ago, (PS4)abbacephas said:

Here's the problem: you're talking about Limbo, a frame that is used by players to troll other players. That you play him in a way that isn't meant to troll is lamentable. But you can't expect to enter a PuG with him and not expect to receive some kind of flack (whether for better or worse). 

The only workaround is to gather a group of likeminded individuals who understand how you're using Limbo and have fun. It is too much to expect a bunch of randoms to give you the benefit of the doubt.

I run a neg range Limbo and almost never get any hate tbh. The only time I hit my 4 is to regen energy a bit away from the rest, to protect something or if my team gets overwhelmed and needs a bit to get back on their feet. The rest of the time I simply use my 1 to banish stuff. 

The max duration/strength & min range setup works great. I do realise most just run with the standard max range setup no matter whether they join public games or not. 

I don't feel bad for accidentally banishing people though, all they have to do is roll once to get out. If they don't do that, it's on them...not me as a Limbo player. 

[-Temp0-]

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There is a lack of creativity in the utilization of frames. People just want either damage, damage buff, or cc and nothing else in their gameplay. 

There IS nothing else in warframe's gameplay. 

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Arguably best cc in the game for defense, survival, rescue missions. completely freezes enemies.

Sucks in all beside mobile defense, no one cares about rescue because no one actually escorts the lad since there's no need. Idk what you're planning to do with it in srvival where the main and only goal is to kill as many as fast as you can.

All understand how his powers work. No one has to go out of their way and melee everything and get rid of nullifiers for him, he highly restrickts other people's playstyle and options of engaging the enemy. There's nothing "complicated" about Limbo he's just inconvenient af to play with, especially since not all who play Limbo even know themselves what they're doing and why.

[(PSN)Radehx]

1 minute ago, -Temp0- said:

There IS nothing else in warframe's gameplay. 

Sucks in all beside mobile defense, no one cares about rescue because no one actually escorts the lad since there's no need. Idk what you're planning to do with it in srvival where the main and only goal is to kill as many as fast as you can.

All understand how his powers work. No one has to go out of their way and melee everything and get rid of nullifiers for him, he highly restrickts other people's playstyle and options of engaging the enemy. There's nothing "complicated" about Limbo he's just inconvenient af to play with, especially since not all who play Limbo even know themselves what they're doing and why.

Limbo is one of the highest dps frames. With Rift Torrent and the fact that procs won't stop until stasis stops, you can do sick damage. Rift Torrent gives you 1000-3000% damage bonuses depending on whether a Banshee's on your team or not. 

You can criticise Limbo for a lot...not doing enough damage isn't one of those things ;)

[-Temp0-]

Just now, (PS4)Radehx said:

Limbo is one of the highest dps frames. With Rift Torrent and the fact that procs won't stop until stasis stops, you can do sick damage. Rift Torrent gives you 1000-3000% damage bonuses depending on whether a Banshee's on your team or not. 

You can criticise Limbo for a lot...not doing enough damage isn't one of those things ;)

And it has literally nothing to do with anything I've said idk what you actually "quoted" here.

[(PSN)abbacephas]

16 minutes ago, (PS4)Radehx said:

I run a neg range Limbo and almost never get any hate tbh. The only time I hit my 4 is to regen energy a bit away from the rest, to protect something or if my team gets overwhelmed and needs a bit to get back on their feet. The rest of the time I simply use my 1 to banish stuff. 

The max duration/strength & min range setup works great. I do realise most just run with the standard max range setup no matter whether they join public games or not. 

I don't feel bad for accidentally banishing people though, all they have to do is roll once to get out. If they don't do that, it's on them...not me as a Limbo player. 

Nothing you've said provides any sort of counterpoint to anything I've said.

[(PSN)Radehx]

2 minutes ago, (PS4)abbacephas said:

Nothing you've said provides any sort of counterpoint to anything I've said.

 

Edited August 22, 2017 by (PS4)Radehx

[(PSN)Radehx]

3 minutes ago, -Temp0- said:

And it has literally nothing to do with anything I've said idk what you actually "quoted" here.

Sure it does...because you said this:

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Idk what you're planning to do with it in srvival where the main and only goal is to kill as many as fast as you can.

Implying Limbo can't do that is simply not true...he's VERY effective at it.

[(PSN)abbacephas]

Just now, (PS4)Radehx said:

Sure it does...because you said this:

Implying Limbo can't do that is simply not true...he's VERY effective at it.

I did not say that.

[(PSN)Radehx]

Just now, (PS4)abbacephas said:

I did not say that.

Sorry, was the chap above you. 

Either way, you say Limbo only works with a team set up for him...but that's not true if you run a neg range Limbo, he works great even in pub games.

[(PSN)abbacephas]

1 minute ago, (PS4)Radehx said:

 Either way, you say Limbo only works with a team set up for him...but that's not true if you run a neg range Limbo, he works great even in pub games.

That's not what I said either.

[(PSN)Radehx]

Just now, (PS4)abbacephas said:

That's not what I said either.

Your own words:

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The only workaround is to gather a group of likeminded individuals who understand how you're using Limbo and have fun. 

 

[(PSN)abbacephas]

Just now, (PS4)Radehx said:

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Context can be difficult, I know.

[(PSN)Radehx]

Just now, (PS4)abbacephas said:

Context can be difficult, I know.

I wouldn't know, you didn't provide any...

[-Temp0-]

9 minutes ago, (PS4)Radehx said:

Sure it does...because you said this:

Implying Limbo can't do that is simply not true...he's VERY effective at it.

As so can pretty much any frame, no one cares about his "damage buff" as long as nullifiers exist and he risks being constantly forced out of the cataclysm as he can't do st without freezing the whole level, unless you run naramon but again, you can pick literally anything instead of Limbo. Bringing sonar banshee will yield you even better results regardless and doesn't prevent others from attacking ai with primary and secondary if he's in a group. You can do surviaval with any frame, even with all the "buffs" no one will actually ask for limbo there unless their goal is to spam ash's 4 or some other ability because he resticts other players more than he helps them and on his own is still one of the worst frames to quickly dispatch of group of enemies. He's nowhere near being the "best" in that role. He's noty even the "best" at being afk near mobile defense terminal as often enemies can for whatever reason still hit you when cataclysm shrinks over time slowly.

Edited August 22, 2017 by -Temp0-

[(PSN)Radehx]

4 minutes ago, -Temp0- said:

As so can pretty much any frame, no one cares about his "damage buff" as long as nullifiers exist and he risks being constantly forced out of the cataclysm as he can't do st without freezing the whole level, unless you run naramon but again, you can pick literally anything instead of Limbo. Bringing sonar banshee will yield you even better results regardless and doesn't prevent others from attacking ai with primary and secondary if he's in a group. You can do surviaval with any frame, even with all the "buffs" no one will actually ask for limbo there unless their goal is to spam ash's 4 or some otehr ability because he resticts other players more tahn he helps them and on his own is still one of the worst frames to quickly dispatch of group of enemies. He's nowhere near being the "best" in that role. He's noty even the "best" at being afk near mobile defense terminal as often enemies can for whatever reason still hit you when cataclysm shrinks over time slowly.

You don't NEED his 4 as much if you learn to become good with his 1. Granted, most just spam 4 mindlessly, but once you become good at his 1, nullifiers aren't as much of a problem anymore. 

As for him not being the best, that's not the point...most people don't bring the "best" frame for any given situation. It's about FUN.

And of course nothing stops you form using your guns against stuff in stasis...the fact that you don't see stuff die instantly doesn't mean you can't headshot it. Hell, if Nidus uses his squid I'm also not given a choice, same with Equinox's maim...I'm not getting those kills either.

Edited August 22, 2017 by (PS4)Radehx

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You don't NEED his 4 as much if you learn to become good with his 1. Granted, most just spam 4 mindlessly, but once you become good at his 1, nullifiers aren't as much of a problem anymore. 

Still has nothing to do with quickly dispatching of groups of enemies in survival. No matter what skills you use for it, nowhere near being "da best" in what he does.

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As for him not being the best, that's not the point...most people don't bring the "best" frame for any given situation. It's about FUN.

That was OP's point. And most actually do bring the best and most efficient frames for the situation, especially if failure will hurt badly and not an option like raid runs and endless runs for trophies and stuff. Of course in lv like 30-50 mission you can run with hydroid without firing weapons once and still complete it, even tho for majority it won't be "fun".

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Hell, if Nidus uses his squid I'm also not given a choice, same with Equinox's maim...I'm not getting those kills either.

 

Nothing prevents you from shooting targets in the Nidus' larva. Nothing.

And equinox build up damage from you shooting the ai, she doesn't just spam 4 every second and the higher the level the longer she will hold from spamming it. You have more than enough time and opportunity to shoot. Not to mention as rare as people see it, she has night form which only helps the teammates and nothing else.

[(PSN)Ozymandias-13-]

I play Limbo regularly, and while he's an amazing frame his mechanics are highly complex and unfriendly for pug groups compared to other frames.

His powers themselves are amazing, but the entire interaction between rift mechanics and enemies and allies needs to be reworked (including stasis stopping ally projectiles) so Limbo players don't have to go out of their way to avoid being labeled a troll for using his powers exactly as they're designed.

In pugs I only use Cataclysm, with controlled usage of Stasis as necessary. I rarely use Banish or Rift Surge with the team nearby because it becomes too much like Saryn's Spore and spreads too much Chaos for the team to keep up with, even with coordination. Using those powers when defending points solo is amazing though. I used to love his Banish as single target, because I would use it to single out and assassinate high priority targets like Heavy Gunners and Eximus units on my terms. Now I can't do that without bringing the whole neighborhood to the party, pissing off my team.

Overall his rework was a major improvement, but until the rift mechanics, specifically, are reworked he will never be a welcome member of a team and be allowed full use of all of his abilities which is heartbreaking.

[(PSN)fullblast35]

the issue isn't even about a specific frame, players nowadays just want a tank to nuke things and not work for the kill.  They better get used to it because since octavia, Ability synergy has become a thing.

[Heatnix.]

Well... Warframe is not a game for roles. There's no teamwork or need for actual team build up. Trinity is as far as the chain goes for this and everything else is just nuke and call it a day.

If a Warframe can't nuke, people hate it. That simple. If they try to make a Frame that does something else and tries to support-- everyone else clean the room in seconds before this frame can do something to set up or support. You're asking for roles and specializations in a game where killing as fast as possible is what people care about for faster rewards. You try to set up your Octavia's Mallet? Oh look! Ember just cleaned the room. Nidus cleaned the next room. Excalibur just Right Clicked the next room.

At the same time, as stated above, gamers these days don't want roles. They all want to nuke. Back in the old MMO days of yore, parties had roles and specific targets for each one. We would stick to our role and actually enjoy it. I remember a tank that was superb are it. No DD could ever steal his aggro. The Tank didn't kill much, but he protected the entire party by soaking in all the damage like a champ! It was the DD's jobs to do the damage. NOW, however, kids want to tank AND do damage AND heal AND support. Hell, even Mass Effect 3 multiplayer had designated roles for a team of 4. But the game was slower and didn't allow a character to nuke. Once one nukes then everyone wants to nuke.

You want to add rules, roles and classes as if this was Fire Emblem but it's closer to Sonic The Hedgehog. Just go fast AF and screw everyone else. It is the least cooperative cooperative game out there =p

Edited August 27, 2017 by Heatnix.